Hot Topic Essendon Board Non-Football COVID-19 Discussions

[Lore]

COVID-19 vaccines

News and information for Australians about the development, approval process and plans for COVID-19 vaccines.

www.health.gov.au

 

[boncer34]

you know renowned board tinfoiler and all that. although I've been superseeded of late

I dunno, i'm not saying we have been sold a turkey as such, but the media (and to an extent the government), when we were at our lowest ebb, locked down, in the depths of a pandemic despair kind of dangled the notion in front of us that the vaccine will be our savior. From there people who were distraught, locked away and desperate for normality grabbed onto the hope that we can all go back to normal and travel and party like normal once the magic vaccine arrives.

anytime you'd chat with someone - oh its ok, the vaccine will be here soon

I'm just not sure it's going to do any (or some) of that - it's no magic bullet.

Sure it may stop the vulnerable from dying - thats a tick, but its not going to make anyone who has had the jab any less able to carry and pass on the virus so in that respect it may even be more dangerous because someone might say ok, ive been jabbed, no mask for me, i can do as i want im now bullet proof.

We still have to exercise common etiquette like washing hands, covering mouth when coughing .....(which is frighteningly uncommon)

I guess i kind of look at it like the flu jab, it never stops the flu from ravaging winter, people still get the flu - but it does stop vulnerable people from dying, hence the vulnerable take it.

That said, i think ive got a very robust immune system, i eat well, im rarely sick. (i hardly go out in public) I dont think i need it at this point in time - if i need to keep wearing a mask on a train to work, so be it.

If in time results come in to say its is the magic bullet ill revist.

I know theres nothing people hate more than an Antivaxxer who thinks he knows more than the scientists and is jeopardising herd immunity so i know this is just an opinion i hold, and im immunised otherwise.. but i'm happy that we still have a choice in this matter and ill exercise it while i can.

how bout yourself

I'm happy to line up. I'm not expecting it to be a magic bullet by my partner works in healthcare so anything I can do that reduces my odds of getting it that in turn reduces her odds is something I'm willing to do.

 

[Loonerty]

If in time results come in to say its is the magic bullet ill revist.

This is a bizarre end take given what you've explained in your post.
Correct, vaccinated people can still carry the virus. For it to be most effective, you need as many people as possible to be vaccinated.

It only works if a lot of people take it. So it's weird to say "yeah well people can still carry it and give it to people who aren't vaccinated so I'm not going to get it until it's working".

 

[Lore]

At the end of the day it sounds like it’s not the virus we’re focused on, it’s the disease. If the virus still exists but doesn’t make anyone who has been vaccinated seriously sick with permanent organ damage or worse then that’s the main thing.

If the virus can still spread with the vaccine then I don’t know what that means for immune compromised people though.

Getting it or not isn’t something I’ve really thought about too much. I’m nowhere near the priority rollout groups so I probably won’t be able to get it until late in the year or next year, I suppose.

 

[boncer34]

At the end of the day it sounds like it’s not the virus we’re focused on, it’s the disease. If the virus still exists but doesn’t make anyone who has been vaccinated seriously sick with permanent organ damage or worse then that’s the main thing.

If the virus can still spread with the vaccine then I don’t know what that means for immune compromised people though.

Getting it or not isn’t something I’ve really thought about too much. I’m nowhere near the priority rollout groups so I probably won’t be able to get it until late in the year or next year, I suppose.

In theory I think their rolling it out to everyone who wants it by October. I might have my countries confused though.

 

[Lore]

In theory I think their rolling it out to everyone who wants it by October. I might have my countries confused though.

I expect I’ll get it then, then. I have questions as do a lot of people but I expect that will be cleared up by the time we get there.

 

[boncer34]

I expect I’ll get it then, then. I have questions as do a lot of people but I expect that will be cleared up by the time we get there.

