Review Essendon List Review

[eth-dog]

wrote a long post b4, but lost it . Here's some of what I said:

Dyson- trade him. some value left, otherwise delist
Jetta- one more year. lets see him next year, then go to GWS.
Prismall- Stays. 2 more years, to se whether or not he's worth it.
Welsh- delist. past it.
Lonergan- develop in Welsh's role, play in midfield
Slattery- delist, McVeigh overtaken him
Myers- 2 more years
J. Williams- delist. not up to it
Laycock- delist. same as above
Daniher- delist. too far behind too many players.

tbc...

 

[Yoda_]

wrote a long post b4, but lost it . Here's some of what I said:

Dyson- trade him. some value left, otherwise delist
Jetta- one more year. lets see him next year, then go to GWS.
Prismall- Stays. 2 more years, to se whether or not he's worth it.
Welsh- delist. past it.
Lonergan- develop in Welsh's role, play in midfield
Slattery- delist, McVeigh overtaken him
Myers- 2 more years
J. Williams- delist. not up to it
Laycock- delist. same as above
Daniher- delist. too far behind too many players.

tbc...

Dyson: Contracted/Trade
Jetta: Delist/Trade - to inconsistant. May have just started showing some signs so will get one more year.
Prismal: A player who gets the ball, could be better suited to half forward with his creativity. Hardly saw him play on ball for Geelong right?
Welsh: Contracted/Trade - doubt anyone would want him.
Lonergan: Un - Contracted/Recontract him - Has shown some really good signs in recent weeks and was one who was on my 'outs' a month ago.
Slattery: Contracted - aint going no where IMO.
Myers: Uncontracted - Give him one more year IMO.
J.Williams: Delist - Need room for Meli
Laycock: Uncontracted/Delist
Daniher: Contracted - lure for Joe Daniher?

 

[BrunoV]

TOUGH CALLS:

People on here like to look at the 'protected species' at the Essendon Football Club. Players like David Myers and Courtenay Dempsey seem to be 'Gods' around here, yet fail to deliver when given a go in the senior side.

Come the end of the year, I feel we really need to turn the list over as we have too many 'pretenders' at Essendon and not enough defenders.

Some tough calls need to be made on Leroy Jetta, David Myers, Jarrod Atkinson, Nathan Lovett-Murray, Bachar Houli, Michael Quinn, Marcus Marigliani, Stuart Crameri and John Williams.

I would:

Trade: Leroy Jetta, David Myers, Bachar Houli.

Do you bother looking into why he is a "protected species"?

Both Jetta and Myers are two that have struggled with injuries and general fitness.

As far as I see it they would be drafted or traded for by other clubs because the hard work has been done and we are about at the start of the period of their careers during which they will make meaningful on-field contribuions.

Why the hell would we abandon our development of them now? So we can get another draft pick and draft another "Jetta" or "Myers"?

 

[Yoda_]

where does Quinn fall in our list? and when can we get rid of him?!

I've been thinking the same thing. Is he actually worth persisting with? are we able to keep both him and then draft in David Meli?

 

[Yoda_]

Do you bother looking into why he is a "protected species"?

Both Jetta and Myers are two that have struggled with injuries and general fitness.

As far as I see it they would be drafted or traded for by other clubs because the hard work has been done and we are about at the start of the period of their careers during which they will make meaningful on-field contribuions.

Why the hell would we abandon our development of them now? So we can get another draft pick and draft another "Jetta" or "Myers"?

I don't read into what others say.. I say what I see at the Bendigo games.

What do you see at Bendigo games?

Every draft pick is speculative, we have just been unlucky that our earlier draft picks in recent years have not been as good as our later ones..

 

[quotemokc]

Laycock being delisted is a given.

Worth holding onto Houli as he cud either replace Dyson or we cud trade him to GWS

 

[lemon chicken]

Not in favour of delisting any youngish players (Jetta, Myers, Houli, Still). I think Fletcher (will be shot down for this) is the hardest decision to make about the list. If he goes on it means Tyson Slattery is still playing seconds for another year if injuries go our way. Considering our ladder position we may want to use a pick in the pre-season draft.

 

[SirJimi05]

HFF was pretty spot on with his list review. Even KS was pretty spot on

Off the table come trade time:

Ryder, Hurley, Pears, Hooker, Zaharakis, Melksham, Hille, Watson, Fletcher.

