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Do we pay coaches in the VAFA and what would be the price range for an ex AFL player to coach .
I am wondering as the Essendon Dist FL and the easten FL seem to have a lot of recently retired ex AFL players as coaches in their ranks why can we not attract these Ex AFL players to the VAFA
 
From my understanding, I think there is a maximum amount that a club can pay any coach in the VAFA, where as other suburban leagues don't have a cap as such. In addition to this the coach's salary is less if he is a playing coach (just ask anyone from Peninsula OB. They were found guilty & penalised with demotion as their coach started playing, getting paid the same amount.

Furthermore if you were an ex-AFL player & still capable of playing suburban footy, you would go to the comps that didn't have much of a restriction on payment, like EDFL & EFL wouldn't you, so you could get more $$$.

Don;t get me wrong ex AFL players do come to the VAFA as coaches, but they are well compensated by "gifts" in the higher grades or they are well past playing even for the lower grades (Martin Pike & Richard Osborne are examples of this)

Anyone feel free to jump in here to correct me :)
 
Sniper 20 said:
From my understanding, I think there is a maximum amount that a club can pay any coach in the VAFA, where as other suburban leagues don't have a cap as such. In addition to this the coach's salary is less if he is a playing coach (just ask anyone from Peninsula OB. They were found guilty & penalised with demotion as their coach started playing, getting paid the same amount.

Furthermore if you were an ex-AFL player & still capable of playing suburban footy, you would go to the comps that didn't have much of a restriction on payment, like EDFL & EFL wouldn't you, so you could get more $$$.

Don;t get me wrong ex AFL players do come to the VAFA as coaches, but they are well compensated by "gifts" in the higher grades or they are well past playing even for the lower grades (Martin Pike & Richard Osborne are examples of this)

Anyone feel free to jump in here to correct me :)
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Sniper, you have NFI. What are you on about with the comment "gifts"?
Clubs can pay coaches whatever they like. If they are a playing coach then the maximum they can receive is $1500. Very rare for a playing coach as it doesnt look good from an amateur perspective. The VAFA do a good job at policing this as Peninsula can attest to. Beauy pushed the boundaries recently and got heavily scrutinised by the VAFA.
Get your facts right before leading people down the wrong path.
 
Take it easy mate, no need to jump down my throat. I didn't intend to turn this into a "players/coaches do/don't get paid in the VAFA" argument because we know they do. I said anyone can jump in to correct me & going by your post I'm only slightly off the money.

But whilst we are on the subject, an example of a gift. Do you think Jamie Shanahan, a coach of Old Haileybury (if he does have kids) wouldn't have the school fees for his kids covered for him down there at Keysborough? Give me a break
 

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I Knew Martin Pyke was there at power house and he took awhile to get power house up and running and they came home like a stream train
i did not Know about Richard osbourne Where was he coaching ?
Stephen McPherson is at Marcilin for next year but that would only be three out of roughly 75 teams thats not a very good average .
surley we could get some non playing coaches that jhave been outoff the system for few years even if ti was 5 years they would still have current ideas and training methods
 
Sniper 20 said:
But whilst we are on the subject, an example of a gift. Do you think Jamie Shanahan, a coach of Old Haileybury (if he does have kids) wouldn't have the school fees for his kids covered for him down there at Keysborough? Give me a break
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If he's a non-playing coach, what would be the issue (if something like that occurred)? There's no limit on how much money a coach gets paid, if they use other methods besides cash in compensating a coach for his efforts, so what?
 
Manni & Ken said:
If he's a non-playing coach, what would be the issue (if something like that occurred)? There's no limit on how much money a coach gets paid, if they use other methods besides cash in compensating a coach for his efforts, so what?
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I never effin said that there was. In fact if my club was in the same boat & able to do it, I'm sure we'd do it too. I don't have a chip on my shoulder I was defending myself against Birdie dum dum who said I have NFI & things like this don't happen
 
I now its hard to compete against the suburban leagues and their $ but it would be fantastic for the VAFA if we could get some more blokes like Pike and Osbourne in the lower grades to help lift the professionalism and standard of footy I met Martin pike a few time this year and he was a nice bloke he would have a yak to you win loose ir draw after the game and has some great ideas to help move powerhouse futher up the grades .
and it looks like the same thing with Richard Osbourne at Gryphons this year
 
Another one to add is Ian Aitken (Former Carlton VFL/AFL Player) who is coaching Kew FC in D3 this year.
 
Sniper 20 said:
Take it easy mate, no need to jump down my throat. I didn't intend to turn this into a "players/coaches do/don't get paid in the VAFA" argument because we know they do. I said anyone can jump in to correct me & going by your post I'm only slightly off the money.

But whilst we are on the subject, an example of a gift. Do you think Jamie Shanahan, a coach of Old Haileybury (if he does have kids) wouldn't have the school fees for his kids covered for him down there at Keysborough? Give me a break
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Surely your trying to wind me up. Shanahan has 3 kids and none of them have ever spent a day at a Haileybury campus.
You discredit yourself when you make allegations without any knowledge.
 