Its being rolled out around the world already with nobody turning into the Walking Dead yet. I take comfort in that.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Partner is in frontline healthcare with COVID pts so top of the queue. I'm in education with a child in the daycare plague pit so will get it sooner or later.

 

[Lore]

Its being rolled out around the world already with nobody turning into the Walking Dead yet. I take comfort in that.

I’m more thinking along the lines of thalidomide.

 

[Howard Moon]

This is a bizarre end take given what you've explained in your post.
Correct, vaccinated people can still carry the virus. For it to be most effective, you need as many people as possible to be vaccinated.

It only works if a lot of people take it. So it's weird to say "yeah well people can still carry it and give it to people who aren't vaccinated so I'm not going to get it until it's working".

i didn't quite say i'm not going to get it until it's working - i said ill revisit when more is known; (success rate or side effects) what I meant, which lore more eloquently put than me was; I have questions as do a lot of people but I expect that will be cleared up by the time we get there.

I'll be so far down the queue that much more will be known, my stand now is pretty much non-relevant but im not busting the door down to jump any queues when there are far more vulnerable folk than i

 

[boncer34]

I’m more thinking along the lines of thalidomide.

The testing regimes are much more efficient these days because of Thalidomide. It serves as the poster child that no government would ever want to happen again.

 

[Howard Moon]

In theory I think their rolling it out to everyone who wants it by October. I might have my countries confused though.

the data on that roll out was confusing to say the least

the press release states from the end of feb 80,000 vaccines will be rolled out each week, with the entire public vaccinated by october.

But my maths tells me there are 36 weeks from end of feb til end of oct

36 x 80,000 = about the population of Brisname, not Australia

 

[boncer34]

the data on that roll out was confusing to say the least

the press release states from the end of feb 80,000 vaccines will be rolled out each week, with the entire public vaccinated by october.

But my maths tells me there are 36 weeks from end of feb til end of oct

36 x 80,000 = about the population of Brisname, not Australia

That roll out figure will increase per week.

 

[Lore]

the data on that roll out was confusing to say the least

the press release states from the end of feb 80,000 vaccines will be rolled out each week, with the entire public vaccinated by october.

But my maths tells me there are 36 weeks from end of feb til end of oct

36 x 80,000 = about the population of Brisname, not Australia

They’re not vaccinating children or immunocompromised unless a doctor says they need it, so it won’t be the entire population anyway.

 

[Lore]

Sticky post has all the faqs ^

 

[jmoo wan]

I am hoping to get in as we do work in aged care. It is already mandatory to have a flu vaccination prior to site access. I have put my feelers out.

You hiring any casuals at the moment?

 

[owen87]

Its being rolled out around the world already with nobody turning into the Walking Dead yet. I take comfort in that.

My friend in the US has had it, hasn't become a zombie as yet.

 

[boncer34]

Howard Moon fwiw results outta Israel are highly promising.

People who've gotten both shots simply aren't getting COVID

This is really good news.

futurism.com

 

[Howard Moon]

Howard Moon fwiw results outta Israel are highly promising.

People who've gotten both shots simply aren't getting COVID

This is really good news.

futurism.com

What's the go with the different Vax suppliers, I see one is approved one pending ECT , do you just walk in roll up your sleeve and get what you are given? Are there marked differences between them?

 

[boncer34]

What's the go with the different Vax suppliers, I see one is approved one pending ECT , do you just walk in roll up your sleeve and get what you are given? Are there marked differences between them?

What do we know so far about Australia’s COVID vaccine rollout?

What does Australia’s vaccination timeline look like? And where will you get yours?

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[Lore]

Pretty much me.

(Except that I don't abuse apostrophes like that.)

 

[Mr Bultitude]

Pretty much me.

(Except that I don't abuse apostrophes like that.)

I woke up to it. At lease I didn't have to spend the night with Brett Sutton in my head screaming "HELLO JOE!"

 

[boncer34]

Vaccines here.