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TradeDraft · May 9, 2015

ace andy said:
People should be excited to watch skill, daring and big marks regardless of the age. Why people get excited watching 18-22 olds run around makes me scratch my head.

Maybe we have players in the 18-22 Range that have way more upside then some players in the AFL Side

76woodenspooners · May 9, 2015

loki04 said:
... Has pace query, ...

He clearly doesn't have the burst speed of a Sinclair or a Seedsman or a Swan. And it's too early in his career to determine if he has the endurance of a Sidebottom or a Pendlebury ... all the more so given he was out of the game for around a year with an ankle injury.

... is slight build and knocked off the ball easily, ...

Sure, he needs to bulk up a bit, but he's still young and can do that.

... struggled defensively when not playing wing and essentially loose ...

He's only played 8 games, he's got time on his side to develop that aspect of his game

... and finally is a tad on the soft side. ...

How many naturally aggressive hard nuts do we have on our list? Williams, Adams, ... then it's a fair way down to Crisp, Frost, Brown, Cloke, ... then? Most players develop a hardness as they mature.

... Great kick generally, ...

Yes, one of the better kicks on our list.

... is finding it well and appears to read the play well. ...

Yes, he does

... Oxley is a nqr having a good year but will get found out once teams put time into him. ...

That could be said of every young player. And if he starts to make opposition accountable, that's not a bad thing.

Wont be an elite a grader.

Now Im not saying we don't have any talent on the list im saying of those exposed currently under 23 we don't have many if any genuine star material elite players coming through.

If you're right then that won't be such a bad thing. Better to have a well balanced team

BringouttheGimp · May 9, 2015

76woodenspooners said:
The future is indeed exciting ...

... I've collated a list profile below ...

... Thanks to Bay Pie for providing the contract status.

Young players who have shown us a bit of something and are likely to be the core of our team for many years to come ...

Elliott (22 yo, 58 games, contracted until Oct 2018)
Crisp (21 yo, 24 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Langdon (20 yo, 25 games, contracted until Oct 2018)
Frost (23 yo, 30 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Oxley (22 yo, 8 games, contracted until Oct 2015 )
Grundy (21yo, 28 games, contracted until Oct 2017)
Broomhead (21 yo, 12 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Seedsman (23 yo, 42 games, contracted until Oct 2015 )
Witts (21 yo, 28 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Williams (21 yo, 43 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Ramsay (20 yo, 7 games, contracted until Oct 2015 )
Adams (21 yo, 48 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Kennedy (21 yo, 20 games, contracted until Oct 2016)

Young players for whom it's just too early to say how they'll turn out, they'll want to put in a good 2015 season to get contract extensions ...

Gault (22 yo, 4 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
Karnezis (23 yo, 24 games, contracted until Oct 2015)

Christmas Presents waiting to be opened ...

Scharenberg (19 yo, 0 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
DeGoey (19 yo, 1 game, contracted until Oct 2016)
Moore (19 yo, 0 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Freeman (19 yo, 0 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
Marsh (19 yo, 0 games, contracted until Oct 2017)

Young players who have only just joined us, too early to say how they'll turn out ...

Maynard
Goodyear
Manteit
Abbott
Cox

Rolled Gold A grade mature players who still have many years of service ahead of them ...

Pendelbury (27 yo, 198 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Sidebottom (24 yo, 128 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Cloke (28 yo, 222 games, contracted until Oct 2017)

Rolled Gold A grade mature players who still have many years of service ahead IF their body is up to it ...

Brown (26 yo, 99 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Reid (26 yo, 99 games, contracted until Oct 2018)

Players who are Rolled Gold A grade but are in their last few years with us ...

Swan (31 yo, 242 games, contracted until Oct 2016)

Mature players who are solid contributors and still have many years of service ahead ...

Blair (25 yo, 108 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
Goldsack (27 yo, 130 games, contracted until Oct 2017)
Toovey (28 yo, 137 games, contracted until Oct 2017)
Varcoe (27 yo, 144 games, contracted until Oct 2017)
Greenwood (26 yo, 74 games, contracted until Oct 2018)

Mature players who are solid contributors and have many years of service ahead of them IF their body is up to it ...

Sinclair (23 yo, 46 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
McCaffer (27 yo, 73 games, contracted until Oct 2015)

Mature players whose form has been a bit down, but remain contracted for another few years ...

Fasolo (22 yo, 54 games, contracted until Oct 2016)
White (27 yo, 95 games, contracted until Oct 2016)

Players whose contract is about to expire and have an uncertain future with us due to form or injuries or age or ASADA, etc, etc ...

