Enough is Enough

[Sol23]

Should Brendan Gale be getting off so lightly?
This happened under his watch.
Not a rhetorical question.

Yep he has flown under the radar and should be feeling the heat

 

[tigs2010]

On the contrary, our top 5 players with the exception of Martin and maybe Maric have been totally underperforming. Certainly not leading from the front like a Watson, Pendlebury, Ablett. That's what we're really missing IMO

Agreed. 2 of them shouldn't play though. Been obvious for weeks. If they miss any of pre-season the club should pack it in.

 

[Rack Watts]

On the contrary, our top 5 players with the exception of Martin and maybe Maric have been totally underperforming. Certainly not leading from the front like a Watson, Pendlebury, Ablett. That's what we're really missing IMO

Cotchin has that potential, is he injured??

 

[Nostradumbass]

Cotchin was apparently injured last year when his performances dropped. He's gone further backwards this year and people are starting to say he's injured again. If he really is injured then why the **** are they playing him?

 

[Tigerland]

A few have mentioned the post half-time collapse and that it is the player fault.

I agree to a certain extent but when you hear Dimma's press conference I hear a man that has no answers.
He again looked like he was about to burst into tears.

Why didn't he say "The performance after half time was completely unacceptable, I won't stand for that. I won't have players giving that sort of effort while they wear this jumper. Players that don't give 100% simply won't be playing unless they perform to the standards that I, the club and the supporters expect".

The biggest problem is that our coach does accept low standards. How do I know this? Well he keeps selecting players that don't uphold standards.

He's soft and he should go now.
I know that he won't, but when we fail again in 12 months and be out of finals contention half way through the season in 2015, then he will need to be shown the door. And when that happens Peggy O'neal and Gale should follow him for their complete incompetence and failure to make the crucial hard decisions when they needed to be made.

Peggy O'Neal is the quietest President in the AFL. She portrays terrible leadership qualities.

Membership numbers next year are going to plummet big time, people have had enough.

 

[Hate]

Cotchin has been carrying an ankle injury since the start of the season. You must be living under a rock if you weren't aware of it. A few weeks back he said something about setting an example hence why he played that week.

It's hilarious though. A bloke who is injured does more than the other flogs on the field, besides Dusty who has been our only contributor week in, week out.

Wont be surprised if he's a late out this week. Needs to get it right. No benefit him being in the side, get another rookie in or something now.

 

[Taylor]

Vlastuin, Conca, McDonough, Miles, Vickery, Lennon etc... They're no more talented than us. Just conditioned so, so much better. Missing Burgess has been the death knell for our season.

Which comparison are you drawing there?
Harlett, Gray, Cornes, Wines and Westoff are level above all those listed on exposed form with the possible exception of Vlastuin.

Harlett would be your best rebounding defender if Deledio is in the middle, Gray would be your best small forward, Westoff would take Vickery's spot and he'd never see another game.

 

[smasha]

Whose grand final is it this week?

LOL so many Norf fans at the ground last night more than any other game.
Premiers 2014 Norf.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

I'd like to see the club do a big internal review at season's end by some independent folks from outside the club to see where we stack up in terms of fitness, leadership, professionalism etc. This season, we just have gone so far backwards at such an alarming rate that I'm worried might undo all the progress made in the first few years under Hardwick.

 

[dean33]

Usually when we're playing badly you have a rough idea of what's going on and what needs to happen.

I have no ******* idea, everyone has a different opinion on what it is but the truth is, none of you know, and neither does Dimma.

I feel sorry for Dimma, even if he is the problem, the thoughts constantly going through his head must be driving him up the wall. He means well

he said yesterday in the presser he knew what the problem was... not sure if they actually do though.

I just think its our mental weakness, we are the most fragile team in the comp. As I was watching the first half and the ferocious attack on the footy it actually upset me to think why did they just decide yesterday to play that way and I knew that it was bluff and they couldn't keep it up. As soon as other teams attack us they go into their shells through mental fragility and lack of leadership.

