Enough is enough

[Navy Cream]

Did anyone catch Gary Lyon on MMM yesterday? Absolutely scathing but worth listening to if it's available.

Do tell Brucey? Anyone have a link?

 

[Keyza]

Hi Guys, I'm not here to Troll.

I remember in 1990's travelling from the country (2+ hours each way) to see 15 losses in a row when we were rubbish.

I never gave up and eventually we come good and I've seen so many good games and enjoyed the rise ever since.

It's tough, but stick fat and eventually it will come good....I gave the same advice to Port Adelaide fans 4 years ago on BF after we beat them by 120+ points in 2011....things can turn quick.

Cheers.
I was lucky enough to grow up in an era of a successful Carlton. It sucks right now but I will continue to go each week, I may not enjoy though. I am going up to Sydney in a few weeks time to watch us probably get smashed by the Swans.
It is so frustrating now but watching Port and the Bulldogs rise gives us hope.
It breaks your heart watching such insipid performances, just as it breaks your heart watching ex Carlton players playing good foot at other clubs.
I don't know what the answer is, our poor recruiting and trading was something that blind Freddie could see happening. I cant understand how the people in charge at the club couldnt.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Lyon put the blame on just about everybody on and off the field. More or less potted everything Carlton over the last ten years; the board, admin, recruting, factions, leadership, fitness... Pretty savage on some players, bun boy in particular.

 

[chunkylover53]

You know what I've had 'enough' of? People acting superior to others because they don't see football as such a high priority. If it's going to be a shit game that the players put barely any effort into why should they reserve a weekend day to sit through it? Maybe they want to do things that will actually make them happy instead.

Pfft. You fairweather, soft supporter.

You're as bad as the players!

 

[chunkylover53]

Obviously it's just a game and there are more important things in life .

But you don't think that it's a tad hypocritical to bag players for not standing up when it's hard, then not going to games if they think we will lose?


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They're ****ing paid to stand up when it matters! It's their occupation! FFS there is a huge difference.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Pfft. You fairweather, soft supporter.

You're as bad as the players!

Uh, I go every week. I am just trying to show someone else's perspective. But thanks for proving my point.
You are not superior to any other Carlton supporter, not matter how much you'd like to think you are.

Unless, of course, you're being sarcastic...in which case an emoticon would help me out here!

 

[chunkylover53]

Uh, I go every week. I am just trying to show someone else's perspective. But thanks for proving my point.
You are not superior to any other Carlton supporter, not matter how much you'd like to think you are.

Unless, of course, you're being sarcastic...in which case an emoticon would help me out here!

It was a pisstake .

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

It was a pisstake .

There ya go! Winky face!

 

[HBF]

8. Forget about the club and save myself $800 a year. They really don't need our money when billionaires are running the club. Atleast I don't have to see Figjam face aka Gibbs every week.

Well said CJ.
Winding back my membership next year. Have reserved seats at Etihad and the G but rarely sit in them.

 

[Quazza]

I can't handle the term "stick fat" any more

 

[Dramoth]

Ahmed Fahour is on the board. He wanted to be president but apparently his authoritarian style lost him support from the rest of the board. Trainor left after he lost out to LoGiudice.

He left before he was pushed!

 

[Keyza]

You have to wonder if the AFL are concerned about Carlton at the moment.
They helped out Melbourne by paying their coach, threw millions of dollars at them and gave them an over the top compensation pick for losing Frawley.
I wonder if they will do the same for us?

 

[bluekidjoe]

Trigg and LoGiudice aren't the problem as they've only just started. Trigg has stated that he's bewildered at some of the processes in place when he arrived.

What I see is that the problem is that at the moment Pres, CEO, Coach and Players aren't all breathing the same message.

Pres and CEO are together. Coach has been in the game so long that he wants to do it his way and his way is failing. The players want Mick's way to work and do their best but it isn't to their strengths and they have an inherent belief they'll fail which is carried from 02-07.

So:
When you have a new CEO and new Pres trying to implement culture change,
a coach who wants to do it his same old way regardless of those above (Pres, CEO) and below (players) him,
and senior players (role models) who are expecting to fail and thus don't bleed...

.... then you get a club with no ****ing idea which way is up, and a perpetual failure, finger-pointing, and dumbfoundedness.

If we really want this to work there are a couple of options:

1) Sign Mick up tomorrow, commit to his methods and adopt his belief systems. This will allow players to know that their commitment to the man isn't in vain, that CEO and Pres have belief in their future and it would be a show of solidarity that could improve psychology.

2) Sack Malthouse and employ an untried coach e.g. Bolton, Tudor etc... but you can't stop there. We must trade Gibbs, Murphy and Walker, ask Carrazzo to retire, Judd will retire anyway. Remove the sick mentality of failure and playing half-arsed! And then with all the picks, let SOS have a field-day in reconstructing a new list in the same manner he built GWS. Make Cripps and Docherty co-captains. And move forward commencing a completely new era, knowing we'll be shit for a while, but at least having a message, direction.

I'd love if it was as easy as option 1, but I think option 2 is needed...

 

[[ToTTi]]

Hire a forensic investigator to find the root cause of this sick culture that has engulfed the club.

This, in my opinion is the biggest problem.

It's toxic.

 

[HBF]

Lyon put the blame on just about everybody on and off the field. More or less potted everything Carlton over the last ten years; the board, admin, recruting, factions, leadership, fitness... Pretty savage on some players, bun boy in particular.

So he should have.
The club need to have a review from top to bottom at the end of the year.
No position at the club should be safe.

 

[passmark]

So he should have.
The club need to have a review from top to bottom at the end of the year.
No position at the club should be safe.

