ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!

[andy_20]

I might also add that 1.5 years ago we smashed both teams mentioned above pretty comprehensively.

So where is the progress?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

The change that i am most anticipating is a coach who is prepared to make big decisions; namely a very tall, mentally silent player, who really should be dropped.

This week will tell if the club is prepared to accept that some high income players are seriously overrated.
Ross did it at Saint Kilda and I hope he does it here.

 

[andy_20]

There's a pretty wide spectrum between acceptable and meltdown worthy.

It wasn't brought on because of just one game, results like this have been happening for years and everytime they happen theres always a new excuse.

 

[apuchar]

Lyon was correct when he said we were destroyed in the midfield. Clearances 24 to 48 despite winning double the hit outs. I mean there is the problem in black and white.

It would be the most pertinent to apply efforts towards examining the problem closely and arriving at a potential solution or solutions.

This has been a problem for some years now and there has been absolutely no progress made in this area. Therefore either nothing at all has been done to address this situation (incompetence) or whoever has been charged with fixing it has failed dismally(still incompetence).

I think most coaches believe that they can turn players around, when they first come to a club. What Ross does now, when he realises he is wasting his time with some of them is the important thing. Bit early to call it incompetence. He inherited these players and it is now up to him to decide what he wants to do with them.

 

[estibador]

It wasn't brought on because of just one game, results like this have been happening for years and everytime they happen theres always a new excuse.

The board headhunted Lyon to try fix those culture problems, let's give him some time to do the job before we start slashing our wrists.

The stuff that's been happening for years isn't on his head.

 

[the doc]

Lyon was correct when he said we were destroyed in the midfield. Clearances 24 to 48 despite winning double the hit outs. I mean there is the problem in black and white.

It would be the most pertinent to apply efforts towards examining the problem closely and arriving at a potential solution or solutions.

This has been a problem for some years now and there has been absolutely no progress made in this area. Therefore either nothing at all has been done to address this situation (incompetence) or whoever has been charged with fixing it has failed dismally(still incompetence).

We have drafted a fair few mids in the last 3 yrs to the howling cries for KPP's. I think the lack of mids has well and truely been recognised.

 

[raffrox]

Suck it up, you only get to choose your team when your young and only if your Dad lets you. Face it, your stuck with the Dockers so stop bitching internally and start hating externally, it's Derby week.

This is hardly the low point since 95.

andy_20 should get this as a tattoo (except for the bit about derby week because that wouldn't make sense every week).

 

[Fred Ziffel]

The board headhunted Lyon to try fix those culture problems, let's give him some time to do the job before we start slashing our wrists.

The stuff that's been happening for years isn't on his head.

That's true; I hope he takes one week to make major changes.

 

[paul8241]

WTF does this even mean? Change what rules? What like We dont have to travel or something? Good teams win anywhere, anytime, anyone.

I don't know, massive draft consessions, salary cap consessions, paying people as ambassadors of the afl. Afl is a buiness, they want to expand, and it isn't going to expand in WA, Victoria or SA. They will patch up the problems as they arise, ie Port Adelaide, but success here is not going to help them with the bigger picture.

Freo have, until 2010, drafted and traded poorly and that is our own fault. But we'll never see any concession or assistance here from the AFL unless they want a 3rd WA team, or we're on the canvass like port were.

 

[ritz]

I don't know, massive draft consessions, salary cap consessions, paying people as ambassadors of the afl. Afl is a buiness, they want to expand, and it isn't going to expand in WA, Victoria or SA. They will patch up the problems as they arise, ie Port Adelaide, but success here is not going to help them with the bigger picture.

Freo have, until 2010, drafted and traded poorly and that is our own fault. But we'll never see any concession or assistance here from the AFL unless they want a 3rd WA team, or we're on the canvass like port were.

What?!
Have a look at our 2008 draft.
Then in 2009 fyfe was a bad second round pick? Silvagni and Barlow not good rookie pick ups?
I see where you're coming from but our drafting has been fine since 2008

 

[Outshined]

Anyone who thought Lyon was going to come in and magically turn this collection of head-cases into a premiership threat within 8 weeks is seriously delusional. We'll win the games we should win and some we shouldn't. I doubt we'll lose many that we should win, which is a definite improvement on the last 17 years.

