Essendon's Talls

[bluespooner]

I don't see any imbalance. Our midfield competed quite well against one of the fittest in the competition today with Watson injured early, Stanton on one leg and Hocking out. I thought Kavanaugh, Browne and O'Brien would be best 22 this year, and they are all playing seconds. Depth is not an issue.

If you think those three are going to walk in and replace the contributions of Watson and Stanton your going to be in for a wake-up

Having an abundance of talls doesn't mean they will come on the cheap, it means we have the control of supply. Especially in a midfielders draft. If teams want one this isn't the bargin basement and based on "reports" they are in demand.

Gumbleton and Pears are barely tradeable, it would be interesting to know what their contract status is and with Gumbleton he would have to be close to being a free agent.

Hooker probably has the most value but I reckon pick 35 is about right for someone with clear limitations. Because essendon has identified that they need more quality midfielders, then yes they are going to release tall players that are not part of their best 22 and it will be at bargain basement rates because they will either walk or be delisted at the end of 2014.

 

[ZaharakisFTW]

Stating Hooker is the number one in the league for intercept marks and holding that up as to what his value is on the trade table is just absurd. Firstly, I didn't even know they took stats for intercept marks but there you go another meaningless statistic telling you absolutely nothing about what a player is like.. From my perspective the only meaningful marking statistic is the number of contested marks a player makes.
F.

for a defender intercept marks is one of the more valuable statistics, intercept marks generate turnovers, which generate scoring opportunities, which generate goals, which generate wins. Tell me how is it a "meaningless statistic"?

 

[Ambrosia]

Gumbleton and Pears are barely tradeable, it would be interesting to know what their contract status is and with Gumbleton he would have to be close to being a free agent.

Hooker probably has the most value but I reckon pick 35 is about right for someone with clear limitations. Because essendon has identified that they need more quality midfielders, then yes they are going to release tall players that are not part of their best 22 and it will be at bargain basement rates because they will either walk or be delisted at the end of 2014.

Where are you pulling this from?

Essendon won't be shopping multiple talls around during trade week. The club would love to hang on to all of Bellchambers, Gumby, Pears and Crameri. It will be up to other clubs to try and poach those players from us.

 

[Ants]

I know there are a lot of essendon posters on the draft board but anyone challenging the notion that Bellchambers, Hooker, Pears and Gumbleton are worth first round picks in your world is a troll. Clearly, some essendon posters on here believe if they state these essendon players are worth that type of currency often enough it is going to happen. This is just delusional thinking.

Stating Hooker is the number one in the league for intercept marks and holding that up as to what his value is on the trade table is just absurd. Firstly, I didn't even know they took stats for intercept marks but there you go another meaningless statistic telling you absolutely nothing about what a player is like.. From my perspective the only meaningful marking statistic is the number of contested marks a player makes.

For mine, Gumbleton due to the questions over his fitness and durability will always be a punt for a club, but there might be a desperate enough club to offer a pick around about 35.
Hooker, well he isn't a bad footballer but also he isn't a world beater (posters claiming he is worth a first round draft pick or two second round draft picks could be construed by non-essendon posters as being trolls) I would have his worth on the trade table as somewhere around about pick 35.
Bellchambers, I don't think he is that good, I would only offer a third round draft pick; clearly inferior to Jacobs and he went for a second round draft pick. Hampson and Warnock will quite possibly be on the market next trade period and I think most clubs would prefer either of those.
Pears, is a hard one to judge, a West Australian club might have some interest or a club short on KPDs but realistically you couldn't expect more than a third round draft pick.

The other thing over-hanging all this is the fact that essendon players may well be subject to sanctions for taking banned substances, so any club trading with essendon would need to take this into account. For the record I think Spangher is a better key position player than Pears and is comparable to Hooker in ability and talent.

Note, a number of carlton posters were suggesting Paul Bower at the end of 2011 was worth an early second round draft pick, as it was no one traded for him and he lasted just one more year on carlton's list before being delisted. If essendon are unable to trade some of these players mentioned then it wouldn't surprise me if they are delisted come the end of 2014.

