European Super League/Expanded Champions League Format Discussion

[Zidane98]

According to news from Germany, the ESL was being funded by Saudi Arabia with JP Morgan acting as a middle man. Putin was responsible for Chelsea pulling out (Gazprom links and also why Zenit declined to join). The UAE asked Man City to withdraw because they didn't want to be associated with the KSA and wanted to build an image as a progressive country (lol). And Perez netted 6.5 billion Euros from Saudi Arabia to build a Arabian style Las Vegas (massive lol).


Most of that would sound like horse sh*t on the surface but when you dig it is believable and some of what was said has been reported elsewhere, mainly the Chelsea/Putin/Gazprom/Zenit stuff.

And some believe politics werent involved.

Also explains why PSG never got a look in.

ESL seems it could be another middle eastern sportswashing project. Saudis arent allowed to buy a club so tried to buy a whole league instead.

 

[moomba]

And some believe politics werent involved.

Also explains why PSG never got a look in.

ESL seems it could be another middle eastern sportswashing project. Saudis arent allowed to buy a club so tried to buy a whole league instead.

PMSL.

 

[Established1870]

And some believe politics werent involved.

Also explains why PSG never got a look in.

ESL seems it could be another middle eastern sportswashing project. Saudis arent allowed to buy a club so tried to buy a whole league instead.

PSG were still invited so I don't think it was too politically motivated. From what I've seen and read, it's been suggested that this was Perez looking for Saudi backing (lines up with the Saud Vegas deal). Makes sense too because Perez has wanted a super league for years and the Saudi's have wanted to get heavily intertwined in the upper echelons of football for years as well. These two getting together was probably a match made in heaven.

Also should note that the newspaper in Germany responsible for this were the ones who broke the news about Dortmund being hugely in debt (and this was massive news in Germany at the time) and were lead collaborators in the Panama Papers coverage. So I'm trusting these guys 100% considering their track record.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Would have the benefit of preventing a super league repeat in the future.

An immediate 20 point deduction will be a painful lesson that wont be forgotten.

It needs to happen.

Making the owners to 50+1 to the club members will make sure a super league really does not happen.

 

[RPCB]

Let’s not forget Woodward’s link with JP Morgan. ManU were into it up to their eyeballs

So if Ed Woodward was never an accountant with JP Morgan in the 1990’s, Manchester United would never have gone into this Super League? Woodward and the Glazers are scumbags and this super league would have still been created without that link to JP Morgan. I am thrilled that Woodward has resigned from United (unfortunately it’s not effective until the end of the year) and the Glazers can * off, too.

 

[chef]

Making the owners to 50+1 to the club members will make sure a super league really does not happen.

And how do the members get the money to do thiis?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

So if Ed Woodward was never an accountant with JP Morgan in the 1990’s, Manchester United would never have gone into this Super League?

He was an investment banker who was directly involved with deal of Glazers purchasing ManU. I’m simply pointing out that it appears ManU and Woodward were big players in it. Certainly in regards to funding side of it

 

[RPCB]

He was an investment banker who was directly involved with deal of Glazers purchasing ManU. I’m simply pointing out that it appears ManU and Woodward were big players in it. Certainly in regards to funding side of it

I totally agree with you mate. Not that this is surprising but it does suck that they were big players in the ESL. Filthy bastards the lot of them.

 

[RPCB]

Would have the benefit of preventing a super league repeat in the future.

An immediate 20 point deduction will be a painful lesson that wont be forgotten.

It needs to happen.

As much as people think there should be a points deduction, there won’t be. When there is money as stake, there won’t be. A 20 point deduction would effectively eliminate Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs from Europe next season. Could you imagine how many gamers there would be amongst them and how many would not buy next seasons FIFA because their clubs aren’t in Europe next season? Why is that important? Because the Premier League and EA Sports have a long running partnership. The FA have certainly thought of that. Money is the bottom line.