Every other player is trade bait. Especially the ones that have currency. We need to make some bold decisionsif we want to movethis club forward.

 

[SirJimi05]

Laycock being delisted is a given.

Worth holding onto Houli as he cud either replace Dyson or we cud trade him to GWS

Why would GWS trade for a player that they can get for nothing? Doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[whats_at_stake]

Not in favour of delisting any youngish players (Jetta, Myers, Houli, Still). I think Fletcher (will be shot down for this) is the hardest decision to make about the list. If he goes on it means Tyson Slattery is still playing seconds for another year if injuries go our way. Considering our ladder position we may want to use a pick in the pre-season draft.

I actually agree with you about Fletcher- he is at the moment the only one holding our defence together and the players need to learn how to play without him. Would rather him be signed on as a defensive coach (we really need one given we have the worst defence in the league).

 

[The Fact]

Why would my post get deleted????

 

[Prog Rocker]

HFF well done for a fantastic review.I agree pretty much with it all but the question that worries me is:How long does the EFC wait to delist a player at seasons end? Meaning..Should we wait for the Suns to approach our player so we can get compo for him or do we just cleanout and hope for the best?

 

[Crimsons]

Not in favour of delisting any youngish players (Jetta, Myers, Houli, Still). I think Fletcher (will be shot down for this) is the hardest decision to make about the list. If he goes on it means Tyson Slattery is still playing seconds for another year if injuries go our way.

Agree with both comments. Fletcher not only impacts Tyson Slattery, but also Hurley, Hooker & Pears. We can't play all four in the backline.

 

[gPhonque]

Now to the defence.....

The small running/lock down players is where Essendon are really lacking....

The running backs is another area of great concern for Essendon....

.....

I would:

Delist: Jarrod Atkinson......

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.



Quite a few people in this thread have said they'd delist Atkinson, and not ONE has given any reason at all as far as I could see.

Atkinson looked decent when he played. He created run for us and held his own down back. Has the occasional brain-fade, but then, so does everybody else in our team.

He seems to get crucified around here, but for no good reason.

The one thing that people constantly overlook when it comes to Atkinson is how well he slots into our structure. He may not ever be a world-beater, but you don't need 18 world-beaters out there. You need 18 players that work together well, and do the team things. Atkinson, in the few games he played earlier in the year, did exactly that for the most part.

Yet people want to delist him.

 

[Phone]

Atkinson is 25, isn't a regular and has serious defensive problems. Of all the other players out of contract this year, he and Laycock offer us the least both right now and in the future. Therefore, he goes.

 

[Slattery_20]

Oh goodie, another thread where someone flogs their favoured hobby horses.

OK people, have been a little sceptical to post this, but feel now is the right time to do so.

Wow, waited until after a shocking loss to do it? How big of you.

Adrian Dodoro; Is your time up Adrian? Has really been a bit better in recent years, but would like to see him get some winners earlier in the draft rather than living off 'late pick gems' like Cale Hooker.

Clearly no idea who the recruiting guy really is. Disappointing that you use that to launch into an attack on blokes. Doubly disappointing now that Keane's been there 2 or 3 drafts. Triply disappointing that you're a mod, and couldn't bother checking your facts. It should be a mod's job to try and keep threads along fairly factually accurate lines, not actively propagate errors.


FWIW This is clearly not the year to make massive wholesale list changes.
Oh and they're not going to delist Myers.

FWIW some of you lot would have delisted 3 of our last 4 captains, going by the standards set.

 

[Slattery_20]

Here's what we need to do:

Trade Prismall - he still has some currency.
Trade M. Williams - too expensive and we have younger options who need game time.
Welsh - tell him his contract next year is his last and he'll have to do something magical to get another one. Could be trade value to Sheeds GWS.

Put NLM, Dyson, Lonergan on the trade table and see what we can get. They might survive if we get rid of the first 3. We still need some experience around, season is long, injuries and they can be good players in a better side.

Defensive personal - I'm not too worried. You could have the AA side playing for us and they'll still cop 100 points regularly with our game plan. We need to find a post McVeigh lock down defender. Slattery should be able to do the job in a reasonable side.

Dempsey will prosper when the team stops leaking like a sieve. I reckon we could go into games next year with a back six of Fletcher, Hurley, Hooker, Pears, McVeigh, Dempsey.