I bet all positions are looked ..........below the level of the board.

The board is not and will never be accountable.

MLG is part of the problem. The board is a disgrace.

 

[HBF]

I bet all positions are looked ..........below the level of the board.

The board is not and will never be accountable.

MLG is part of the problem. The board is a disgrace.

MLG is tied to Mathiesons money, so he's essentially just a puppet.
Got to get someone in there who is not associated with him

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

He left before he was pushed!

Oh okay. Still there on our website. Guess that was the worst source to look at.

 

[jezzajay]

considering i live in far nth qld i think it helps me deal with our position at present easier than most of you on here...if i were living in the cauldron of melbourne (or back in SA were I'm from) it would no doubt get to me more.. its easy for me to just ignore the media up here. dont get me wrong there are plenty of afl supporters here but its not a big topic around the office like it would be down south - i dont find myself having to defend my club like im sure you guys do.
i will continue to support this club that ive loved for close to 40 years....it has still brought me more joy then pain.
yes we live for the moment...this moment just isnt ours.
this wont be for ever...

if i were to jump off the blues...i would think of myself as a bit of a light weight/fickle supporter in the face of say bulldog, melbourne or better yet richmond fans who have been through more difficult times than us...which i aint!

what does help me through the season is that i pin point another team (a team that excites me and that isnt an essendon, collingwood or richmond) that i would like to see win the flag and follow their progress - this year its pt adelaide as i have strong ties to the club with a lot of family/friends that follow them and i enjoy watching them. i wont become a member or buy merch or anything of theres...just gives me an interest in the game i love without dwelling to hard on were my side is at....if that makes sense!

GO BLUES!

 

[Dramoth]

Lyon put the blame on just about everybody on and off the field. More or less potted everything Carlton over the last ten years; the board, admin, recruting, factions, leadership, fitness... Pretty savage on some players, bun boy in particular.

Like Lyon did anything good for the club that he purports to love and respect. He almost destroyed them. He is the exact opposite of the type of powerbroker that we have at the club. He has influence because he is a club champion but has no business sense at all! His massive experience at coaching was 4 seasons as the coach of the international rules squad... for 4 games... 2 massive losses and 2 narrow wins.

He is nothing more than a media pundit with a massive Carlton hate on. I wouldnt trust him to coach an under 10's side successfully!

 

[Ahuitzotl]

I can't offer any solutions - I'll leave that up to those with more expertise - but maybe I can provide some perspective.

Dad grew up in the 21-year 1947-1968 drought. Being a Blues supporter at school was pretty rough for him - Carlton was always near the bottom and the incessant Collingwood "we've won the most flags" BS drove him mad (despite them winning some of those under the ridiculous "right of challenge" rule). Anyway, '68 rolled around eventually, and it was happier days for him. He married a Bulldogs lady and I was born. Now, my house was split down the middle growing up between Blues supporters (Dad, my brother and I), and Bulldogs fans (Mum and my two sisters). I spent Saturday afternoons at either Princes Park or the Western Oval. The comparison between the success we enjoyed and that experienced by my Mum cannot be starker. I've lived the bleakness of 'Doggies seasons as I lived the ecstasy of Blues years. I was at the '99 prelim and it was the best footy experience I've ever had. I was also at the '97 prelim and unashamedly bawled my eyes out.

We are the most successful club in Aussie Rules history. Those who support this club are extremely fortunate. I'm an archaeologist, so I guess I'm trained to take the long view. This is a shit period. No doubt. The players are flat, we're not sure about the game plan, and the administration looks a bit too self indulgent (but, then again, when hasn't it?). But I will take this period over a lifetime of disappointment any day of the week. I hope it ends soon, but I'm going along for the ride. I'm 45 years a Blues man, and I'm not about to jump off now. My advice is to take heart and barrack in the tough times so when the good times roll around again, as they will, they will be even sweeter. Carna Blues!!

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Like Lyon did anything good...

He is nothing more than a media pundit with a massive Carlton hate on...

Problem is he is not alone. And, if we cut MM loose, get ready for the mother of all media bashings.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

Hey K,

Agree with most of what you say here, but if I choose not to go watch a team put up a lack lustre performance, that's my choice. I will always remain a member. To call people gutless for making up there own mind is ridiculous. Definition of insanity for me is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
I choose to be happy, at the moment Carlton isn't doing that for me. So I'll spend my time making myself happy.....and I don't appreciate being labeled gutless for doing it.

Remember, we are ALL hurting.

Yes, and leaving the game early is not gutless, it's the traditional way to show disdain for a manifestly substandard performance, and also a way to maintain some sort of dignity in the face of a shellacking.
When I feel the fury building up at a game and I'm at risk of completely losing my shit and my dignity, the best thing to do is get out of there and at least have an easier departure ahead of the mob.

 

[Monkey King]

Never give up supporting this club. It was hard watching what the players served up on Friday night. It's even harder after the last decade plus of watching the club struggle. It's been hard watching draft picks like Lucas get delisted while his obvious alternate wins All Australian selection in a position we're crying to fill with talent. But we supporters should show the same metal we want from the players. Never give up. Never walk away.

Something is wrong at the club and we need a really smart cookie to take charge and determine what that is exactly and how to remedy it. If that comes with a dismantling of the board, a new prez, new coach, new captain, offloading heaps of players, I'm up for it. I'm up for whatever it takes to get this club back to the top and achieve consistent success. And I'll still be here when it happens ... and I'll still be here if doesn't.

 

[Mr.X]

I wonder what's going to change.

What is this club going to do differently to turn this around?

At the moment, Carlton is a laughing stock. Who is taking Carlton seriously these days?

The clubs reputation is in tatters