Excellent point (as has been made by a few more level-headed others).

I can't believe anyone would seriously expect Lyon to waltz in and turn around a culture in two months, that as has been pointed out, has been mediocre at best for the better part of two decades.

At least give him a year before melting down into histrionics.

In the mean time, if a scape goat is required, look no further than Bond and his list management model.

 

[paul8241]

What?!
Have a look at our 2008 draft.
Then in 2009 fyfe was a bad second round pick? Silvagni and Barlow not good rookie pick ups?
I see where you're coming from but our drafting has been fine since 2008

Ok, thanks, I mixed up my years, but yes, from the draft with Barlow, SNOS and Co.

Correction 2008, with hill balas and Clarke, hard to believe it was that long ago that we picked those guys up.

 

[greatgatsby]

Excellent point (as has been made by a few more level-headed others).

I can't believe anyone would seriously expect Lyon to waltz in and turn around a culture in two months, that as has been pointed out, has been mediocre at best for the better part of two decades.

At least give him a year before melting down into histrionics.

In the mean time, if a scape goat is required, look no further than Bond and his list management model.

Yes, but until R8 I was hoping he was a miracle worker Now we're back to reality it's a three year plan . Do need a strong body or two forward though.

 

[Nothing]

It took 16 years to build that culture, it's not going to change in 8 rounds.

Seriously, we brought (or bought) in a coach with a 63% winning percentage, got a stoppages coach that is highly respect and um, Suma (but he is comes from a team with a winning culture!)

What would you like done?

Interstingly ,the same percentage he has this year (though judging by some reactions you'd think we were winless). Maybe 63% wins is the best Lyon can muster. Maybe we should go back to our last coach, I'm sure he was better than that.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Interstingly ,the same percentage he has this year (though judging by some reactions you'd think we were winless). Maybe 63% wins is the best Lyon can muster. Maybe we should go back to our last coach, I'm sure he was better than that.

Don't bet on it. Would you believe 40 % ?

 

[caterina]

So a 60 point loss to Flag Fancies who were playing average footy themselves and below us on the ladder is acceptable is it?

So I guess you were over the moon after our narrow loss to the other Flag Fancies 3 weeks ago?

No, he was just trying to put it into perspective
We lost by 10 goals to the flag favourites coming off a 6 day break playing away on some potato field that we play on every second year. It was a game most people had pencilled in long ago as a probable loss. I feel your hurt, but it does seem a bit extreme to carry on as though we are a bunch of no hopers. It is after all less than 12 months ago that we lost to Melbourne by 89 points.
We will win this week.

 

[Nothing]

Really? That low. Maybe the coach before that, surely he was better than 63%. Who was that?

 

[leeloo]

Really? That low. Maybe the coach before that, surely he was better than 63%. Who was that?

Chris Connolly 52%, Damien Drum 23%

But to put it in perspective, Clarkson 54%, Ratten 50%. I chose those two as they have coached 'around' the same amount of games as Lyon.

 

[AFaiL]

But we don't run in waves at all. All we do is flood the backline and try to cause a turnover. Once we get back possession our players are that knackered the only option up the ground is Pavlich who is always outnumbered 3 - 1. That's why I said our counter-punch style isn't working

Replace Pavlich with Riewoldt...

It's a drastic change of a game plan. Took Lyon a full year to get the players on board.

Give it time - it's the right plan to win finals. But I agree, it's frustrating when it doesnt work. But Lyon will never change it no matter what.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I think the fact that we changed coaches didn't change the fact that our list is pretty bad in 2 areas.

1- Forward Line. We missed out on Mitch Clark abd Jack Anthony has been a disaster.

Pav is a centre half-forward only and Kepler is not a reliable FF.

2- Our midfield. We have ball getters in Barlow and Mundy, but we lack ball carrying players with pace that can break a tackle with a long penetrating kick.

For those saying that we need time to adjust to a new coach with a new game plan, I don't see Adelaide having any problems doing that.

