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Asgardian said:
Technicalities be damned

Justice has to be seen to be done

It wont happen in this case
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When it gets down to the nitty gritty this sums it up pretty much.

I can empathise with just about every person on this planet, but it's difficult for me to do so with this "person" Very sad chapter in SA history.
 
Schism said:
Psychologists and Psychiatrists are guns for hire. It is easy to find one who will say a perfectly sound person is a fruit loop, and vice versa. No different to lawyers. Money talks.
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And this is why we have insurance (which will be affordable until Rann tries to **** us over with the national profession bullshit)
 
jo172 said:
And this is why we have insurance (which will be affordable until Rann tries to **** us over with the national profession bullshit)
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You think Rann hates lawyers? Then why has he changed workcover so that it has become a personal ATM for the South Australian legal profession ?
 
Bump.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/socie...s-on-trauma-20111116-1nizr.html#ixzz1dtmVPfb5

What might once have been defined as work angst, disappointment over failed aspirations or garden-variety performance management is now often considered workplace bullying or job-related trauma, which then gets transmitted through the lens of mental illness. The rise in disability claims is part of a broader societal change in the way we view the relationship between trauma, adversity and mental illness.
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The diagnostic label of PTSD has become a shorthand for all distress, and shifted from its initial rigorous formulation in the military context to a much looser one for civilians. The police are a great indicator of societal concepts of trauma for they represent a middle ground between the military and civilians.
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skilts said:
Not arguing this vehemently, because I too am not privy to all the details. However, if what you say is correct, surely there's a thin line between PTSD and panicking after such an event and fleeing - a decision which would possibly be completely out of character for the one who did it? Maybe such a panicked reaction could also be interpreted as being the result of trauma? Just a thought.
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and, we know that esteemed members of the community, get a pass, wide berth, no straight to jail, they get community chest.

They get the Dicky Bird benefit of doubt without the third umpire referral.
 
When I saw this thread had been revisited today I expected a hokey pokey about another member of the esteemed public servants of South Australia getting a slap on the wrist...

Although i agree with the decision she got today if her shrink who cast evidence wasn't a hired gun, however many thousands of lower class South aussies wouldn't get the same consideration.

I know a lad on the dole and a cone head doing 6 weeks with Von Eimen and his viagra prescriptions for doing a brakey with no licence.
 
jo172 said:
If Rann held his breath before getting on his lawyer hating Law & Order bandwagon I have no doubt McGee would be behind bars right now.
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showdownhero said:
What does this mean exactly?

What impact did Rann have on McGee receiving or not receiving jail time?
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Never really got an answer to this?

I understand they were overzealous in pursuing a conviction but how did that actually change the outcome.
 
showdownhero said:
Never really got an answer to this?

I understand they were overzealous in pursuing a conviction but how did that actually change the outcome.
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He was overcharged to begin with due to political pressure.

Thus double jeopardy and he couldn't be further charged and since then Rann and Atkinson tried to maintain an illusion that it wasn't actually their fault.

Rau comes along with a bit of common sense/legal nous and of course now he's the villain.

This saga was amongst the height of RannSpin.
 
jo172 said:
He was overcharged to begin with due to political pressure.

Thus double jeopardy and he couldn't be further charged and since then Rann and Atkinson tried to maintain an illusion that it wasn't actually their fault.

Rau comes along with a bit of common sense/legal nous and of course now he's the villain.

This saga was amongst the height of RannSpin.
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Gotcha, he was charged with death by dangerous driving, what would have been the most appropriate charge?
 
I share the concern of those about leaping to conclusions in court cases.
As distasteful as McGee's actions were, the legal profession could only act on his 'professionalism'. The courts had dealt with the hit-run and were privvy to evidence that we are not. It comes down to making a judgement on the probity of the courts and those judgements are being made within a context of outrage and lack of information about the details of the case.
On the surface, McGee's 'dismissal' doesn't sit easily with me, but nor does the knee jerk reactions that challenge court decisions/veracity through ignorance.
It smacks of justice by lynch mob. Outrage supplants evidence.
 
showdownhero said:
Gotcha, he was charged with death by dangerous driving, what would have been the most appropriate charge?
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TBH the most appropriate charge was the one he was convicted of. Probably shouldn't have shot my mouth off with the behind bars comment.