I remember having big debates on the value of Lovett. I argued that despite the fact he was a moron, and inconsistent, he was worth a first round pick. Because he brought things top sides needed, that weren't easy to get in the draft, and that he was matured (physically) and ready to go. Also, that draft picks were over-rated. I was right.

Most EFC fans have said they don't want to lose any of these players. The issue is not team structure, it will be the salary cap and some of the guys might want more opportunities. I don't think anyone has said Pears is worth a first rounder - but do think if he got back to his best whoever got him would be getting a bargain. Most EFC fans think Gumby may go for more than he's worth on output because of the potential, that he's been fit 18 months, and that there is demand for tall forwards. Realistically, Carlton, GC or the Bulldog's second round picks would be what we're hoping for if Gumby wants to leave, and that would be influenced by demand. On Hooker, you seem to be failing to understand that other clubs rated Hooker at two 2nd round picks last year. Yet you keep on bleating about a pick of value 35. Hooker is #1 in the league on intercept marks, and there was a HS article on the 22nd June that had him #9 in the league on kicking when graded for pressure, target etc. And nobody, including you, are able to point to any forwards who have beaten him this year beyond a short stint on Waite. He's beating his opponent, stopping attacks and setting us back up to counter. What exactly else do you want from a KP back????

And on the drugs issue, we'll know any sanctions by the time trade period comes up and sanctions didn't effect the desire for Tippett. So we would appreciate if you could please stop mentioning it as if its the sword of Damocles over the players value.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

If you think those three are going to walk in and replace the contributions of Watson and Stanton your going to be in for a wake-up

Genius. A top 10 player in the comp gets injured and of course I must be assuming a kid will come in and replicate the same output. Have a think mate.

 

[Wild Bill]

What about Dahlhaus for Crameri or Gumby and a pick? Jetta is struggling in the two's and Davey is not having a great year. Dahl brings defensive pressure and has an x factor that could added a fair bit to the Bomber forward line. He would be good at the feet of the tall fowards at Essendon.

 

[eth-dog]

What about Dahlhaus for Crameri or Gumby and a pick? Jetta is struggling in the two's and Davey is not having a great year. Dahl brings defensive pressure and has an x factor that could added a fair bit to the Bomber forward line. He would be good at the feet of the tall fowards at Essendon.

Would take that in a heartbeat but the dogs seriously lack outside class and Dahlhaus is one of few that provides that, so I can't see it getting done

 

[HirdyLannister]

Ditto with get that deal done asap

 

[Wild Bill]

Would take that in a heartbeat but the dogs seriously lack outside class and Dahlhaus is one of few that provides that, so I can't see it getting done

He does not get enough of it for an outside mid. He is a small forward. Tutt and Johanninsen look like a replacement. Where is the dogs bigger hole? KPF or small forward that can have a run in the midfield? They are getting enough of the ball forward in games but no one to take a mark and at times even compete. You will get that from Crameri and Gumby.

If they get an Aish this year and with McCrae and Horvat they are starting to close the outside run gap. Griffen has pushed up to elite for me as well.

Cordy did not take a mark V GWS and had only 5 handballs. Jones maybe ok with the number 2 defender on him but struggles against the best from each team. I have no idea how they improve without decent tall forwards. They gain more than they lose with a Crameri and Dahl trade IMO. He is a fan favourite however so I am not sure this will be popular.

 

[scooter600x]

Essendon were keen on Dickson when we drafted him. Probably better performed than Gumbleton.

 

[Seb78]

I know there are a lot of essendon posters on the draft board but anyone challenging the notion that Bellchambers, Hooker, Pears and Gumbleton are worth first round picks in your world is a troll. Clearly, some essendon posters on here believe if they state these essendon players are worth that type of currency often enough it is going to happen. This is just delusional thinking.

Stating Hooker is the number one in the league for intercept marks and holding that up as to what his value is on the trade table is just absurd. Firstly, I didn't even know they took stats for intercept marks but there you go another meaningless statistic telling you absolutely nothing about what a player is like.. From my perspective the only meaningful marking statistic is the number of contested marks a player makes.

