Science/Environment Explaining evolution and natural selection.

[Long Live HFC]

The point was, and I'll type this slow if you like, that an organism like the liver fluke in sheep and its extraordinary life creates a difficulty to evolutionary theory due to the fact that the remarkable stages in its life really can't have happened by gradual changes.

there's a term for that you know. i used it above. irreducible complexity. and it's nonsense. your buddies already lost the flagellum argument, and the liver fluke is (presumably) the latest poster child for religious pseudoscience.

In the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial, Behe gave testimony on the subject of irreducible complexity. The court found that "Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.

• A significant aspect of the IDM [intelligent design movement] is that despite Defendants' protestations to the contrary, it describes ID as a religious argument. In that vein, the writings of leading ID proponents reveal that the designer postulated by their argument is the God of Christianity. (page 26)
• The evidence at trial demonstrates that ID is nothing less than the progeny of creationism. (page 31)
• The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

 

[Total Power]

You really need some help my man

I dont need any help, you want the genocide of young children to happen with reason, you are the one who needs help..but according P35, murder is wrong, that even of young children...except......... yeah i know

 

[Bennett.]

there's a term for that you know. i used it above. irreducible complexity. and it's nonsense. your buddies already lost the flagellum argument, and the liver fluke is (presumably) the latest poster child for religious pseudoscience.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

Lost the flagellum argument? Well please tell me your considered opinion then on it!
There is some validity to irreducible complexity, unless of course, you can explaine the eye....

 

[Bennett.]

I dont need any help, you want the genocide of young children to happen with reason, you are the one who needs help..but according P35, murder is wrong, that even of young children...except......... yeah i know

I strongly encourage you to show where I supported genocide of children.
In fact, I demand it, otherwise you will be shown to be a liar and therefore untrustworthy in anything you say.

 

[CM86]

Lost the flagellum argument? Well please tell me your considered opinion then on it!
There is some validity to irreducible complexity, unless of course, you can explaine the eye....

Maybe you can explain the e?


Still waiting for you to fill us in with your knowledge about Asa Chandler and the quote you posted that you found "interesting".

Safe to say you'll never fill us in. Because you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Total Power]

I strongly encourage you to show where I supported genocide of children.
In fact, I demand it, otherwise you will be shown to be a liar and therefore untrustworthy in anything you say.

hahaha what the discussion in the irreligion thread, where young caananite children were killed and women were taken as slaves and you said "it makes sense"

 

[Long Live HFC]

Lost the flagellum argument? Well please tell me your considered opinion then on it!

lol, i already did that. even linked it for you, peanut, as well as the court case where behe had to sit there and admit his beliefs had no basis in science.

In contrast to Behe's claims, many proteins can be deleted or mutated and the flagellum still works, even though sometimes at reduced efficiency. In fact, the composition of flagella is surprisingly diverse across bacteria with many proteins only found in some species but not others. Hence the flagellar apparatus is clearly very flexible in evolutionary terms and perfectly able to lose or gain protein components. Further studies have shown that, contrary to claims of "irreducible complexity", flagella and related protein transport mechanisms show evidence of evolution through Darwinian processes, providing case studies in how complex systems can evolve from simpler components.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

There is some validity to irreducible complexity, unless of course, you can explaine the eye....

hahahaha. it's like you only learned of ID yesterday. look at you go!:

Intelligent design proponents attribute to an intelligent designer those biological structures they believe are irreducibly complex and therefore they say a natural explanation is insufficient to account for them. However, critics view irreducible complexity as a special case of the "complexity indicates design" claim, and thus see it as an argument from ignorance and as a God-of-the-gaps argument.

 

[Total Power]

hahaha what the discussion in the irreligion thread, where young caananite children were killed and women were taken as slaves and you said "it makes sense"

and also taken women as sex slaves makes sense to you, you are a *****. So god ordered that, he must be right, your peaceful god, couldnt even spare his own children who are his own creation. And you are here playing the morality card.

 

[Bennett.]

Maybe you can explain the e?


Still waiting for you to fill us in with your knowledge about Asa Chandler and the quote you posted that you found "interesting".