Dwyer (28 yo, 38 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
Young (29 yo, 137 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
Armstrong (25 yo, 35 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
Thomas (23 yo, 32 games, contracted until Oct 2015)
maKeeffe (25 yo, 40 games, contracted until Oct 2015)

Maynard is fantastic.. tough and laser like left foot. I can see a 150 gamer there. One of my favs

Green Eggs · May 9, 2015

I completely agree.. TBH, I was actually getting a bit bored of footy, especially during our era of dominance. I'm so excited to enjoy watching footy again and not knowing the result of each game before it happens!

ace andy · May 9, 2015

TradeDraft said:
Maybe we have players in the 18-22 Range that have way more upside then some players in the AFL Side

Upside is not exciting to watch. Actual results are. Upside simply means that maybe the players will be better than they are now. Its fine with list management decisions to take that into consideration but how do you get of the edge of your seat from that knowledge?

Matt_352 · May 9, 2015

BELIEVE

davywap · May 9, 2015

PieBeast said:
The future is bright part 12867432

Better reading than you and your friends' typical "Bucks is taking us backwards part gazillion". If you can't see we're on the rise again you are either a troll, and pessimistic fool or simply just clueless. People with common sense can see where we're headed, go piss somewhere else instead of on us.

davywap · May 9, 2015

ace andy said:
Upside is not exciting to watch. Actual results are. Upside simply means that maybe the players will be better than they are now. Its fine with list management decisions to take that into consideration but how do you get of the edge of your seat from that knowledge?

this post makes no sense

davywap · May 9, 2015

didn't take long for the usual suspects (who have noticeably been missing lately for some reason) to try and hijack the one positive thread to come out of last night's game. go back to your buckley trashing megathread trolls

ace andy · May 9, 2015

davywap said:
this post makes no sense

Then you clearly need to get a better education so you can read.

PieBeast · May 10, 2015

davywap said:
Better reading than you and your friends' typical "Bucks is taking us backwards part gazillion". If you can't see we're on the rise again you are either a troll, and pessimistic fool or simply just clueless. People with common sense can see where we're headed, go piss somewhere else instead of on us.

Such an angry little fella, guess being quite limited will do that to you.

Axl the great · May 10, 2015

loki04 said:
Of the young grp in our current 22 are going to be elite A grade talents?

Grundy maybe in his role.

Elliott? again maybe but his type can fade as fast as they rise ala Medhurst.

We all hope that Hine absolutely nailed the 13 and 14 drafts and are banking on Freeman Shaz DeGoey Moore and a smokey in Abbott to bringing some elite traits into what i would call a team occupied by a lot of hard working role players who have a fair bit of NQRs about them individually.

Kenno Broomy and others are nore then likely going to be good players without necessarily being elite.
Thats ok as long as we also get a couple absolute elite players out of the other groups.

This is so we don't find ourselves out gunned like so many other times we have in contention.
Atm Dogs GWS Suns have is pound 4 pound on talent. This is why playing the kids and having one more down year would be beneficial over trying to play vfl quality talent that will both negate afl development of top kids and doubly have us finish too high up the ladder to get the cream.

For a bloke most on here thought would not make it he's doing a pretty good job i reckon.

loki04 said:
Oxley is a nqr having a good year but will get found out once teams put time into him.
Has pace query, is slight build and knocked off the ball easily, struggled defensively when not playing wing and essentially loose and finally is a tad on the soft side.

Great kick generally, is finding it well and appears to read the play well. Wont be an elite a grader.

Now Im not saying we don't have any talent on the list im saying of those exposed currently under 23 we don't have many if any genuine star material elite players coming through.

DWil6 · May 10, 2015

Shocked that some wouldn't see excitement in watching young players develop. You'd have to be hard to please and if that's the case, life will rarely hold joy for you.
Nothing wrong with being positive. We are developing again. We may or may not win a premiership in the next 10 years. Most teams won't. But if you don't at least hope, you may as well give it away.

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jmac70 · May 10, 2015

PieBeast said:
Such an angry little fella, guess being quite limited will do that to you.

How is he limited?

PieBeast · May 10, 2015

jmac70 said:
How is he limited?

Well, he calls people with a different view on things trolls and fools and thinks he is in position to tell me who and what I should piss on.
And that's just for starters

Buena · May 10, 2015

South of the Yarra said:
It is so exciting watching youngsters come through. I will never ever forget sitting in the Sherrin stand at Pie Park in 1979 as the Pies smashed the Saints by 178 points. The excitement of the crowd that day as a young first gamer midfielder wearing number 35 weaved some magic through 3 or 4 Saints defenders only to see his first kick sail out of bounds on the full. The Macedonian Marvel was born and football at Collingwood would never be the same again. The magic had begun.

In my eyes, this Is an area we lack in. We need a skilful player, with freakish skills, and some X factor in the Daicos mould. We have recruited tough, ball winners, we need some attacking flair

jmac70 · May 10, 2015

PieBeast said:
Well, he calls people with a different view on things trolls and fools and thinks he is in position to tell me who and what I should piss on.
And that's just for starters

I quite like some of his posts and his avatar reminds me of eating guinea pigs.

ace andy · May 10, 2015

DWil6 said:
Shocked that some wouldn't see excitement in watching young players develop. You'd have to be hard to please and if that's the case, life will rarely hold joy for you.
Nothing wrong with being positive. We are developing again. We may or may not win a premiership in the next 10 years. Most teams won't. But if you don't at least hope, you may as well give it away.

