Everybody loves a good defense.....give me some points in the 'For' column!

[flinchfree]

Of course everyone loves a good defense, much easier on the ticker and blood pressure, but give me some points in the For column each year and I'll show you a successful side.

Under Clarko:
H&A
Year Games Played Finished Points 'For' Where that placed in the comp 'For'

Year	Games Played	H&A Finished	Points 'For'	Where that placed in the comp 'For'
2005	22	14th	1904	15/16
2006	22	11th	1834	14/16
2007	22	5th	2097	9/16
2008*	22	2nd	2434	3/16
2009	22	9th	1962	10/16
2010	22	7th	2044	6/16
2011	22	3rd	2355	3/17
2012	22	1st	2679	1/18
2013*	22	1st	2523	1/18

2014*	22	2nd	2458	1/18
2015*	22	3rd	2452	1/18
2016	22	3rd	2134	6/18
2017	22	12th	1864	13/18
2018	22	4th	1972	6/18
2019	22	9th	1742	11/18
2020	17	15th	1004	11/18
2021	22	14th	1629	13/18

Aaaaaaaaaaaargh
Can't
Do
Freakin
Layout..................

 

[bumsonseats]

Not exactly sure what you are looking for based on tables you have provided so far, but the thing I am most looking forward to with our Defence in the coming years is our ability to intercept opposition kicks into our D50. We have some very good marking power down back. Sicily, Schrim, Day, CJ can all take a good grab down back, and Frosty is decent as well. DGB is also a very good prospect as an intercept marker.

We also have some exceptional users of the ball by foot in our back half........sicily in particular, but you can also throw in Day and Schrim, and CJ looks solid.
We will be dangerous down back once this group matures.

I still think we need to bring another young KPD onto the list to develop over the next couple of years.

 

[Brishawk]

The hawthorn 2015 team sits approximately on what I am going to call the 'parity line' (Geelong 2007 and 2009 also on this line), which represents a balanced offence and defence (remembering that the squiggle indicates the relative offence and defence ratings compared to other sides in the competition). Every single premier since that 2015 Hawthorn side sits below the parity line, plus the 2012 Swans team is also there. Given both the dogs and dees (the red hot favourite) sit below the parity line, we can conclude that since 2012, 70% of premiers (from 10 seasons) have been significantly better defensively than offensively, relative to the rest of the league. And the other 3 times, it was the Hawthorn threepete, which is a high watermark for any team. And if you examine the threepete, we can observe that from 2013 to 2015, the team became more defensive each year. The 2012 Hawthorn had an offensive rating of over 75 going into the 2012 grand final. In conclusion, unless you can completely buck the trend that has gripped the league for the past decade, being the best defensive team is a lot more likely to lead you to premiership glory than being a great offensive team.

 

[Buzz Hawk]

My head hurts.

 

[burger09]

Is it easier to...

A. learn to defend first then find ways of improving your offence.

B. learn to score heavily then refine your defence to limit the oppositions scores.

I'll take option B.
If you have a team capable of scoring goals you are more than half way there.

Malcolm Blight vs Ross Lyon ????

Extremes don't work. You must have balance.

 

[Brishawk]

Is it easier to...

A. learn to defend first then find ways of improving your offence.

B. learn to score heavily then refine your defence to limit the oppositions scores.

I'll take option B.
If you have a team capable of scoring goals you are more than half way there.

Malcolm Blight vs Ross Lyon ????

Extremes don't work. You must have balance.

It’s a great question. Looking at Richmond, they were slightly more defensive than offensive based on the squiggle ratings. For them, their defence created their offence. So hard to see them learning to attack before learning to defend. Not all teams would be the same.

ps the crows of 1997-1998 were reasonably balanced and beat teams that were higher offensively rated but with a lower defensive rating

 

[Hawk Dork]

It’s a great question. Looking at Richmond, they were slightly more defensive than offensive based on the squiggle ratings. For them, their defence created their offence. So hard to see them learning to attack before learning to defend. Not all teams would be the same.

ps the crows of 1997-1998 were reasonably balanced and beat teams that were higher offensively rated but with a lower defensive rating

We are going to have a very attacking defence but we will need to find or develop some goal kickers and defensive forwards to keep it in or pressure the exit so its likely to come back in.
It would be easier to attack and defend if we could dance it out of the middle regularly.