Just like these clubs won’t be relegated (another sanction I have heard online). I find this suggestion particularly weird. Why punish the Championship sides? What chance have any of them got of moving out of their division and reaching the Premier League if the big 6 all drop down? You're just bringing up the drawbridge for 2 seasons. It seems that some people are less outraged at the little clubs being shafted, as much as they want to stick it to the big clubs.

If anyone is hoping for a points deduction, they will be sorely disappointed. A huge fine is the most that will happen and if we are being honest, it does feel like it’s back to business as usual with the FA and not even a fine is forthcoming.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

If anyone is hoping for a points deduction, they will be sorely disappointed. A huge fine is the most that will happen and if we are being honest, it does feel like it’s back to business as usual with the FA and not even a fine is forthcoming.

You can't really do anything when for all the commotion that's occurred, nothing's happened.

 

[Established1870]

And how do the members get the money to do thiis?

Supporters wouldn't need to fork out for this. The UK government have laws stating quite clearly that they can nationalize British businesses and institutions if it's in the best interests of the British people. This generally requires a forced sale at fair market value and has happened plenty of times under Tories and Labour. The cost for it would be a drop in the ocean for the government, they would likely get the money back anyway in due time from the money clubs owe, and it would ensure that Boris is PM for the next 20 years.

Seeing as though the UK's biggest assets for global soft power came under massive threat from foreign investors, one of whom is a citizen of a hostile country, nationalizing them keeps their key assets and institutions in British hands and gets them an ungodly election boost for god knows how long. 99% of politicians with a brain would be pushing day and night for this because if they attached their names to this legislation and it got through (and if presented to Parliament, it would), they'd never have to worry about getting voted out again.

 

[chef]

Supporters wouldn't need to fork out for this. The UK government have laws stating quite clearly that they can nationalize British businesses and institutions if it's in the best interests of the British people. This generally requires a forced sale at fair market value and has happened plenty of times under Tories and Labour. The cost for it would be a drop in the ocean for the government, they would likely get the money back anyway in due time from the money clubs owe, and it would ensure that Boris is PM for the next 20 years.

Seeing as though the UK's biggest assets for global soft power came under massive threat from foreign investors, one of whom is a citizen of a hostile country, nationalizing them keeps their key assets and institutions in British hands and gets them an ungodly election boost for god knows how long. 99% of politicians with a brain would be pushing day and night for this because if they attached their names to this legislation and it got through (and if presented to Parliament, it would), they'd never have to worry about getting voted out again.

Seems like wishful thinking.

 

[pantskyle]

He was an investment banker who was directly involved with deal of Glazers purchasing ManU. I’m simply pointing out that it appears ManU and Woodward were big players in it. Certainly in regards to funding side of it

Not sure that anyone is debating that.

 

[Sphynx]

 

[Sphynx]

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Good to hear the historic spots bs decision now may be reversed

 

[Lebbo73]

Making the owners to 50+1 to the club members will make sure a super league really does not happen.

It’s a stupid idea

 

[Marcel Proust]

According to news from Germany, the ESL was being funded by Saudi Arabia with JP Morgan acting as a middle man. Putin was responsible for Chelsea pulling out (Gazprom links and also why Zenit declined to join). The UAE asked Man City to withdraw because they didn't want to be associated with the KSA and wanted to build an image as a progressive country (lol). And Perez netted 6.5 billion Euros from Saudi Arabia to build a Arabian style Las Vegas (massive lol).


Most of that would sound like horse sh*t on the surface but when you dig it is believable and some of what was said has been reported elsewhere, mainly the Chelsea/Putin/Gazprom/Zenit stuff.

Putin is a busy boy

 

[jd2010]

Supporters wouldn't need to fork out for this. The UK government have laws stating quite clearly that they can nationalize British businesses and institutions if it's in the best interests of the British people. This generally requires a forced sale at fair market value and has happened plenty of times under Tories and Labour. The cost for it would be a drop in the ocean for the government, they would likely get the money back anyway in due time from the money clubs owe, and it would ensure that Boris is PM for the next 20 years.