 

[tigs2010]

Cotchin has that potential, is he injured??

Has been playing with an injured ankle.

 

[Mr Magic]

Vlastuin, Conca, McDonough, Miles, Vickery, Lennon etc... They're no more talented than us. Just conditioned so, so much better. Missing Burgess has been the death knell for our season.

WOW our players are not near that group yet. Vlas and Lennon might get there and Conca improve Cornes Westhoff, Gray and Hartlett are way ahead atm

 

[dean33]

Could go either way. He's a proud man. I know he believes he has lost the players. Last weeks result shook him, but validated what he's known for the last 6 weeks. I don't think tonight's performance would have done anything to change that.

this whole lost the players thing.. its a cop out for the players.

When do they decide they have lost faith in the coach?
When they don't hit a contest hard?
When they skirt the issue and take the easy option?
When they don't run hard enough to get to the next contest?
When they decide to be lazy and not follow their opponent up the ground?
Did he lose the players in the first half when they blew north out of the water or just the 2nd half when they were smashed?

Its time the blame lay at the feet of the players and the leadership group who are lazy and unaccountable.

 

[Mr Magic]

Which comparison are you drawing there?
Harlett, Gray, Cornes, Wines and Westoff are level above all those listed on exposed form with the possible exception of Vlastuin.

Harlett would be your best rebounding defender if Deledio is in the middle, Gray would be your best small forward, Westoff would take Vickery's spot and he'd never see another game.

Can't include Lids. He was matched with Polec earlier in posts

 

[dean33]

Won't have rocks when I don't sign up after 30 years membership + 6 others I pay for, Wake up.

why stop there, why don't you hire a truck full of manure and do your thing? The days of this club being railroaded into making decisions by dimwit supporters and members is hopefully long gone.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Wow, people actually hoping for the RFC to continue down the same path of the last 32 years. It's this attitude from supporters and somewhat from players and boards who are responsible for the last 32 years. You can't fix something with knee-jerk reactions. Want to know how I know? The last 32 years. The only thing we haven't tried in that time - stability and hard work.

To keep following the same path is madness. Go through history since the last premiership. How many coaches? How many rebuilds? How many finals appearances? It doesn't work people..... it just doesn't work. The players (the senior ones) have learned that they are excused for poor performances because the coach gets the flick and they get a second/third chance.

Hard work, stability, make the players accountable. If they don't want to play for coach/jumper.... piss em off. Sick of the selfish attitude from our players (over 32 years). They are the only ones actually capable of turning this around. DH could do with more support and fresh ideas around him and the a different fitness regime might help but ultimately the players are the ones that have to do the work. If they don't or can't, the piss em off, every single one of them that isn't prepared to.

So to sum up for all of the knee-jerk fans out there. For 32 years we have sacked coaches and absolved players. This has resulted in 3 finals campaigns, 7 finals, 3 finals wins and 4 losses. It doesn't work. The only thing we haven't tried is hard work and the players being accountable.

5 years for a coach is plenty, thats not knee jerk.

Who was the last Premiership coach that didnt at least make a Prelim in his first 5 years, can you even name one from the last 30 years? It just doesn't happen, you either have it or you don't. 5 years is ample time to find out if you have it

 

[Tigerbob]

why stop there, why don't you hire a truck full of manure and do your thing? The days of this club being railroaded into making decisions by dimwit supporters and members is hopefully long gone.

Us dimwit supporters have kept this club going through the most incompetent people at the club for the past three decades.

How ****ing dare you have a go at our supporters who have given so much and been given ****ing nothing.

You ****ing apologist. Go suck up to the club and think you will get something from them. This club wouldn't have survived without us dimwits.

They have just pissed away more of my money and then asked for more.

 

[flaps]

I heard on the radio that the attendance was low, and there werent many Richmond fans at the game. I am kinda of glad the fans stayed away, why should we go if the players aren't going to bother and play 4 quarters of football.