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You know the difference between being positive on the future and excitement right? Some people here come off as if they would rather have a young team that isn't that good than a good old team. I think the list management has been pretty good and that makes me willing to wait for success. But I don't get excited by the fact that I have to wait years until it happens.

TradeDraft · May 10, 2015

ace andy said:
Upside is not exciting to watch. Actual results are. Upside simply means that maybe the players will be better than they are now. Its fine with list management decisions to take that into consideration but how do you get of the edge of your seat from that knowledge?

Maybe not in game time but it keeps you excited about the Future and not think we are just not getting any better

loki04 · May 10, 2015

I will get excited when these players are regulars in the 22 Degoey, Moore, Scharenberg, Marsh, Abbott, Maynard, Kennedy, Freeman and Broomhead.

When they ocupy 9 of the 22 spots I will be very excited until then i feel like i am watching place holders.

JB1975 · May 10, 2015

ace andy said:
You know the difference between being positive on the future and excitement right? Some people here come off as if they would rather have a young team that isn't that good than a good old team. I think the list management has been pretty good and that makes me willing to wait for success. But I don't get excited by the fact that I have to wait years until it happens.

There's always a wait for success, whether you're willing to wait for it or not. What I don't think you're understanding is that there is enjoyment to be had in just watching a developing list, seeing young players work out their strengths and limitations, getting excited about players who can seem like the second coming until they get delisted, watching unlikely 'spuds' turn into stars, taking two steps forward one week and then another step back the next...and then maybe snaffling a flag and crying like a fool in front of your own children while it happens.

But the thing is, sometimes the flags just don't come. Ask Collingwood supporters from the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. And if it isn't a steady stream of flags which is keeping you excited, then what is it? It's the game itself, week in and week out, good players and not-so-good, the spuds and the stars and the theatre of winning and losing. Success isn't promised in this game, and so if you can't get 'excited' by the game in the absence of such a guarantee, then maybe the game isn't for you.

ace andy · May 10, 2015

JB1975 said:
There's always a wait for success, whether you're willing to wait for it or not. What I don't think you're understanding is that there is enjoyment to be had in just watching a developing list, seeing young players work out their strengths and limitations, getting excited about players who can seem like the second coming until they get delisted, watching unlikely 'spuds' turn into stars, taking two steps forward one week and then another step back the next...and then maybe snaffling a flag and crying like a fool in front of your own children while it happens.

But the thing is, sometimes the flags just don't come. Ask Collingwood supporters from the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. And if it isn't a steady stream of flags which is keeping you excited, then what is it? It's the game itself, week in and week out, good players and not-so-good, the spuds and the stars and the theatre of winning and losing. Success isn't promised in this game, and so if you can't get 'excited' by the game in the absence of such a guarantee, then maybe the game isn't for you.

Ok. Then every game is exciting regardless of if they are good or young. So why bother saying young teams are exciting. Why not any team is exciting.

I find watching games fun and exciting but that is because I'm liking the game itself. I don't sit there on a wednesday overjoyed that we have half our team as 20 year olds. List management is something that needs to be done and can be interesting to discuss but I don't get how some people seem to get off over reading names on a list.

JB1975 · May 10, 2015

ace andy said:
Ok. Then every game is exciting regardless of if they are good or young. So why bother saying young teams are exciting. Why not any team is exciting.

I find watching games fun and exciting but that is because I'm liking the game itself. I don't sit there on a wednesday overjoyed that we have half our team as 20 year olds. List management is something that needs to be done and can be interesting to discuss but I don't get how some people seem to get off over reading names on a list.

It's the hope which makes it a bit more exciting, the hope that the team will take another step in the right direction, or the hope that one of those 20 year olds will start delivering on what they've promised. The 'names on a list' which can get some of us unduly excited are prospects, or hopes, and the fact that some of them will turn out great and some will turn out not-so-great is what creates the interest. Me, I'm enjoying Thursday nights, waiting to see if another young player will be given another chance to learn more about the game and his place within it. I know that De Goey won't kick five goals in a 35-possession game if he plays this week, but it's a fine thing just to watch and see how his skills (obvious at VFL level) translate and evolve in the AFL. Or BK. Or Marsh...there I go getting all excited again.

Maggie5 · May 10, 2015

ace andy said:
Ok. Then every game is exciting regardless of if they are good or young. So why bother saying young teams are exciting. Why not any team is exciting.

I find watching games fun and exciting but that is because I'm liking the game itself. I don't sit there on a wednesday overjoyed that we have half our team as 20 year olds. List management is something that needs to be done and can be interesting to discuss but I don't get how some people seem to get off over reading names on a list.

I'll get off when I see Sidebottom, Greenwood, Reid and the Caff back in the team. At the same time when DeGoey, Moore, Marsh, Freeman and Shaz debut, I will be off again.

Cousin of Daicos · May 10, 2015

We picked the right week to lose I guess. Pretty much everyone below us that mattered also lost. Got off lucky to be in third.

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