Science/Environment Extinction Rebellion

[Emptyorangeseat]

It is pretty frightening to see the rise of China.

Power equals industry, industry equals military power. They have industrial might to support a war machine and whilst we have an off shore call centre.

Yep! And their humanitarian aid of its own people and prisoners!
Nothing is said especially by the corrupt U.N

 

[Emptyorangeseat]

Western countries arent the only ones targetted. However the economic cost of abatement in most western countries is about a fifth of the cost in an average developing economy so for fairness sakes western countries should abate a lot more and pay for some abatement in the developing world.

Rubbish!
If there was really concern about the worlds emissions it would be targeting China 1/3 already and growing every day! And they are one of the worlds 2 super powers with the largest economy of the world! And showing no signs of slowing down or caring!

 

[Chief]

Rubbish!
If there was really concern about the worlds emissions it would be targeting China 1/3 already and growing every day! And they are one of the worlds 2 super powers with the largest economy of the world! And showing no signs of slowing down or caring!

Like this sort of thing?

To prevent catastrophic global warming, China must hang tough

Climate issue: It has done well in sticking to its emissions-reducing targets, but these are too modest

www.economist.com

 

[Emptyorangeseat]

Like this sort of thing?

To prevent catastrophic global warming, China must hang tough

Climate issue: It has done well in sticking to its emissions-reducing targets, but these are too modest

www.economist.com

Haven’t we been through this and you keep running away like the little bitch of BF!
Many a time’s!
Got any idea thing else?

 

[Chief]

Haven’t we been through this and you keep running away like the little bitch of BF!
Many a time’s!
Got any idea thing else?

Oh wow you are that little turd that won’t flush aren’t you?

 

[Seeds]

Rubbish!
If there was really concern about the worlds emissions it would be targeting China 1/3 already and growing every day! And they are one of the worlds 2 super powers with the largest economy of the world! And showing no signs of slowing down or caring!

Chinas people on average have the wealth of about a fifth of the average western person and the economic cost of abatement per unit price on carbon is multiple times higher in China and even worse in poorer countries then in the west (excludng australia and canada as costs of abatement are higher here too). For fairness sakes in terms of sharing the economic cost of abatement the USA, Europe and Japan should be responsible for far far more abatement then other countries per person (although a lot of that abatement that they pay for should be done in other countries such as China).


If you dont think sharing the economic costs of abatement (per person) across countries is the right way for countries to proceed then what do you propose as a fair solution?

 

[Snake_Baker]

If you dont think sharing the economic costs of abatement (per person) across countries is the right way for countries to proceed then what do you propose as a fair solution?

You are dealing with various sovereign entities that have widely varying needs.

The notion of "fair" is redundant in this context.

 

[Seeds]

You are dealing with various sovereign entities that have widely varying needs.

The notion of "fair" is redundant in this context.

No it isnt. Fairness is not reliant on everyone wanting the same thing. People within a country all want different things and are at different stages of life and varrying socioeconomic class. Do you think its impossible to derive notions of fairness within a country despite all these varying wants and situations?


And what the f*** is a need anyway. There is only wants except in the case where people are on the verge of death.

 

[Andrew Birch]

 

[Power Raid]

Like this sort of thing?

To prevent catastrophic global warming, China must hang tough

Climate issue: It has done well in sticking to its emissions-reducing targets, but these are too modest

www.economist.com

What is their goal? To build as many coal power stations as they can by 2030?

Is that really something to celebrate?

It seems facts are not convenient to those that claim to support the science

 

[Chief]

What is their goal? To build as many coal power stations as they can by 2030?

Is that really something to celebrate?

It seems facts are not convenient to those that claim to support the science

No it was an example of people talking about China’s inadequate response to climate change. In response to claims that nobody talks about China’s inadequate response to climate change.

 

[Andrew Birch]

“Air Pollution Kills 25 Londoners Each Day”

 

[Chief]

“Air Pollution Kills 25 Londoners Each Day”

Looks legit:

Nearly 9,500 people die each year in London because of air pollution – study

Counting impact of toxic gas NO2 for the first time suggests more than twice as many people as previously thought die prematurely from pollution in UK capital

www.theguardian.com

So, what’s a more pressing issue in London? Stabbings or poisonings?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Looks legit:

Nearly 9,500 people die each year in London because of air pollution – study

Counting impact of toxic gas NO2 for the first time suggests more than twice as many people as previously thought die prematurely from pollution in UK capital

www.theguardian.com

So, what’s a more pressing issue in London? Stabbings or poisonings?

Probably poisoning. But who's to blame?