I agree on a fair bit here
- Dempsey. He's the cream, we don't have the cake.
Or rather, our cake only lasts 2 weeks at a time & who wants cream just sitting on a plate?
- Prismall ain't finished yet, but he certainly needs to find some urgency. I'm not sure if he can find it in the 2s, I'm not sure I want to watch him find it in the 1s.
- I don't think Williams would have zero currency to anyone else. Nothing. Zilch.
- I'd be interested hearing (your) thoughts on Jetta, think he'd have some currency.
- If Myers comes good, I think he's roughly what we need. Tall mid who can chase. Not an all-or-nothing sort like all-too many of our boys.

I wouldn't mind us having a look at guys who can do run-with & lock-down roles.
I'd like to see Welsh pushed out of the picture, but I think Friday night showed exactly why we need a defensively-minded player (or three) in the side.

Personally think we're better off trying to improve our draft position this year rather than bring in players. Sides who suddenly lose a player to GC may be chasing something at the trade table. Which may be an opportunity for us to flog off a promising but ultimately disappointing fringe player for a nice upgrade.

 

[The Donners]

Mcveigh finished

We'll revisit this in 12 months time. He's already slow and the game is only going to get quicker. Not saying he doesn't have the skill to cut it anymore but I think the game will go past him in less than 12 months.

 

[HighettBomber]

Laycock and Atkinson are obviously gone, its not even worth debating whether they should be or not. Others that should go:

1. Hank
2. Dyson ( I like him be we have other options that will end up better and need game time)
3. Welsh
4. NLM

I don't think Bock, Quinn or Crameri are worth keeping as rookies, unsure about John Williams. If his defensive skills are good he might be a player down back, I haven't seen enough to comment on this.

 

[Nasty Penguin]

Retiring Fletch would be the hardest decision to make and I can see the pros and cons of doing so. He could be there for another 4 years the way he's playing especially if he has his mandatory 4-5 game stint on the sidelines for having his gangly arms or legs getting him in trouble. The club needs that experience on field otherwise we'll go backwards again next year. This goes for Spike and Welsh as well they both love the club but form just doesn't excite you when they come back into the side. Spike has been a better performer in the latter half of the season than what welsh is. There are too few leaders at the club right now and only one or two future leaders in Melksham and Hurley.

We need a couple of real mongrel players ala Wallis, Wellman, Soloman, Barnyard. It's what lacks right now with Hille being the only real hard body out there. Jobe's not that sort of player but by god he's a good capt. Originally players like lonergan, hocking and reimers looked to be able to fill those roles of in and under tough nuts of the side but have since been played out of position and not in the guts.

The Dempsey Debarcle. He lives and breaths down hill skiing. Great to watch when the other 5 backmen are covering his arse but when they have their hands full he is exposed for every tom dick and harry to see. Play him as a defensive forward where he is not as accountable to allow him to learn his defensive game under less pressure. Then move him back if need be.

The forward line structure hasn't been settled all year. 2 big holes to fill in Lloyd and Lucas was bigger than expected. Willo was recruited in an attempt to fill one of those holes. The Hurley experiment down forward just didn't work and for now he's a better backman that can go forward in a pinch. It's scarey to think that Davey (22 goals) is the leading goal kicker for the club this season. Gumbleton got through a season and went missing on some occassions but showed the potential that everyone had hoped he would. Neagle just doesn't seem fit or upto the level. Great hands but you wouldn't put your house on him to kick straight. Hardingham was the suprise packet and adds that spark up forward. Monfires hasn't improved from last year it's just more of the same which is a pity as I think he's a barometer for the team.

The club has persisted with Dyson, NLM, lonergan and Slattery for too long. Surely they have some weight on the trade table even if they act as a sweetner to gain a higher draft pick I'd take it.

Houli, Myers, Jetta and Prismall are the four players that need to start showing they are part of the solution and not the cause of the problem. All have downfalls from being indecisive to injury to just going missing in games that matter. Have to be able to stick with them and just not drop them. Houli strung 3 games together and has played one ordinary game from those three. Pris needs to be played on the wing and jetta is a forward pocket player and shouldn't be seen up the ground he's just too small. Myers hasn't been given the chance to string games together at senior level. He's shown glimpse's of brilliance and as a high draft pick needs to be given time at senior level to develop not in one game out the next.