Safe to say you'll never fill us in. Because you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

try reading again.

 

[Bennett.]

hahaha what the discussion in the irreligion thread, where young caananite children were killed and women were taken as slaves and you said "it makes sense"

no, I said show me, don't misquote me

 

[Bennett.]

lol, i already did that. even linked it for you, peanut, as well as the court case where behe had to sit there and admit his beliefs had no basis in science.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity



hahahaha. it's like you only learned of ID yesterday. look at you go!:

congratulations, you linked a court case which didn't actually adress the issue. Anyway, I asked for YOUR understanding.

In any case, many scientists now see strong design elements in dna which is causing some issues.

 

[Bennett.]

and also taken women as sex slaves makes sense to you, you are a *****. So god ordered that, he must be right, your peaceful god, couldnt even spare his own children who are his own creation. And you are here playing the morality card.

I'm not playing any morality card at all! Do you just make things up or what?

 

[CM86]

no, I said show me, don't misquote me

Try reading again.

 

[CM86]

congratulations, you linked a court case which didn't actually adress the issue. Anyway, I asked for YOUR understanding.

In any case, many scientists now see strong design elements in dna which is causing some issues.

Congratulations on missing the point.

 

[CM86]

I'm not playing any morality card at all! Do you just make things up or what?

You need some help my man.

 

[Bennett.]

You need some help my man.

You need to try harder, I'm afraid.

 

[CM86]

I'm afraid.

I know you are. That's why you need religion.

 

[Total Power]

This is hilarious, this is SPARTA

 

[chelseacarlton]

I know you are. That's why you need religion.

I just in intelligently redesigned my computer screen with coffee from my mouth.
Priceless wicked burn CM.
Gotta a decent mess to clean up now.

 

[chelseacarlton]

So that's it is it?.
The new 'god is the designer' arguments hero,a ****ing liver fluke?.
And then back to irreducible complexity,quick dodged that one,shimmy dazzle bright lights,quick over here look what about the eye???!!!.
I hope god loves them,because 'for the love of god' is the only intelligent thing they'll ever have.

 

[Long Live HFC]

congratulations, you linked a court case which didn't actually adress the issue.

yes, it did. it determined that "irreducible complexity" wasn't science-based, it was creationism in another guise. the lack of evidence supporting behe's position (which he himself admitted) re the flagellum, formed part of that decision.

Anyway, I asked for YOUR understanding.

I already gave it to you. irreducible complexity is pseudoscientific nonsense, the "complex" parts of the flagellum have each been shown to provide benefit to the organism before they formed the overall "complex" whole. nobody believes in IC except idiot theists.

In any case, many scientists now see strong design elements in dna which is causing some issues.

blah blah blah. let us know when the proof gets published.

eta-
It should also be noted that there’s a difference between looking at the evidence and believing in a high power based on what you're seeing, vs denying all the evidence in favour of pseudoscientific bollocks to justify belief in magic.

 

[Pie eyed]

The point was, and I'll type this slow if you like, that an organism like the liver fluke in sheep and its extraordinary life creates a difficulty to evolutionary theory due to the fact that the remarkable stages in its life really can't have happened by gradual changes.

Yet they have?
Go figure. Maybe God's trolling you with Evolution.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Yet they have?
Go figure. Maybe God's trolling you with Evolution.

I still can't understand why Creationists can't adapt the 'God rolled the dice in the beginning, and evolution spread out from that initial roll' viewpoint. It still means Intelligent Design as an origin, doesn't it?

 

[Bennett.]

I still can't understand why Creationists can't adapt the 'God rolled the dice in the beginning, and evolution spread out from that initial roll' viewpoint. It still means Intelligent Design as an origin, doesn't it?

Plenty of people do though.

 

[Seeds]

I still can't understand why Creationists can't adapt the 'God rolled the dice in the beginning, and evolution spread out from that initial roll' viewpoint. It still means Intelligent Design as an origin, doesn't it?

Yes but it means God designed single cells. Can't really call a cell Adam and have a chat to it can you?