Diesel was a niche market in Europe until the mid-1990s, making up less than 10% of the car fleet. Diesels produce 15% less CO2 than petrol, but emit four times more nitrogen dioxide pollution (NO2) and 22 times more particulates - the tiny particles that penetrate the lungs, brain and heart.​

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Following the signing of the Kyoto protocol climate change agreement in 1997, most rich countries were legally obliged to reduce CO2 emissions by an average of 8% over 15 years.​

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Japanese and American car makers backed research into hybrid and electric cars, but the European commission was lobbied strongly by big German car makers BMW, Volkswagen and Daimler, to incentivise diesel. A switch to diesel was said by the industry to be a cheap and fast way to reduce the carbon emissions that drive climate change.​

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The subsequent EC 1998 Acea agreement with all European car makers was backed by then EU transport commissioner Neil Kinnock and UK environment secretary John Prescott. It committed passenger car-makers to reduce CO2 emissions by 25% over 10 years.​

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“It was practically an order to switch to diesel. The European car fleet was transformed from being almost entirely petrol to predominantly diesel. Britain, along with Germany, France and Italy, offered subsidies and sweeteners to persuade car makers and the public to buy diesel,” said Simon Birkett, director of the Clean Air London group.​

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The European auto industry ramped up diesel engine production. Under EU pressure, governments kept the diesel price below that of petrol. In the UK, the amount motorists paid in vehicle excise duty was linked to cars’ CO2 emissions, effectively incentivising people to buy diesels.​

The rise of diesel in Europe: the impact on health and pollution

In a bid to reduce CO2 emissions in the 90s, Europe backed a major switch from petrol to diesel cars but the result was a rise in deadly air pollution

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chief]

Probably poisoning. But who's to blame?

Diesel was a niche market in Europe until the mid-1990s, making up less than 10% of the car fleet. Diesels produce 15% less CO2 than petrol, but emit four times more nitrogen dioxide pollution (NO2) and 22 times more particulates - the tiny particles that penetrate the lungs, brain and heart.​

​

Following the signing of the Kyoto protocol climate change agreement in 1997, most rich countries were legally obliged to reduce CO2 emissions by an average of 8% over 15 years.​

​

Japanese and American car makers backed research into hybrid and electric cars, but the European commission was lobbied strongly by big German car makers BMW, Volkswagen and Daimler, to incentivise diesel. A switch to diesel was said by the industry to be a cheap and fast way to reduce the carbon emissions that drive climate change.​

​

The subsequent EC 1998 Acea agreement with all European car makers was backed by then EU transport commissioner Neil Kinnock and UK environment secretary John Prescott. It committed passenger car-makers to reduce CO2 emissions by 25% over 10 years.​

​

“It was practically an order to switch to diesel. The European car fleet was transformed from being almost entirely petrol to predominantly diesel. Britain, along with Germany, France and Italy, offered subsidies and sweeteners to persuade car makers and the public to buy diesel,” said Simon Birkett, director of the Clean Air London group.​

​

The European auto industry ramped up diesel engine production. Under EU pressure, governments kept the diesel price below that of petrol. In the UK, the amount motorists paid in vehicle excise duty was linked to cars’ CO2 emissions, effectively incentivising people to buy diesels.​

The rise of diesel in Europe: the impact on health and pollution

In a bid to reduce CO2 emissions in the 90s, Europe backed a major switch from petrol to diesel cars but the result was a rise in deadly air pollution

www.theguardian.com

Governments for not forcing manufacturers to clean up their vehicle emissions. People for pissing and moaning whenever they have to pay a bit more to reduce pollution.

Both for not maintaining, building and using public transport more.

Diesel is getting better, too:

Particulate emissions from diesel engines: correlation between engine technology and emissions - Journal of Occupational Medicine and Toxicology

In the last 30 years, diesel engines have made rapid progress to increased efficiency, environmental protection and comfort for both light- and heavy-duty applications. The technical developments include all issues from fuel to combustion process to exhaust gas aftertreatment. This paper...

occup-med.biomedcentral.com

 

[FireKrakouer]

Governments for not forcing manufacturers to clean up their vehicle emissions. People for pissing and moaning whenever they have to pay a bit more to reduce pollution.

Both for not maintaining, building and using public transport more.

Diesel is getting better, too:

Particulate emissions from diesel engines: correlation between engine technology and emissions - Journal of Occupational Medicine and Toxicology

In the last 30 years, diesel engines have made rapid progress to increased efficiency, environmental protection and comfort for both light- and heavy-duty applications. The technical developments include all issues from fuel to combustion process to exhaust gas aftertreatment. This paper...

occup-med.biomedcentral.com

Hey Chief, do you really have a worm farm? If so, how about hooking a brother up with some castings? My tomato plants aren't gonna feed themselves...

