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It is long overdue that men and women play the same number of sets. Like or hate my suggestion above but at least I have tried to address the imbalance.

The same needs to happen in various Olympic events such as the heptathlon and 800m freestyle.
 

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If there is a concerted effort for equal number of sets you know what will happen, men's matches will be reduced to best of three. Organisers hate best of five because the matches take up too much time. Any excuse and they will be reduced to best of three.
 

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Best of 5 for the final would be the absolute most id like to see women play Bo5 - and then i dont like there being a different set of rules to the final as every other match. The product would be terrible in a 5th set, women dont have the same athletic endurance as men.

Its the worst argument for split pay anyway as it has nothing to do with it
 

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perhaps in the 90's, the girls could have moved to Bo5 sets. They did play Bo5 at the end of year champs finals after all.

But nowadays, as Bumps said, it is never going to happen and it is far more likely the men drop to bo3 with "equality" is needed. In this age, we like our sport short and Bo5 ruins schedules.

I'm not a huge fan of Bo5, but I hope it stays. Most sports have shorter lengths for women instead of men.
 

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The product would be terrible in a 5th set, women dont have the same athletic endurance as men.
lol, that must be why the women’s marathon is only 25km long, hang on, no, it’s not.

Do you know that women dominate men in open water marathon swimming?

The final of the end of year WTA Finals used to be best of 5 (1984-98). I remember a phenomenal match between Seles and Sabatini, so rare to ever see women have to dig deep and show some heart. Seles won 6–4, 5–7, 3–6, 6–4, 6–2.

If the average female tennis player is not fit enough to occasionally play best of 5, bad luck, it’s about time more of them became athletes. Women get mollycoddled in tennis, it’s long overdue they earned their keep.
 

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There really is no push from the female players to move to five sets so I can't see it happening. Those that are hanging their hats on this to lead to equal pay will be disappointed (IMO). Need to argue for it on other grounds.
 

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If the average female tennis player is not fit enough to occasionally play best of 5, bad luck, it’s about time more of them became athletes. Women get mollycoddled in tennis, it’s long overdue they earned their keep.
I much prefer watching artists rather than athletes when I am watching a tennis match. Give me an Aga or a Kerber any day over Serena or other power hitters.

It would change what athletes would be on top in the women's game, and I don't think it would be in a good way.
 

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lol, that must be why the women’s marathon is only 25km long, hang on, no, it’s not.

Do you know that women dominate men in open water marathon swimming?

The final of the end of year WTA Finals used to be best of 5 (1984-98). I remember a phenomenal match between Seles and Sabatini, so rare to ever see women have to dig deep and show some heart. Seles won 6–4, 5–7, 3–6, 6–4, 6–2.

If the average female tennis player is not fit enough to occasionally play best of 5, bad luck, it’s about time more of them became athletes. Women get mollycoddled in tennis, it’s long overdue they earned their keep.
Now if only the sport we were discussing was swimming or marathons you might have a valid point.

They earn their keep by bringing in viewers. Its about entertainment, not trying to make the women do as much work as men for some bullshit agenda
 

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Just found an inequality in the Grand Slam Rulebook: Toilet/Change of Attire Break

In singles events a player is entitled to two (2) breaks during a match.

Honestly, what idiot writes these rules?
 

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yeah ok champ. How about advertising, ticket sales, tv ratings, cost of men's final v women's final, etc etc.
The ability to attract revenue is the only issue. Nothing else matters. Tennis players are not paid. They are part of a revenue drawing business. Men's game attracts more money. Simple as that.
 

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The ability to attract revenue is the only issue. Nothing else matters. Tennis players are not paid. They are part of a revenue drawing business. Men's game attracts more money. Simple as that.
I know, but some might argue that revenue is difficult to apportion. Most sessions involve men's singles and women's singles, so how would you prove that x% of ticket sales or advertising is due to the men and how many for the women?

I would be happy enough if ANY effort is made to equal time on court between the sexes and to disregard the myriad of other gender imbalances that exist in grand slam tennis. Until recent years, men always played last in night sessions, when that changed there were some not happy about it. I think Venus had to play late at the Oz and complained.

The Men's Final has always been played on the Sunday. A ticket to the Men's Final is usually the most expensive ticket at a slam. If people support equality, then nothing should be set in stone, such as men always playing last in Night sessions. Male tennis players are criticised for being sexist if they dare suggest the women have it easy, so it needs women players to speak up. If you are a fit woman, playing longer would be to the disadvantage of your opponents whose fitness is questionable.
 

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I know, but some might argue that revenue is difficult to apportion. Most sessions involve men's singles and women's singles, so how would you prove that x% of ticket sales or advertising is due to the men and how many for the women?

I would be happy enough if ANY effort is made to equal time on court between the sexes and to disregard the myriad of other gender imbalances that exist in grand slam tennis. Until recent years, men always played last in night sessions, when that changed there were some not happy about it. I think Venus had to play late at the Oz and complained.

The Men's Final has always been played on the Sunday. A ticket to the Men's Final is usually the most expensive ticket at a slam. If people support equality, then nothing should be set in stone, such as men always playing last in Night sessions. Male tennis players are criticised for being sexist if they dare suggest the women have it easy, so it needs women players to speak up. If you are a fit woman, playing longer would be to the disadvantage of your opponents whose fitness is questionable.
Television and media would never allow it. Sporting events build up to a crescendo. EG the Afl grand final. At slams that is the men's final. They will bow the knee to
Equality but only until it impacts bottom line.
 

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Equal prizemoney, but ...

2018 Australian Open:

Starting price for a women's final ticket: $203
Starting price for a men's final ticket: $415

2019 Australian Open:

Starting price for a women's final ticket: $148
Starting price for a men's final ticket: $305
 

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I know, but some might argue that revenue is difficult to apportion. Most sessions involve men's singles and women's singles, so how would you prove that x% of ticket sales or advertising is due to the men and how many for the women?

I would be happy enough if ANY effort is made to equal time on court between the sexes and to disregard the myriad of other gender imbalances that exist in grand slam tennis. Until recent years, men always played last in night sessions, when that changed there were some not happy about it. I think Venus had to play late at the Oz and complained.

The Men's Final has always been played on the Sunday. A ticket to the Men's Final is usually the most expensive ticket at a slam. If people support equality, then nothing should be set in stone, such as men always playing last in Night sessions. Male tennis players are criticised for being sexist if they dare suggest the women have it easy, so it needs women players to speak up. If you are a fit woman, playing longer would be to the disadvantage of your opponents whose fitness is questionable.
Which generates more revenue out of the ATP and WTA tours?
 
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