The assistant coaching staff needs a shake up. Campo is the midfield coach and it's just not working. If Simon Black retires and is looking for a coaching gig the club would be stupid not chasing him. With Madden as the ruck coach we've seen the high's that Ryder can reach and the improvement in Belly. Loathed to say it but as long as Knights is at the club Lloyd won't be back. He's ideal as a forward coach and could address some serious goal kicking issues at the club.

The trade period and off season appointments will be an indication as to where the club is going. Put players with niggles in for surgery now so they are ready for a full preseason and play the rookies. Marigliani would be good to see on the big stage as would Carlisle.

Trade: NLM, Lonergan, Slattery, Jetta, Neagle.

 

[Slattery_20]

summary:
"we're too soft. Trade all our harder blokes".
"forwards aren't settled. trade one of them"

Love it.

 

[Nasty Penguin]

summary:
"we're too soft. Trade all our harder blokes".
"forwards aren't settled. trade one of them"

Love it.

Lonergan, NLM and Slattery aren't hard blokes. They've shown they can be now and then but not consistantly. Cut the deadwood before it's too late.

Neagle has a return of 9.8 from 6 games and just doesn't even look like improving unlike Gumbleton. Would rather see Ryder or Hille as a perma forward and Belly as second ruck. If a fit willo can get on the park along with hardingham and gumbleton it makes for a potent forward line.

 

[Slattery_20]

Since McPhee & Lloyd left, Slatts, NLM & Lonergan are (along with Welsh)our hardest players.

I just have to laugh sometimes that people think what we need is more wingmen/outside runners, then are dismayed when our backs get annihilated by numbers running forward.

What we need is more hardness, more accountability, from front to back.

 

[TheDon35]

Our list was in reasonable shape with Lovett and McPhee. We lost both for zero.

All we needed is another quality mid and another quality utility. Now that we've lost them we have to basically find 4 quality players.

We need to get lucky and have either David Myers come from the clouds and become a good player or trade in a bonafide mid.

Here's what we need to do:

Trade Prismall - he still has some currency.
Trade M. Williams - too expensive and we have younger options who need game time.
Welsh - tell him his contract next year is his last and he'll have to do something magical to get another one. Could be trade value to Sheeds GWS.

Put NLM, Dyson, Lonergan on the trade table and see what we can get. They might survive if we get rid of the first 3. We still need some experience around, season is long, injuries and they can be good players in a better side.

Defensive personal - I'm not too worried. You could have the AA side playing for us and they'll still cop 100 points regularly with our game plan. We need to find a post McVeigh lock down defender. Slattery should be able to do the job in a reasonable side.

Dempsey will prosper when the team stops leaking like a sieve. I reckon we could go into games next year with a back six of Fletcher, Hurley, Hooker, Pears, McVeigh, Dempsey.

You're appraisal of the list is similar to where I see it. Only problem is the trade options you've put up.

NLM, Lonergan, Prismall, Welsh & Dyson are 4th round draft picks at best. Arguably half of them have no trade currency. The best you'd be looking at for any of these would be a highly speculative kid.

Williams may attract a 3rd round draft swap however his value would have significantly decreased under the inspirational Ignighter this year.

In most cases you actually have to give SOMETHING to get something in return.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

You're appraisal of the list is similar to where I see it. Only problem is the trade options you've put up.

NLM, Lonergan, Prismall, Welsh & Dyson are 4th round draft picks at best. Arguably half of them have no trade currency. The best you'd be looking at for any of these would be a highly speculative kid.

Williams may attract a 3rd round draft swap however his value would have significantly decreased under the inspirational Ignighter this year.

In most cases you actually have to give SOMETHING to get something in return.

No point in giving up one B grader for another. We'll find it very hard to attract any decent player eg. bonafide mid. You might as well cut a fringe player or 2 to try and take some speculative picks and hope they turn out.

We should get on our knees and pray for Melksham, Colyer and first pick this year to help out Jobe, Stants, Winders and Howlett. Zaka too. There's enough good kids and talent their to be a top 8 midfield. Add one more in an under and we are pushing up higher once we get a few more games into them.

Our list would be a lot different if we went for someone other than Myers and had kept Lovett.

Need to make finals next year with the above midfield and hope that they all come on and we get lucky. There's no other way. Knights has put us in a hole. Man we could do with Skipworth's leadership right now.