Well we don't perform in front of big crowds these days. Perhaps we were all trying our best to create a vacant ground so they can feel as unpressured as training.

 

[jesterx]

I'd like to see the club do a big internal review at season's end by some independent folks from outside the club to see where we stack up in terms of fitness, leadership, professionalism etc. This season, we just have gone so far backwards at such an alarming rate that I'm worried might undo all the progress made in the first few years under Hardwick.

This is done in the corporate world all the time and since the clubs are run like businesses these days there shouldn't be much reason why we couldn't do the same. Get in your standard consulting people like BCG or KordaMentha etc. and get them to assess the club, establish measurable, definable KPIs for all employees of the club and tweaks to the management structure (if required) for both footy dept and general management.

The off field stuff seems to be going pretty well so focus on the footy dept. I think it's fairly clear even to casual observers that there doesn't seem to be much of a culture of accountability if people are left to their own devices so a framework needs to be established that can clearly identify the problem areas and then strategies to fix those problems (if that means that everyone could possibly be dropped to the twos then so be it). This is supposed to be the coaches job but instead of firing him, why not establish a system that can help him clearly assess where the team is at and what's going wrong. dimmas dissection is great when you've had 3 days to look at replays, what about in real time?


The capitulation after half time was not fun to watch. We just got slaughtered in every centre clearance and most stoppages. I was expecting North to make a comeback and for us to maybe lose but to give away a 35 point lead to then lose by 30 something points ... Richmond showing again that they can disappoint you in ways you can't imagine.

 

[Tiger_man322]

On the contrary, our top 5 players with the exception of Martin and maybe Maric have been totally underperforming. Certainly not leading from the front like a Watson, Pendlebury, Ablett. That's what we're really missing IMO

If the whole team is playing shithouse, it's hard to lead from the front. Especially if you have no support and you are always tagged heavily. It's no excuse to the way we are playing, but Cotch, Martin, Maric, Vlas and Conca have been playing well. The rest need to lift and you will see the quality of those 5 lift as well. As the famous quote goes, "Your only as strong as your weakest link"

It's quite evident we have a lot of them.

 

[Bird Man]

Its acatually depressing to see Port on top when we had "better Talent" and more off it to go further in the previous years and look at us now... really shows what it is like to have a quality coach and admin ....

 

[PHX]

Should Brendan Gale be getting off so lightly?
This happened under his watch.
Not a rhetorical question.

Why should he be getting baked? We continue to take leaps and bounds where his direct responsibility lies.

Just because he's an ex-football player doesn't mean he's tangibly responsible for match day performances even though it's something he should clearly be overlooking.

For me there is one person who is falling completely out of the radar whose direct responsibility the onfield performance actually is.

Dan Richardson, General Manager of Football. He's ****ing AWOL.

He should be sat right beside Dimma and Burge, and questioned ahead of Hartley to answer questions of this failure. This is his direct responsibility.

This is a man who was awarded a spot with no formal process, no such experience in a football role actually being a former player agent, and the son of Barry Richardson. Smells like a Nepotism based appointment.

 

[thecotch]

Lets start with the facts, North Melbourne home game, game was at etihad, 7:10 kick off on a Sunday night.. Still got over 30,000.. not bad considering..

Don't kid yourself. That was the smallest Richmond cheersquad we've seen since the mid 90's. If we were up and about it would have been full regardless of who's home game it was.

 

[SdKfz 181]

Don't kid yourself. That was the smallest Richmond cheersquad we've seen since the mid 90's. If we were up and about it would have been full regardless of who's home game it was.

means jack shit to be honest, we are notorious for staying away from Etihad.. Lets see what the crowd numbers are for the next two MCG home games, then get back to me..

 

[Dags21]

Most disappointing part of last nights game is th fact that we had been changing our game plan to a high possession style to keep control of big leads... Plenty to like in th first half, worse than poor in th second..