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Tedeski said:
Yes!

Sure! Finals are something we are rated by. But I don't rate any opposition team that just falls in. I won't rate ours should we!
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Having "fallen into the finals", what if we manage to win in week one of the finals? Would you rate us then?

I know this is taking in a lot of hypotheticals, but if you make the top 8 by the end of round 22, you are worthy of playing finals. That's just how it is IMO.

Who knows what will happen in the finals if and when we make it.
 
Roos has set this team up for the future, these are all long term players who have been getting good game time and the future looks pretty good to me. Some of you are acting like sooks imo. Roos has been HUGE for this club.

B: Smith - LRT - ?????
HB: Malceski - Grundy - ??????
C: McVeigh - Kennedy - Jetta
HF: Jack - White - Rohan
F: McGlynn - ????? - ?????
R: Mumford - Bird - Hannebery
INT: Seaby - Moore - Meredith - ??????

Obviously there will be more trades, draftees etc. but the core of the team is built and some of those question marks have obviously suitors in the reserves with Vez, LJ, Currie, TDL, Reid etc. Not sure where Pyke fits in but he has been a success at this stage. Roos has done his job and has been outstanding for this club. It will be sad when he leaves and I can't fathom why people are saying good riddance.

Yes I know what you think of McVeigh Bedford but he doesn't need to be a consistent ball winner if Jack, Hanners etc. become guns. Soft receiver with good skills and an eye for goal is good enough with guys like Kennedy, Jack and Bird in the team.
 
The only sensible and rational person in this thread is AG.

Anyone else here wouldn't last two weeks in the AFL if they get offended by what a coach says about their effort.

He's the coach, hes been in the game for DECADES, he knows when a player is ready or not. Believe it or not, your form for 2 hours in the reserves games is not the only criteria needed for selection.

Loosing it 4 weeks out because of a blatant bias towards a couple of unproven players is a little silly.

I want them to play also but not in front of players like smith, lrt and bird.

We are still in the 8 and any form of finals experience for the young kids already in the team is much more valuable that we can imagine.

Booting ROK or Mcveigh into the two's will do absolutely nothing, like Goodes they know their form is down and it is up to them to turn it around.
 

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I think the underlying point is what S120 made, in that he thinks Vez and LJ will make a difference and I think that might be right. But most others are completely negating that point but going overboard and saying "I don't want finals" or "I'm glad Roos is going".
 
I'd like to see us play finals but obviously dont hold hopes for glory. I think we will only make it with heart. As for as the youngsters, we do need to push them but not as hard as Kangaroos have there's. There is a point of overkill we need to be aware of...

Plus me have Mummy, he is god. He will bring balance to the force... And Padawan Currie and Pyke to Jedi status!
 
AUSSIE GUN said:
I think the underlying point is what S120 made, in that he thinks Vez and LJ will make a difference and I think that might be right. But most others are completely negating that point but going overboard and saying "I don't want finals" or "I'm glad Roos is going".
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I dont get the hype with Vez, he has had maybe one standout game back in 08 i think... the rest have been average, he does have confidence though which i do think could help us out.

LJ - we have zero idea how he would go but i guess this week would be the week to try him out before braddy comes back in.

However i still think TDL should be first in line, just needs to find some more confidence, he has a good work rate.
 
Neverwas said:
Ranked 13th in Tackles per Game
Ranked 12th in Frees Against Per Game
Ranked 15th in Rebound50s Per Game
Ranked 15th in 1%ers Per Game
Ranked 15th in least opponent tackles Per Game
Ranked 16th in Team to opponent Tackles Per Game Difference.
Ranked 15th in Team to Opponent l%ers Per Game Difference

Hardly the sort of stats that suggest the senior side is full of honest triers.:(
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Sorry Aussie Gun, but this is why I want some of those younger players in the side, NOT because they're young. If you think the above stats are good enough then I have to disagree. If the seniors want to deliver that level of tackling and pressure, 2ND LAST in the 1%ers per game and LAST in comparative tackling, then they should be replaced by younger players who from all reports are trying.

That's more than can be said for the seniors who are clearly not trying if they serve up the 2nd worst team to opponent 1%ers per game.
 
pretty sure we were ranked in the top 5 of all those stats at the start of the year before a heap of senior players got injured and we started to play some more kids...
 
Mcveigh said:
pretty sure we were ranked in the top 5 of all those stats at the start of the year before a heap of senior players got injured and we started to play some more kids...
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I think you may be right. Alhough we murdered some non match fit teams at the start of the year too. We weren't beating much.
 
Mcveigh said:
The only sensible and rational person in this thread is AG.

Anyone else here wouldn't last two weeks in the AFL if they get offended by what a coach says about their effort.

He's the coach, hes been in the game for DECADES, he knows when a player is ready or not. Believe it or not, your form for 2 hours in the reserves games is not the only criteria needed for selection.

Loosing it 4 weeks out because of a blatant bias towards a couple of unproven players is a little silly.

I want them to play also but not in front of players like smith, lrt and bird.

We are still in the 8 and any form of finals experience for the young kids already in the team is much more valuable that we can imagine.

Booting ROK or Mcveigh into the two's will do absolutely nothing, like Goodes they know their form is down and it is up to them to turn it around.
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Booting McVeigh in to the 2's will show him that he's not untradeable and he might have to go and get his own kicks.
 
I agree and it has been mostly our senior guys who have been inconsistent but i beleive that is because we are missing key players which greatly affects our structure.

Unfortunately, youth doesn't fix this instantly and especially when there is more pressure on the team to perform with only 4 weeks to go.
 

