Essendon's Problem Doesn't Exist - Dank

[Bombfire]

Essendon appear screwed for all money no matter which way you look at it. I just hope Melbourne were t stupid enough to implement a club wide program on the advice of this snake oil salesman as well though it would appear at least Trengove may have a case to answer. It is quite pathetic the way the media reports on this though and is amusing the way the HS chief football writer treats it with kiddy gloves because it is the team he loves. If it were any other team in the spotlight you can guarantee there would be much more inflammatory articles being published.

When it comes to stupidity, nothing is impossible for the red and the blue.

 

[Bombfire]

The Tippet story had plenty of leaks - the Carlton story had plenty of leaks - the Melbourne story had plenty of leaks. The West Coast story had plenty of leaks.. This isn't a conspiracy.. providing no official statements are made - reporters and everyone else are more than freely to discuss. If there are no leaks then anything and everything can be reported in all different sorts of tangents that can influence an outcome.

Hang on Hang on, you just bypassed my reply about leaking agencies. So I'll repeat it, have you ever seen an admission from a Federal Government Agency that they freely leak documents? If not, why?

 

[blackshadow]

It wouldn't surprise me if some leaks are coming from Windy Hill from people who are disgusted that Essendon players have been shot full of God knows what and what the possible side effects may be.

Perhaps Hird really is God

 

[pinot]

Hang on Hang on, you just bypassed my reply about leaking agencies. So I'll repeat it, have you ever seen an admission from a Federal Government Agency that they freely leak documents? If not, why?

Of course, they leak information from anything to Federal Budgets to Security Issues.

 

[pinot]

..and bopmbfire due to your naivety. Please don't reply.

 

[gPhonque]

So if no findings or corroborative evidence can be revealed for at least three months, how can you have come to a conclusion so quickly without any of the actual evidence at your disposal?

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but I'm trying to understand this mob mentality. I honestly believed that most people would be skeptical about the headline grabbing articles that offer tiny bits of info yet some here seem to be taking it all as gospel even when it contradicts itself.

This is the best post anybody here has made on this topic.

Well said.

 

[Bombfire]

It wouldn't surprise me if some leaks are coming from Windy Hill from people who are disgusted that Essendon players have been shot full of God knows what and what the possible side effects may be.

Perhaps Hird really is God

The old dunnies at Windy Hill had plenty of leaks.

 

[Bombfire]

So if no findings or corroborative evidence can be revealed for at least three months, how can you have come to a conclusion so quickly without any of the actual evidence at your disposal?

Sorry, I don't mean to single you out but I'm trying to understand this mob mentality. I honestly believed that most people would be skeptical about the headline grabbing articles that offer tiny bits of info yet some here seem to be taking it all as gospel even when it contradicts itself.

Joh Bjelke Petersen used to have a ball with stuff like this. He'd play around with the media - I think he used to call it "feeding the chooks" and the mob bought into it every time.

 

[Bombfire]

..and bopmbfire due to your naivety. Please don't reply.

OK - I'll take that as an admission you have not seen any statement by a Govt. agency that they freely leak documents during an investigation. Case closed.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

OK - I'll take that as an admission you have not seen any statement by a Govt. agency that they freely leak documents during an investigation. Case closed.

That's pretty much what Dank told WADA, wasn't it?

 

[Chameleon75]

Joh Bjelke Petersen used to have a ball with stuff like this. He'd play around with the media - I think he used to call it "feeding the chooks" and the mob bought into it every time.

Yes he's a fine example of integrity in government Sir Joh.

 

[pinot]

OK - I'll take that as an admission you have not seen any statement by a Govt. agency that they freely leak documents during an investigation. Case closed.

P 25
4.6 (a) (b) & (c)
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...WADA_Investigations_Guidelines_May2011_EN.pdf

 

[Bombfire]

Yes he's a fine example of integrity in government Sir Joh.

The integrity of this whole investigation is disintegrating with all these leaks, and sub plots.........

 

[carlton2dabone]

EFC supporters live in the alternative reality as that one American GOP lawmaker who headed the science comittee and once claimed that a woman who is r*ped can stop herself getting pregnant because her body can identify a rapists sperm and shut it down.

 

[Bombfire]

P 25
4.6 (a) (b) & (c)
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...WADA_Investigations_Guidelines_May2011_EN.pdf

As I said case closed. They don't make admissions about leaking.

 

[Dustin Credible]

If it's not factual then it's defamatory and libelous.

Not actually true. There are 3 defences against defamation of which it being a matter of fact is only one.

 

[pinot]

(b) On the other hand, there is a strong public interest in the speedy and effective enforcement of sport’s anti-doping rules, to maintain public confidence in the ability of the sports movement to protect the integrity of the sport and of particular events within that sport.
(c) Any conflict between the two interests should be resolved on a case-by-case basis. Early and open discussion is required to identify the potential conflict and explore ways of resolving it to each party’s satisfaction. Through discussion and mutual respect, it should be possible to find a way to further the public interest in the speedy and effective enforcement of sport’s anti-doping rules without compromising any concurrent criminal/ regulatory investigation.