 

[its free real estate]

Probably poisoning. But who's to blame?

Diesel was a niche market in Europe until the mid-1990s, making up less than 10% of the car fleet. Diesels produce 15% less CO2 than petrol, but emit four times more nitrogen dioxide pollution (NO2) and 22 times more particulates - the tiny particles that penetrate the lungs, brain and heart.​

​

Following the signing of the Kyoto protocol climate change agreement in 1997, most rich countries were legally obliged to reduce CO2 emissions by an average of 8% over 15 years.​

​

Japanese and American car makers backed research into hybrid and electric cars, but the European commission was lobbied strongly by big German car makers BMW, Volkswagen and Daimler, to incentivise diesel. A switch to diesel was said by the industry to be a cheap and fast way to reduce the carbon emissions that drive climate change.​

​

The subsequent EC 1998 Acea agreement with all European car makers was backed by then EU transport commissioner Neil Kinnock and UK environment secretary John Prescott. It committed passenger car-makers to reduce CO2 emissions by 25% over 10 years.​

​

“It was practically an order to switch to diesel. The European car fleet was transformed from being almost entirely petrol to predominantly diesel. Britain, along with Germany, France and Italy, offered subsidies and sweeteners to persuade car makers and the public to buy diesel,” said Simon Birkett, director of the Clean Air London group.​

​

The European auto industry ramped up diesel engine production. Under EU pressure, governments kept the diesel price below that of petrol. In the UK, the amount motorists paid in vehicle excise duty was linked to cars’ CO2 emissions, effectively incentivising people to buy diesels.​

The rise of diesel in Europe: the impact on health and pollution

In a bid to reduce CO2 emissions in the 90s, Europe backed a major switch from petrol to diesel cars but the result was a rise in deadly air pollution

www.theguardian.com

Switching to diesel was an all time backfire. Part of the reason Delhi is a smoggy hellhole. Still, switching to electric cars will be great! Can finally get decent shaped cars again instead of the fat hatchbacks that dominate.

 

[Chief]

Hey Chief, do you really have a worm farm? If so, how about hooking a brother up with some castings? My tomato plants aren't gonna feed themselves...

Will send you a bottle. Mix it with ginger ale.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Nearly 9,500 people die each year in London because of air pollution – study

Counting impact of toxic gas NO2 for the first time suggests more than twice as many people as previously thought die prematurely from pollution in UK capital

www.theguardian.com

So, what’s a more pressing issue in London? Stabbings or poisonings?

Actual proper data?

 

[Andrew Birch]

Looks legit:

Nearly 9,500 people die each year in London because of air pollution – study

Counting impact of toxic gas NO2 for the first time suggests more than twice as many people as previously thought die prematurely from pollution in UK capital

www.theguardian.com

So, what’s a more pressing issue in London? Stabbings or poisonings?

Those 25 Londoner deaths a day* probably each smoked 25 ciggies a day. But yeah, it must have been the "air pollution" that killed all of them!

 

[Royal Flush]

Yep last of the 4.2's GU 2006 spent mega $$$ up grading the turbo etc All put down to truck repairs tax dodge. I spent $43,000 on diesel last financial year.
The best part is I put my smokes on the diesel bill and claim the fuel rebate on the ******* lot LOL

I like you Fat Yak

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[Andrew Birch]

Governments for not forcing manufacturers to clean up their vehicle emissions. People for pissing and moaning whenever they have to pay a bit more to reduce pollution.

Both for not maintaining, building and using public transport more.

Diesel is getting better, too:

Particulate emissions from diesel engines: correlation between engine technology and emissions - Journal of Occupational Medicine and Toxicology

In the last 30 years, diesel engines have made rapid progress to increased efficiency, environmental protection and comfort for both light- and heavy-duty applications. The technical developments include all issues from fuel to combustion process to exhaust gas aftertreatment. This paper...

occup-med.biomedcentral.com

There is no justification for driving a diesel powered car in this day and age.

 

[Snake_Baker]

How the * do they arrive at these amazing conclusions?

Is there post mortem/coroner reports?

 

[Chief]

How the fu** do they arrive at these amazing conclusions?

Is there post mortem/coroner reports?

I would ask you to read the study, but it seems like you wouldn’t understand it.

 

[Snake_Baker]

LOL, wait until I sink my fangs in to this.