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OK guys!!

This discussion is going down a different path now as we seem to be discussing finals (myself included) as the main point.
The point i am REALLY trying to make, following on from Sophie's post, is that we need to address this week first of all......then round 19....then round20 etc...etc................then finals if we addressed the previous problems successfully.

Because guys................if we only win 1 more game out of the next 4, then there ARE NO finals...........................and that's with a comp where 8 of the 16 teams make the finals!!

So with all due respect Skip Kelly (nice to hear from you by the way), when you mention the great name Skilton & only one final appearance, I don't see a fair comparison on the matter.

Skilton's one & only appearance will ALWAYS rate as a far greater final then "falling into the finals" in todays comp, simply because the Swans of that day had to finish in the top four to make the finals. That's only 4 of the 12 teams playing finals as compared to the 8 of 16 teams today.The poor buggers won 14, lost 8 & still just made it.

So anything short of a top 5 finish really won't ever compare to poor old Bobby Skilton's final. Today's guys just take it for granted because it is so easy to make the finals these days.

So once again to everyone.................NO...................I don't rate making the finals in todays comp, nor JUST "falling in to the finals" for all these reasons.

Should we win 2 of these final 4 games & make the finals, I'll be very happy to get the chance, but that's not quite the same as rating a 7th or 8th finish!

Just my opinion folks & I very much respect your views even when we don't see things the same!!
Cheers!
 
Neverwas said:
Ranked 13th in Tackles per Game
Ranked 12th in Frees Against Per Game
Ranked 15th in Rebound50s Per Game
Ranked 15th in 1%ers Per Game
Ranked 15th in least opponent tackles Per Game
Ranked 16th in Team to opponent Tackles Per Game Difference.
Ranked 15th in Team to Opponent l%ers Per Game Difference



Hardly the sort of stats that suggest the senior side is full of honest triers.:(
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Those stats aren't going to "suddenly" inprove if we play Veszpremi or Johnstone from this week, in fact those stats plain won't inprove regardless of who we play and who comes in. So to hold them up as a reason to "play the kids" is just a false hope.
 
AUSSIE GUN said:
We are 8th and have come off two bad weeks. You'd think we are 14th reading the Swans board atm.

There are 4 games left, it's not going to make or break the youngsters in the reserves if they don't play again. Getting finals experience into Hanners, Jetta could be our last chance for 5+ years. It's stupid that you want to see something that is 100% certain to happen next year (blood youngsters) over something that might not happen for a long time (finals action).

Roos picks the best 22, he has done a good job since he started, why doubt him for the last few weeks? Just accept he might not like Vez. A personality clash is all it could be.
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Wise words.

A fact I can't believe no one has yet brought up as to why there were no changes to the senior team against Geelong after the lost to Melbourne was that the Reserves were coming off a bye and Roos a) therefore didn't have a clear idea who was in form, b) we were playing Geelong who aren't the best teams to make your senior debut against and c) the players everyone on here want dropped can't be because their is no clear replacement because of injury.

Its all well and good to say play the kids but unless the kids you want to bring in are a) ready for senior football and b) have a position they can play, there is little use to bring them in until then. Hence why Reid and Currie aren't playing. TDL played and showed that he wasn't ready and Rohan is coming back from injury. Sumner might be an in, but might be held back until next year. That leaves Veszpremi and Johnstone which in Veszpremi's case he has been brought in and dropped to prove to him that senior games don't come easy, that he has to earn them and for this week would be an ideal replacement for Shaw. Johnstone I would bring in, but its up to the coaching staff to decide if he is ready for senior football. Sure he would help out our forward line, but who does he replace? Plus what happens if Bradshaw is ready to return? We also have Smith near a return.

Its not as clear cut as everyone makes out.
 

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Firstly, if McVeigh and ROK are injured, why the fck would they be dropped to the twos? The injuries aren't going to heal playing lesser opposition; if they're hurt, they should be rested.

Secondly, there seems to be an awful lot of hypocrisy on this board from posters who in the past have questioned playing younger players "for the sake of it", yet now seem to want to "try the kids".

As AG pointed out, we've given quite a few kids a go this season, some of them from round 1, which is a detour from Roos' previous policy. I am very much a fan of giving young players a chance, especially in a transition period, as we're going through, but as soon as myself and others have made such suggestions, the howling on this board has been deafening.

I bring up the case of Jesse White, playing in a key position that requires a different kind of development to, say, a running halfback or a midfielder. White plays 2-3 avergage games and that's enough for a lot of posters; "Drop him!" is the cry. Yet he's a developing young, surely he's exactly the kind of player now being talked up as being given a chance. Yes, he's played senior games but hardly with the coach's confidence (as shown by Roos' comments apparently singling out White after the Geelong loss).

So, do we promote kids and play them for one, two, three games? That's one of the things that I ask in the case of TDL - was his "rabbit in the headlights" look a personal lack of confidence, or the fear that one mistake meant he'd be back in Canberra and the chance would be some time coming again? Same with Vez (who must watch Meredith's efforts and shake his head in wonder).

Not all of us will be pleased or content at selections each week, but it's not Roos' job to please BF posters. I would back Roos to be doing the right thing by the club 100 per cent of the time, but I might agree with his thinking only 70-80 per cent of the time.

So we come on BF to vent, as Sophie did with her opening post. Some of the patronising rubbish that's been posted since then falls into one of two categories: hypocritical or nauseating.

And it's heckin'g insane to scoff or sneer at us playing finals. We finish 8th, and we're more deserving of finals than at least eight other sides.
 

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