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Birdie Num Num said:
Surely your trying to wind me up. Shanahan has 3 kids and none of them have ever spent a day at a Haileybury campus.
You discredit yourself when you make allegations without any knowledge.
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You are missing the point. It was a hypothetical example of what goes on in the VAFA, may be I should of used a different person as said example. It is hardly an allegation when all of the above is entirely legal, or do you have a guilty consicence about other payments? No....don't answer that I'm winding you up now.

Here is a better example for you Birdie. One that I'm not hypothesising on

Steven Lawrence (ex Brisbane & St Kilda) although wasn't a coach at the time, was in a spot of bother with legal issues. Old Scotch came to the party & offered to pay for all his legal proceedings if he was to play for them. An example of a gift - purely OK in my book. They haven't paid him a cent, but Lawrence isn't out of pocket a large sum for court proceedings

Personally I can't believe why Haileybury haven't offered to put Shanahan's kids through school.
 
Sniper 20 said:
Also Steven Lawrence coached Caulfield Grammarians in C Grade this year
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Michael Oaten (2010 Ormond Coach) played for South Melbourne.

Andy Gowers is coaching Xavier in 2011

Matty Robbins coached Hampton in 2010

Peter Banfield coached Old Scotch in 2010

Simon Arnott coached Collegians in 2010

Jason Mifsud was on the coaching team at St Kilda before joining Beaumaris

Bernie Sheehy (Ajax) has some pedigree at the top level as well

There are plenty there when you look. The main reason EDFL clubs want ex AFL players is because they think they attract players. There are plenty of strong VAFA, EFL and NFL clubs that don't ex AFL coaches and they are stronger leagues.
 
Sniper, stick to the SFL boards, all you try to do is bring down the VAFA, FYI Shanahan is not coach of OH either.
Old Scotch allegedly pay Peter Banfield 50K per year because they can, Ajax around 30K for Sheehy.
Most ex AFL players play in our comp because they want a good standard of footy without the thuggery attached if they go to a money paying comp.
 
Sniper 20 said:
You are missing the point. It was a hypothetical example of what goes on in the VAFA, may be I should of used a different person as said example. It is hardly an allegation when all of the above is entirely legal, or do you have a guilty consicence about other payments? No....don't answer that I'm winding you up now.

Here is a better example for you Birdie. One that I'm not hypothesising on

Steven Lawrence (ex Brisbane & St Kilda) although wasn't a coach at the time, was in a spot of bother with legal issues. Old Scotch came to the party & offered to pay for all his legal proceedings if he was to play for them. An example of a gift - purely OK in my book. They haven't paid him a cent, but Lawrence isn't out of pocket a large sum for court proceedings

Personally I can't believe why Haileybury haven't offered to put Shanahan's kids through school.
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Sniper, don't believe you about Lawrence. How do you know this is fact or are you just guessing again.
 

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Brian speaking if thats the case, then thats a bucket load of money to be paying out for supposedly ammo club they must have some good sponcers with long pockets .
I know you said that there was no payment to the players but i can recall rumours of A grade and B grade slipping their players money when i was playing 20 years ago but it was done in the form of a bet.some one form the club says to player i bet you $200 you can not jump over this line and bugger me can you belive it the player was able to jump over the line and win the bet. The player did not get a match payment but he won a bet each week after the game
if so good luck to them LOL
 
BrianSpeaking said:
Sniper, stick to the SFL boards, all you try to do is bring down the VAFA, FYI Shanahan is not coach of OH either.
Old Scotch allegedly pay Peter Banfield 50K per year because they can, Ajax around 30K for Sheehy.
Most ex AFL players play in our comp because they want a good standard of footy without the thuggery attached if they go to a money paying comp.
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I can't see how I am putting the VAFA down, Old Scotch paying for a player's legal fees in return for their services is a form of bartering, a currency that was used for centuries. As you revealed they allegedly pay Peter Banfield 50K per year, I don't see how then what I posted was far fetched & outlandish if they can afford this figure for a coach, especially when it come form a good source. Or did you indeed pluck that figure from nowhere?

Maybe I'm not worthy to put my 20 cents worth in here anymore.
 
The rumours of Haileybury paying for players & coaches kids to be educated has reached mythical proportions. I’m not from OHAFC but I know that those from the club just scoff when these stories get rolled out year after year. The footy club does not have the means to bank roll school fees of about 120k per child over 6 years. If you took into account all of the players with multiple children who have allegedly been provided with free education you are talking over a million $. The footy club and school have never enjoyed a relationship that would stretch to that level of benevolence. While perhaps some employment inducements have been offered (eg Stewart Loewe director of football at the school) most of the stories are grossly exaggerated.
 
Keano15 said:
Michael Oaten (2010 Ormond Coach) played for South Melbourne.

Andy Gowers is coaching Xavier in 2011

Matty Robbins coached Hampton in 2010

Peter Banfield coached Old Scotch in 2010

Simon Arnott coached Collegians in 2010

Jason Mifsud was on the coaching team at St Kilda before joining Beaumaris

Bernie Sheehy (Ajax) has some pedigree at the top level as well

There are plenty there when you look. The main reason EDFL clubs want ex AFL players is because they think they attract players. There are plenty of strong VAFA, EFL and NFL clubs that don't ex AFL coaches and they are stronger leagues.
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Tim Powell (premiership coach at Monash Blues) played for the Tigers and in a Grand Final for Carlton.
 

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