European Super League/Expanded Champions League Format Discussion

Would you favour the idea of a New European super league as reported?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 10.3%
  • No

    Votes: 138 83.6%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 10 6.1%

  • Total voters
    165

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Bostonian

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I wouldn’t know about Charlton, never been to one of their games
It depends position club is in. For Leeds fans before sh*t hit the fan after some moderate CL success would act similar to Spurs fans today ..oh we should be in top 4 yada yada.

More micro world of BF AFL forum, most fans act the same, teams that win multiple flags, those who don’t quite get there, those that don’t win finals for over 15 years...well ....ahem
Good and bad everywhere. I reckon % wise similar each club ...two or three posters that may sh*t you on here may magnify your negative WC feelings towards that particular club
I don't base my views on BF. I base it on 20 years of being around other fans on English forums.

It's how you come to realise some fan bases are far more racist than others, some fan bases are far more homophobic than others and some fan bases have a far more inflated view of themselves than others.

To point out another club whose fans were full of themselves and loved to let everyone know how they were a bigger better clubs than your club, Sheffield Wednesday. Just complete deluded dicks they were for a long, long time.
 

EskimoPAFC

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Well here is an adjusted super league system that I think is far more fair and provides the best of both worlds.

Division A 12 Teams
- Each team plays twice.
- Top 6 Qualify for final with 1 and 2 getting a bye while 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You get the point
- 2 Teams relegated to division B, with losers of 9v12 and 10v11 getting relegated.

Division B 16 Teams
- Each team plays twice
- No finals, just winners of 1v4 and 2v3 get promoted
- bottom 4 Teams eliminated back to their country competitions, replaced by 4 new clubs

How you decide who gets to be promoted, I'm not sure. I'm thinking at the end of every season, winner of EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and all the minor leagues have some form of qualifying to get them into the league. 4 teams qualify to get promoted. This way, you can still gain access to the league.

Teams to start the comp
Div A: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Juventus, Inter Milan, Bayern Munich, Dortmund, PSG
Div B: Sevilla, Valencia, Arsenal, Tottenham, AC Milan, Napoli, Roma, Leipzig, Lyon, Monaco, AJAX, Porto, Benfica, Shakhtar, Zenit, Galatasaray

Edit: Teams will still play in their domestic cups but no more domestic leagues
Funnily I was also thinking about this last night and came up with something somewhat similar. Here are my changes.

Division A 12 Teams. Division B 12 teams.

Super League winner is the team with the most wins in Division A over a 22 game season. No finals. Bottom 2-3 teams in Division A drop out, top 2-3 teams in Division B go up. Bottom 4 teams in Division B out, replaced (either via domestic placings/Europa/some sort of mix of the two).

For finals, the champions league still exists and is run concurrent to the Super League and largely in it's current format. Except, all teams in the Super League also automatically play UCL. The remaining 8 spots come from domestic placings/Europa finalists. What this would mean in practice in the EPL for example...

Let's say Man City and Man Utd would be Div A, Leicester in Div B, and let's say these three teams were top of EPL. There would then be room for one more spot, which could be won by whoever finished fourth - essentially exactly the same as it is now.

I feel this gives everybody what they want. RM gets to play against top sides across Europe and gets more big time games to keep money flowing. There is still a totally open competition that anyone in Europe can go up and down in. UCL itself is largely unchanged.

Edit: Also I disagree with your "teams to start the comp". Teams to start the comp should be based on current placings. Yes that means Leicester in and Liverpool out - as a Liverpool fan I'd relish the chance for us to win our way in legitimately.
 
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jd2010

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Listening to the athletic podcast and they did mention that the owners and directors don’t just have to pass the test when entering the league but every year (which obviously doesn’t work). Obviously the owners won’t be forced out, but directors at each of the 6 clubs will likely be sacrificed out of this.

They also touched on the biggest issue potentially regarding sanctions will come if it’s revealed all/any of the clubs leaked confidential information during the process of trying to start the ESL.
A director or two going doesn't change anything. The owners just find a replacement buddy who still holds similar views to their own.
 