For mine, Gumbleton due to the questions over his fitness and durability will always be a punt for a club, but there might be a desperate enough club to offer a pick around about 35.
Hooker, well he isn't a bad footballer but also he isn't a world beater (posters claiming he is worth a first round draft pick or two second round draft picks could be construed by non-essendon posters as being trolls) I would have his worth on the trade table as somewhere around about pick 35.
Bellchambers, I don't think he is that good, I would only offer a third round draft pick; clearly inferior to Jacobs and he went for a second round draft pick. Hampson and Warnock will quite possibly be on the market next trade period and I think most clubs would prefer either of those.
Pears, is a hard one to judge, a West Australian club might have some interest or a club short on KPDs but realistically you couldn't expect more than a third round draft pick.

The other thing over-hanging all this is the fact that essendon players may well be subject to sanctions for taking banned substances, so any club trading with essendon would need to take this into account. For the record I think Spangher is a better key position player than Pears and is comparable to Hooker in ability and talent.

Note, a number of carlton posters were suggesting Paul Bower at the end of 2011 was worth an early second round draft pick, as it was no one traded for him and he lasted just one more year on carlton's list before being delisted. If essendon are unable to trade some of these players mentioned then it wouldn't surprise me if they are delisted come the end of 2014.

Players imo are worth whatever other teams are willing to pay. Essendon were offered 2 picks in the 20s last year for Hooker why would it be any different this year, especially due to the fact he has had a much better season than last year in fact apart from Waite I don't think he has lost a contest this year and leads the completion in intercept marks. I'm not saying he is worth a first rounder but early second rounder isn't an unreasonable request imo, especially for a KPD.[/quote]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Essendon were keen on Dickson when we drafted him. Probably better performed than Gumbleton.

We don't need Dickson now, we have a few players that do his role. Good role player though.

Gumbleton will be an easy trade, 2nd or 3rd round. Simple.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What about Dahlhaus for Crameri or Gumby and a pick? Jetta is struggling in the two's and Davey is not having a great year. Dahl brings defensive pressure and has an x factor that could added a fair bit to the Bomber forward line. He would be good at the feet of the tall fowards at Essendon.

Would be the ONLY player I would let Crameri go for on the Dogs list that is achievable (note: Griffen isn't).

 

[sherrif]

What about Dahlhaus for Crameri or Gumby and a pick? Jetta is struggling in the two's and Davey is not having a great year. Dahl brings defensive pressure and has an x factor that could added a fair bit to the Bomber forward line. He would be good at the feet of the tall fowards at Essendon.

The Dockers obviously need a tall forward desperately. We have an excellent prospect in Sheridan who is rumoured to want to come home to Victoria. What do the Bombers fans think of a trade of Crameria for Sheridan and our first pick or a swap Sheridan and a second or third round pick for Gumbelton? We have plenty of room in our salary cap and could offer Crameri 400K plus to entice him to Freo.

 

[5 GB USB]

The Dockers obviously need a tall forward desperately. We have an excellent prospect in Sheridan who is rumoured to want to come home to Victoria. What do the Bombers fans think of a trade think of Crameria for Sheridan and our first pick or a swap Sheridan and a second or third round pick for Gumbelton? We have plenty of room in our salary cap and could offer Crameri 400K plus to entice him to Freo.

Crameri isn't worth a first rounder, so you would be paying overs.

 

[sherrif]

Crameri isn't worth a first rounder, so you would be paying overs.

Disagree on that. Crameri's running ability is perfectly suited to Subi. I reckon he would kick 40 goals plus in purple. Sheridan and pick no 1 definitely far from overs in my view for Crameri.

Out of interest does anyone know when Robbie Tarrant is out of contract? What do North supporters think he would be worth?

 

[Wild Bill]

Disagree on that. Crameri's running ability is perfectly suited to Subi. I reckon he would kick 40 goals plus in purple. Sheridan and pick no 1 definitely far from overs in my view for Crameri.