I think it is quite clear it is important for WADA to notify the public and understand where the investigations are and where they are going. Their utmost importance is upholding the integrity of the competition. Basically if you don't like it, you shouldn't have cheated.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

EFC supporters live in the alternative reality as that one American GOP lawmaker who headed the science comittee and once claimed that a woman who is r*ped can stop herself getting pregnant because her body can identify a rapists sperm and shut it down.

I beg your pardon?

All due respect, but that is probably the stupidest, rubbish posts I've read

 

[mxett]

Fair point Lance, not all Dons fans.

Not sure what mxett's agenda against Reid is?

Looks as tho mxett appears he doesn't care what happens at Essendon as long as somebody other than Hird cops the blame...and he isn't the only one it seems #standbyhird

If a supporter is trotting out the innocent until guilty line, and supporting your club etc., how can he so easily point the finger of blame at an Essendon man like Reid?

Rubbish.

As I have stated numerous times, if Hird ignored advice from Reid that AOD shouldn't be used then Hird MUST go. If Essendon acting on the advice of Reid that AOD was compliant then he must be held responsible. that is unless he had legitimate proof like approval from ASADA.

I've worked in healthcare for over 20 years. I trust and respect doctors more than most people I know. But their role comes with substantial responsibilities because other rely on and act on their advice without question. If they fail in that responsibility they must be held to account.

Anyway, Doc Reid seems like a great bloke and is obviously a highly respected doctor. I really hope he had legitimate proof to approve AOD for use. Allegedly he has claimed he saw proof, as did Doc Bates.

 

[Chameleon75]

Rubbish.

As I have stated numerous times, if Hird ignored advice from Reid that AOD shouldn't be used then Hird MUST go. If Essendon acting on the advice of Reid that AOD was compliant then he must be held responsible. that is unless he had legitimate proof like approval from ASADA.

I've worked in healthcare for over 20 years. I trust and respect doctors more than most people I know. But their role comes with substantial responsibilities because other rely on and act on their advice without question. If they fail in that responsibility they must be held to account.

Anyway, Doc Reid seems like a great bloke and is obviously a highly respected doctor. I really hope he had legitimate proof to approve AOD for use. Allegedly he has claimed he saw proof, as did Doc Bates.

How do you know doc Reid approved it's use?

 

[Jimthegreat]

Danks has admitted to giving players AOD. Then has tried to twist everything to say he was allowed to do it legally. Also conveniently hiding non-existent letters the dog ate, miss convenient sections like WADA's s0 clause while quoting the s2 clause, selectively taking clauses from email correspondence with WADA to make it all sound right etc...etc.... Say what you like, he has injected illegal substances into the players. He said it himself no matter what Essendon supporters want to say. That is not a leak. Means the club is in trouble player suspension-wise. No getting away from that. And that's just AOD. God knows what else this lunatic has injected into the players.

Best Essendon can hope for was that coaches and officials were naive to what he doing, which seems to be a possibility. If they weren't then the club is in absolute deep sh1t.

 

[Tazmania]

How do you know doc Reid approved it's use?

Don't expect a sensible answer... I asked of him repeatedly last week. Thinks the email stating that doc Reid should approve everything is evidence he actually did, despite reports the Doc was frozen out.

 

[Saint Shags]

Rubbish.

As I have stated numerous times, if Hird ignored advice from Reid that AOD shouldn't be used then Hird MUST go. If Essendon acting on the advice of Reid that AOD was compliant then he must be held responsible. that is unless he had legitimate proof like approval from ASADA.

I've worked in healthcare for over 20 years. I trust and respect doctors more than most people I know. But their role comes with substantial responsibilities because other rely on and act on their advice without question. If they fail in that responsibility they must be held to account.

Anyway, Doc Reid seems like a great bloke and is obviously a highly respected doctor. I really hope he had legitimate proof to approve AOD for use. Allegedly he has claimed he saw proof, as did Doc Bates.

No offense but you have been gunning for Reid's head for a long while now. He is the easiest scapegoat and one that could be easily replaced at the club.

 

[mxett]

How do you know doc Reid approved it's use?

I don't for certain of course. That's why I said if.

Having said that Mike Sheahan who is also a fan of Reids was very critical of the fact he didnt take his concerns further. If those concerns were about banned substances a letter to the board isnt enough of a protest. Having said that allegedly Reid saw eveince AOD was compliant so I doubt he complained about banned substances, more about the process

 

[Stiubhart]

EFC supporters live in the alternative reality as that one American GOP lawmaker who headed the science comittee and once claimed that a woman who is r*ped can stop herself getting pregnant because her body can identify a rapists sperm and shut it down.

TODD AKIN