Seeing as though the UK's biggest assets for global soft power came under massive threat from foreign investors, one of whom is a citizen of a hostile country, nationalizing them keeps their key assets and institutions in British hands and gets them an ungodly election boost for god knows how long. 99% of politicians with a brain would be pushing day and night for this because if they attached their names to this legislation and it got through (and if presented to Parliament, it would), they'd never have to worry about getting voted out again.

Govt owned football clubs?

Is this the USSRPL?

 

[moomba]

Supporters wouldn't need to fork out for this. The UK government have laws stating quite clearly that they can nationalize British businesses and institutions if it's in the best interests of the British people. This generally requires a forced sale at fair market value and has happened plenty of times under Tories and Labour. The cost for it would be a drop in the ocean for the government, they would likely get the money back anyway in due time from the money clubs owe, and it would ensure that Boris is PM for the next 20 years.

Seeing as though the UK's biggest assets for global soft power came under massive threat from foreign investors, one of whom is a citizen of a hostile country, nationalizing them keeps their key assets and institutions in British hands and gets them an ungodly election boost for god knows how long. 99% of politicians with a brain would be pushing day and night for this because if they attached their names to this legislation and it got through (and if presented to Parliament, it would), they'd never have to worry about getting voted out again.

Clubs would just move offshore. Man United is a Cayman Islands company already.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Supporters wouldn't need to fork out for this. The UK government have laws stating quite clearly that they can nationalize British businesses and institutions if it's in the best interests of the British people. This generally requires a forced sale at fair market value and has happened plenty of times under Tories and Labour. The cost for it would be a drop in the ocean for the government, they would likely get the money back anyway in due time from the money clubs owe, and it would ensure that Boris is PM for the next 20 years.

Seeing as though the UK's biggest assets for global soft power came under massive threat from foreign investors, one of whom is a citizen of a hostile country, nationalizing them keeps their key assets and institutions in British hands and gets them an ungodly election boost for god knows how long. 99% of politicians with a brain would be pushing day and night for this because if they attached their names to this legislation and it got through (and if presented to Parliament, it would), they'd never have to worry about getting voted out again.

Man U alone has a $6b price on it. Assuming the owners were happy to remain under 50+1, that means the govt is spending ballpark $15b to buy football clubs that they then have no say over how they are run (assuming the 50+1 share is gifted to membership)

Most likely, the govt will have to buy the entire thing, which doubles the bill.

I get the appeal of the move, but these clubs are too damn expensive now.


Also with Man U fans pointing out the Glazers have connections to Epstein, I doubt they will be in any mood to co-operate with the fan base any time soon (esp after today's pitch invasion protest)

 

[moomba]

 

[jod23]

I honestly think a two or even three year ban from the CL would be a good punishment.

Sure Bayern would just win the European Cup 2-3 years in a row but it would massively hurt the big clubs financially and players would leave. That would hurt the clubs the most.

 

[moomba]

I honestly think a two or even three year ban from the CL would be a good punishment.

Sure Bayern would just win the European Cup 2-3 years in a row but it would massively hurt the big clubs financially and players would leave. That would hurt the clubs the most.

If the settlement story is correct I'd be amazed if it was more than a fine and maybe some admin punishments. No club would willingly agree any Champions league ban so quick. They'd still be arguing with UEFA and would be for years.

 

[jod23]

If the settlement story is correct I'd be amazed if it was more than a fine and maybe some admin punishments. No club would willingly agree any Champions league ban so quick. They'd still be arguing with UEFA and would be for years.

Oh yeah for sure, that's all it will be but IMO it should be far worse.

UEFA need Liverpool, Utd, Barca, Real etc etc in the CL. So they wont want that outcome any more than the clubs would.