European Super League/Expanded Champions League Format Discussion

[Scratchy05]

Not that much less exciting than Tigers, Hawks and Cats winning 10 of last 14 titles.

None have been near the top for all of that time. The Hawks are currently on the bottom, The tigers were nothing for 9 of those 5 years. Also funny how you stopped at a smaller sample size. Using the same sample size so since 2000, those teams have still only won 10/21. Not even half.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Well 10/12 teams were in the top 12 of the UEFA Coefficient rankings and both Milan teams have been very successful this century.

None have been near the top for all of that time. The Hawks are currently on the bottom, The tigers were nothing for 9 of those 5 years. Also funny how you stopped at a smaller sample size. Using the same sample size so since 2000, those teams have still only won 10/21. Not even half.

Well then you’ll have to account for 3 Lions flags in a row.

 

[moomba]

Yes if they go with the top 12 in the UEFA coefficient I'd be fine with that. As long as whatever system they use for selection is clear, unbiased and based on performance.

That was my biggest issue with this proposal from the start - there was nothing elite about the teams that were in.

The problem with that is that for a club outside the top 12 it's very hard to increase that co-efficient as you don't qualify for European comps and if you do you tend to be in a lower seeding pot and get a much harder draw.

The system is set up against clubs breaking into that top echelon.

 

[Lebbo73]

You’d be pretty well f’ed if that happened.

25 or probably 30 points would be perfect if it stops City from winning.

 

[Scratchy05]

Well then you’ll have to account for 3 Lions flags in a row.

Since 2000, Essendon, Brisbane, Port, Sydney, West Coast, Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood & Richmond have all won a flag with all team bar Carlton and Gold Coast making a grand final.

That is 9/18 possible teams and 2 of which were only introduced recently so more like 9/17. As for teams who have made the grand final. 16/18 have had the chance to win a grand final, being there on the day the ball was bounced.

As for the EPL, only Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leicester and both Manchester teams have won. That is only 6/20 spots available each year. And mind you, many more teams have played in the league in this time.If you look at all the teams who havefinished top 2, the only new addition is Tottenham. so 7/20.There is no parity in soccer.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Since 2000, Essendon, Brisbane, Port, Sydney, West Coast, Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood & Richmond have all won a flag with all team bar Carlton and Gold Coast making a grand final.

That is 9/18 possible teams and 2 of which were only introduced recently so more like 9/17. As for teams who have made the grand final. 16/18 have had the chance to win a grand final, being there on the day the ball was bounced.

As for the EPL, only Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leicester and both Manchester teams have won. That is only 6/20 spots available each year. And mind you, many more teams have played in the league in this time.If you look at all the teams who havefinished top 2, the only new addition is Tottenham. so 7/20.There is no parity in soccer.

Like someone else said AFL has had over 30 years of drafting and salary caps. If you look at last 14 years, which if you like it or not is significant time to compare, then difference should be far greater

 

[citizen-erased]

If Real Madrid and Barcalona need more cash they should just join the Premier League.

They don't need the cash. They want it.
Dual swoop on Mbappe & Haaland for Madrid
Barca looking at reacquiring Neymar while picking up Lautaro

La Liga could do with it too.

 

[swingdog]

They don't need the cash. They want it.
Dual swoop on Mbappe & Haaland for Madrid
Barca looking at reacquiring Neymar while picking up Lautaro

La Liga could do with it too.

There was a good Economist podcast about it noting that its essentially a battle between open (with relegation) and closed sporting leagues. Owners do better financially out of closed leagues and football is a relative outlier in having open competition and relegation.

They did point out that closed leagues are generally marked by salary caps and drafts, which would require a pretty dramatic change to how football is structured and run.

 

[Zidane98]

Barca still in for Super League. According to some that means they have entered a team in the competition even though it doesn't exist.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

I think it is the utter absurdity of a club with a grand total of 2 league titles supposing it is "super". Clubs like Everton and Aston Villa have more history in the away dressing rooms toilet.

And Leeds. Don't forget Leeds.

 

[RossFC]

Barca still in for Super League. According to some that means they have entered a team in the competition even though it doesn't exist.

Are Real and Barca so cooked that this is their only option?

 

[Zidane98]

Are Real and Barca so cooked that this is their only option?

Not at all, they still make plenty of good cash in La Liga. I doubt the Spanish FA would let them join the ESL in any case, it's a 100% non starter without the Spanish FA getting on board.

 

[Lebbo73]

How long does everyone here expect the clubs to keep operating at a loss? I’m against the ESL but I can understand why the clubs wanted the dough. You can’t keep the crowds out forever over a virus and then wonder why club owners are getting antsy over losing money. Don’t get me wrong, Barcelona, AC Milan and Juventus dug their own holes. It’s time to give the clubs hope an open the gates.

 

[DaRick]

Fans: 1
Plutocrats: 0

 

[Zidane98]

From next season there should be at least 50% crowds for 6 months than full capacity thereafter but with the requirement of vaccinated spectators IMO.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

The problem with that is that for a club outside the top 12 it's very hard to increase that co-efficient as you don't qualify for European comps and if you do you tend to be in a lower seeding pot and get a much harder draw.

The system is set up against clubs breaking into that top echelon.

Yes but note that this would just be for the initial invite. After that it's game on and coefficient becomes irrelevant.

 

[Magma]

the poorly run clubs have used corona as an excuse to push this ahead, not their years of poor financial control and willingness to stunt the growth of their own leagues for personal gain. now all of a sudden these clubs can't afford to run at a loss, after racking up large debts and/or using the club as their own personal financer. or they have just stood still in an evolving landscape, and old money just isnt worth as much as old money in the present day.

 

[jd2010]

the poorly run clubs have used corona as an excuse to push this ahead, not their years of poor financial control and willingness to stunt the growth of their own leagues for personal gain. now all of a sudden these clubs can't afford to run at a loss, after racking up large debts and/or using the club as their own personal financer. or they have just stood still in an evolving landscape, and old money just isnt worth as much as old money in the present day.

Even as a profitable one Levy tried using corona as an excuse. His "apology" was by far the least sincere of the lot too

 

[moomba]

Interesting suggest from former FA chairman Greg Dyke suggesting the government should set up an independent regulator for football.

Think it would be good.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

And Leeds. Don't forget Leeds.

 

[Sphynx]

Has Perez been playing 4d chess this whole time?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

What makes Spurs fans think Leeds fans give a s**t?

 

[RossFC]

 

[Blue1980]

we're a bit of a running joke.
It's typically spursy to run up huge debts building a stadium to help us compete financially with the big boys, only for a global pandemic to hit just as we sack our best manager in years for a serial winner who needs funds to deliver. Then we sack him days before a cup final.

it's fun being a fan. never a dull moment.

Somehow find the time to sack a manager during the 48 hours the super league was a thing too.

 

[Blue1980]

Round it up to 40.

Also decide for something different, relegate 6 sides that season.