Sphynx

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Well, well, well.

Arsenal Chief Executive Vinai Venkatesham confirms in a fan forum question time that there were fees involved for the sign up and the exit of the contracts for the ESL.

Not just a "proposed" league, aye?


 

pantskyle

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It is to some in this thread.

You never formally joined the league and it was just a "proposal" according to some in here.
It was announced fairly early on that 20 year contracts were signed.
I don't think any of the clubs are paying exit fees either as according to the idiot in Madrid it isn't dead, just on hold and the ESL isn't going to take legal action against any teams who signed up and left.
 

AG

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Well, well, well.

Arsenal Chief Executive Vinai Venkatesham confirms in a fan forum question time that there were fees involved for the sign up and the exit of the contracts for the ESL.

Not just a "proposed" league, aye?


KSE will probably cover up front and then take out debt on behalf of the club at a later date to reimburse themselves. I imagine the fees will be large.
 

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citizen-erased

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I'm only a casual fan of the EPL, don't even have a club I support.

Can you explain to me if this Tottenham trolling is a regular thing?

As in the same way we troll St Kilda for their perennial troubles, or people troll North for being poor?

Or is this a new thing with Tottenham? They've been trolled like crazy the last few days.
we're a bit of a running joke.
It's typically spursy to run up huge debts building a stadium to help us compete financially with the big boys, only for a global pandemic to hit just as we sack our best manager in years for a serial winner who needs funds to deliver. Then we sack him days before a cup final.

it's fun being a fan. never a dull moment.
 

Scratchy05

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Yeah nah.

Leicester wasn't a surprise? Liverpool won their first Premier League title last season. Man City were in tier 3 as recently as 1999. The relegation battles can be just as exciting as the top of the table. There's a chance West Ham will qualify for the Champions League for the first time ever.
Man City, Man Utd & Chelsea have won 17 of the past 21 titles. Call that exciting?
 

Scratchy05

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Funnily I was also thinking about this last night and came up with something somewhat similar. Here are my changes.

Division A 12 Teams. Division B 12 teams.

Super League winner is the team with the most wins in Division A over a 22 game season. No finals. Bottom 2-3 teams in Division A drop out, top 2-3 teams in Division B go up. Bottom 4 teams in Division B out, replaced (either via domestic placings/Europa/some sort of mix of the two).

For finals, the champions league still exists and is run concurrent to the Super League and largely in it's current format. Except, all teams in the Super League also automatically play UCL. The remaining 8 spots come from domestic placings/Europa finalists. What this would mean in practice in the EPL for example...

Let's say Man City and Man Utd would be Div A, Leicester in Div B, and let's say these three teams were top of EPL. There would then be room for one more spot, which could be won by whoever finished fourth - essentially exactly the same as it is now.

I feel this gives everybody what they want. RM gets to play against top sides across Europe and gets more big time games to keep money flowing. There is still a totally open competition that anyone in Europe can go up and down in. UCL itself is largely unchanged.

Edit: Also I disagree with your "teams to start the comp". Teams to start the comp should be based on current placings. Yes that means Leicester in and Liverpool out - as a Liverpool fan I'd relish the chance for us to win our way in legitimately.
One season isn't indicative of that though, especially in a covid year. Should be performance over a considerable time. The UEFA club coefficient is far fairer. Besides that, I like it a lot. Idea needs to be taken more seriously.
 

EskimoPAFC

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One season isn't indicative of that though, especially in a covid year. Should be performance over a considerable time. The UEFA club coefficient is far fairer. Besides that, I like it a lot. Idea needs to be taken more seriously.
Yes if they go with the top 12 in the UEFA coefficient I'd be fine with that. As long as whatever system they use for selection is clear, unbiased and based on performance.

That was my biggest issue with this proposal from the start - there was nothing elite about the teams that were in.
 

Zidane98

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Pretty clear now that the only reason we joined was to bait Real. Left at the first opportunity knowing they wouldn't and now we automatically progress to the final.

Galaxy brain thinking from the board.
I would imagine the team who Real played in the quarter finals go through if they are out :D:D:D
 

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