Out of interest does anyone know when Robbie Tarrant is out of contract? What do North supporters think he would be worth?

Tom Sheriden went at 16 - he is a young skinny kid that was always going to need time. I still think he will be ok. You look like you will have around pick 16 again- I would have thought that would be more than enough for Crameri. I suppose Tom could be steak knives if he was going to walk anyway.

Tarrant signed until the end of 2015. If I was Freo it would be Black I would chase - he is a WA boy and has looked very good in his 14 games.

 

[eth-dog]

Would take Crameri for Sheridan and a first round pick in a heartbeat

 

[Andronicus]

Sheridan and pick no 1 definitely far from overs in my view for Crameri.

Am I reading that right?

If you got hold of the first pick in the draft and offered it for Cram, I'd be ok with that.

 

[Ants]

Am I reading that right?

If you got hold of the first pick in the draft and offered it for Cram, I'd be ok with that.

He's talking about Fremantle's first pick, which will be a long way from pick #1 in the draft!

If we got a good youngster and a late first round pick for Crameri, you would have to at least consider it. We're going to lose someone, that's for certain. So trading one of the ones with higher currency could make sense. I wouldn't really want to see him go though. Love watching his play.

 

[longdaveyjetta]

If I'm deflecting then what are you? What is his value on the trade table coming into a draft which is rumoured to have depth, and is the first in several years which isn't significantly compromised?

Draft is not rumoured as you put it , to have depth, it's been reported it is a shallow draft.. he's no matthew Watson that's for sure...pick 25 and 26 last year = pick 10-15 this year..

 

[longdaveyjetta]

You are the 1st Essendon poster to stick up for melksham. Most weeks last year your mob was calling for him to be axed. Disappointing is an understatement.

Nah mate, you're trying hard but you're wrong, we love jake, he's no Ziebull...

 

[longdaveyjetta]

I remember having big debates on the value of Lovett. I argued that despite the fact he was a moron, and inconsistent, he was worth a first round pick. Because he brought things top sides needed, that weren't easy to get in the draft, and that he was matured (physically) and ready to go. Also, that draft picks were over-rated. I was right.

Most EFC fans have said they don't want to lose any of these players. The issue is not team structure, it will be the salary cap and some of the guys might want more opportunities. I don't think anyone has said Pears is worth a first rounder - but do think if he got back to his best whoever got him would be getting a bargain. Most EFC fans think Gumby may go for more than he's worth on output because of the potential, that he's been fit 18 months, and that there is demand for tall forwards. Realistically, Carlton, GC or the Bulldog's second round picks would be what we're hoping for if Gumby wants to leave, and that would be influenced by demand. On Hooker, you seem to be failing to understand that other clubs rated Hooker at two 2nd round picks last year. Yet you keep on bleating about a pick of value 35. Hooker is #1 in the league on intercept marks, and there was a HS article on the 22nd June that had him #9 in the league on kicking when graded for pressure, target etc. And nobody, including you, are able to point to any forwards who have beaten him this year beyond a short stint on Waite. He's beating his opponent, stopping attacks and setting us back up to counter. What exactly else do you want from a KP back????

And on the drugs issue, we'll know any sanctions by the time trade period comes up and sanctions didn't effect the desire for Tippett. So we would appreciate if you could please stop mentioning it as if its the sword of Damocles over the players value.

Bang!!!!!! I was just thinking that....Nice one...

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Out of interest does anyone know when Robbie Tarrant is out of contract?

End of 2015.

What do North supporters think he would be worth?

His upside is worth more than his current trade value. He's a 1st round KPP who has shown he can deliver and who has just reached full physical maturity. I'd be wanting the same pick we used to draft him (~15). A late 1st round pick.

 

[Wild Bill]

Nah mate, you're trying hard but you're wrong, we love jake, he's no Ziebull...

I don't have to try at all. There is an entire thread about Melksham on your team board for the world to see. Start about page 15 - he is the whipping boy at Essendon. You won't find another player at your club that cops as much as he does. Nice try.