The conspiracy to pevert the cause of justice charges were beyond ridiculous/embarassing and everytime Xenophon or Atkinson appear with their arm around Di Gilchrist-Humphries it reeks of pathetic political opportunism. Both of them (well X anyway) know enough to know better. All they're doing is stoking public anger.
 

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A cyclist died because of this ****wits actions, he wasn't man enough to do the right thing immediately, dawdled and used his intricate knowledge of the legal system to give himself the biggest chance of beating these charges.
This is bullshit.
I couldn't care about this ***** legal rights, he's killed another person and acted cowardly to beat the charges.
PTSD, ffs give me a break.
Hopefully this weak prick will get hit by the karma bus in the near future.
 
FERRIS said:
A cyclist died because of this ****wits actions, he wasn't man enough to do the right thing immediately, dawdled and used his intricate knowledge of the legal system to give himself the biggest chance of beating these charges.
This is bullshit.
I couldn't care about this ***** legal rights, he's killed another person and acted cowardly to beat the charges.
PTSD, ffs give me a break.
Hopefully this weak prick will get hit by the karma bus in the near future.
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Morally, I agree completely.

But you do the same thing you don't try and get off rather than spend up to a decade in Yatala?

You might be a thoroughly honest and decent person who would say 'fair cop I did it' but I would suggest you'd be in the extreme minority.
 
You know Jo you are so caught up in your chosen profession you can't see the paragraphs from the sentances...

I got no money or rep to lose and if so i'll get looked ater by Dick smith or Micheal atckinson by saying what i'm about to.

People in the wheatsheaf (10 k's north of Kapunda) that day saw a group of people consisting of that one named here drinking numerous bottles of wines in a period of time very close to Ians accident that raises more than here say and others after Ian was run down on a notorious stretch of road saw the car leave Rowett street into a certain families property at speed and other vehicles leave at speed...

Now your opinion is based on lack of information not on reality that people choose not to share because they dont want to upset the apple cart and endanger the peacefull existence they have in a small town known for dodgy girls reformotories and triple murders, with this information you seem to bullying in my opinion and I say that because i recognise your intellignece as not being a fool to ignorance or lack of knowelage.

Then we could if we agreed get into what is precedence in South Australia.

Malcolm fox ring a bell?

Of course i am a diagnosed paranoid skitzophernic and no court could sue me for this like the those who tried sueing Peter Liddy for his pedophilia crimes that those named in here profited from denying the victims of his Kapunda estate.

and I am very drunk.

Of course i can provide a link to what i think you already know.
 
jo172 said:
Rayven, all that came out in the Royal Commission. I don't follow your point?
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You can't see the paragraphs for the sentances...and paragraphs don't include sentances censored for wahtever reasons

Your law is about what a magistrate or jury is told and instructed, the truth is a completly different thing.

I admit I bully with truth as you bully with law.

But i'll cope with truth failing better tha law failing.
 
rayven said:
You can't see the paragraphs for the sentances...and paragraphs don't include sentances censored for wahtever reasons

Your law is about what a magistrate or jury is told and instructed, the truth is a completly different thing.

I admit I bully with truth as you bully with law.

But i'll cope with truth failing better tha law failing.
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A) Truth isn't the basis of this society.

B) Truth is rarely objective and hence can't be the basis of a society.

All a potentially interesting discussion for another thread.

The simple fact is that if we start trying people by vauge, flexible rules of truth and justice you'll fast get the opposite occurring. This is a fantastic example of why the system is not perfect. But it's alot like Churchill's quote about democracy.
 

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So you think the system is as best as it can be and thus shoud defended as stoutly as it can?

Well I guess in circumstances you can be right but without people like me people like you would be feeding the arrogance and thus the corruption of people like Rann.
 
rayven said:
So you think the system is as best as it can be and thus shoud defended as stoutly as it can?
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I think it's pretty close, but that we certainly shouldn't not discuss possible improvements.

I think it's wrong to deliberately misinterpret and mislead the public regarding what the system is in order to score your own political points.
 
But thats the nature of the beast your (lack of better term) supporting.

The law picks and chooses its morales as it so wishes. Not that your wrong.

And its not the law or the system that is at direct blame , it's the personalities empowered with delivering it.
 
I saw Eugene in my pool supplies shop last weekend. He was just sitting there chatting away to the manager not a care in the world. It took me a second to place him, but when I did I was immediately wanted to smash him. Then I noticed he was wearing boat shoes and I wanted to smash him even more. Such a smug looking ****.
 

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