Unfortunately, we need to ask significant questions of lloyd and bond who i think have overall... failed at the job of building a list... anyone can select a half decent player in the first round of the draft.... and to a degree i think selecting mature age rookies is less of a task as well, as our recruiting staff can watch many wafl, sanfl and vfl games to get an idea of how these physically mature players go about it.... but where we seem to fail, and have always seemed to fail, is with our draft picks from the second round onwards... we have had the odd success like fyfe or balla, but in general, we always seem to select duds... every other club seems to be able to pick late gems... we dont and im sick of it.

ross lyon is a great coach, but you cant get blood from wood, we have to be defensive because our idiot recruiting managers havent been able to recruit and develop forwards of any quality. We have had years to try and produce a midfield of quality and we have been a little unlucky at times i.e barlow... but we are yet to have really found the right chemistry....

bond and lloyd need to have one hell of a draft this year, otherwise we will be in dire straits from a list point of view. If that happens, they should both fall on their own sword

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

The OP is right.

I'm finding Freo to be my second team at the moment, with any team who plays against the eGirls to be my first team for that week

Back to reality, Freo has a losers' mentality with mediocrity accepted too often.

I would loooooove to be proven wrong, but I am losing faith

I think this is Fremantle's problem right there in a nut shell. Unable to get out of the "Poor Cousin" syndrome that has plagued not only the Supporters but the players as well.

Get up for 2 games a year and we done enough to keep our jobs. I hope we get a good game this weekend but I think the 2 teams are at different stages of their development.

You blokes have some very decent players like Fyfe, Sandi and Pav but it falls away in consistency from there. With FYfe being injured and Sandi under an Injury cloud it leaves old man Pav to carry the can. One man can't win a war it takes a team of warriors who have Finals Toughness to get a Premiership Flag...or 3

 

[andy_20]

I agree with the people saying give Ross time and I'm willing to do that but seriously every single coach we have all said the same thing, "we are building to something special, its going to take time" well I'm sick of waiting this club needs results NOW!

I honestly thought performances like that on a the weekend were a thing of the past but as usual it was the same Dockers we've seen for 16 years. 1.5 years ago we were smashing Hawthorn and Carlton with the same group of players! Injuries or not this current list of players has not improved since 2010 and its about time the club tells these players, "if you don't want to play to your potential and continue to play half arsed footy piss off and we'll recruit players who will pull there finger out"

If we dish up that same crap this week, the Eagles will give us an absolute hiding

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I think this is Fremantle's problem right there in a nut shell. Unable to get out of the "Poor Cousin" syndrome that has plagued not only the Supporters but the players as well.

Get up for 2 games a year and we done enough to keep our jobs. I hope we get a good game this weekend but I think the 2 teams are at different stages of their development.

You blokes have some very decent players like Fyfe, Sandi and Pav but it falls away in consistency from there. With FYfe being injured and Sandi under an Injury cloud it leaves old man Pav to carry the can. One man can't win a war it takes a team of warriors who have Finals Toughness to get a Premiership Flag...or 3

Thats rubbish. If you honestly think the players and coaching staff have this mindset then your an idiot.

but for me as a supporter, the worst imaginable weekend for me is seeing the dockers lose and the eagles win... id get upset if your mob won a game of scrabble, that has nothing to do with the players though, this bullshit idea that our players give a shit about your success and caring more about beating you than being successful themselves is the typical arrogant attitude we have come to expect from your scum of the earth supporter base... now piss off back to your board

 

[free at last]

Thats rubbish. If you honestly think the players and coaching staff have this mindset then your an idiot.

but for me as a supporter, the worst imaginable weekend for me is seeing the dockers lose and the eagles win... id get upset if your mob won a game of scrabble, that has nothing to do with the players though, this bullshit idea that our players give a shit about your success and caring more about beating you than being successful themselves is the typical arrogant attitude we have come to expect from your scum of the earth supporter base... now piss off back to your board

F%#k you sound like my dad KPR.

 

[andy_20]

Thats rubbish. If you honestly think the players and coaching staff have this mindset then your an idiot.

The coaching staff and players may not have that mindset but, Rick Hart and Schwabby did and so do some of the supporters. Even though the current board has changed the perception from the public still is that The Dockers only care about beating the Eagles.

You only have to look back 3 or 4 years ago when "Rick I have no idea Hart" said, "If we beat Eagles this weekend, Mark Harvey will most likely be signed up"