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But no clubs have a plugger. I went to most games in the 80’s and I’m telling you there was no fun losing 3 games in a row by 100 points even if plugger was there. It was no fun getting wet. It was no fun watching mud everywhere.

And how can you link saying the 80”s was worse to accepting today’s footy. All people who grew up in the 80’s are saying is it has been worse. That’s fact. I could say whinging on here about our footy today has no effect so why waste your energy. Is that accepting the performance. Not one little bit. It’s realising that we can’t have a say because bf forum should have no say.

If you really want to influence the club find a way of doing it. And influencing can be positive not negative like a silly boycott of games but if you feel that strongly don’t go this week.


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but that's the thing plugger people who went through that period are telling me its WORSE NOW!

i do find your comment interesting where you said plugger made you look forward to games but you also say it wasn't fun. so you were looking forward to something that wasn't fun? is that a hope thing, like you hoped it would be fun but it wasn't?

do you enjoy the football now this season, compared to those dark years in the 80s? what makes you look forward to games now?
 

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I'm putting this up for feedback coz I'm not sure if I'm convincing myself of my own bulls*** or not.

What I've noticed in the last few weeks, "calmly" observing our team on field is, as I've said before, the seeming lack of structure around the play of the ball. In a contested situation the ratio of any teams players in the scrum verses the possibility of winning the contest isn't linear. So for example, if team "A" has 2 players, and team "B" has 4 players, team B's chances of winning are not double that of team As, but only marginally more because of all the other factors involved, particularly the decreased chances of a controlled outcome because of the increased numbers of bodies.
So with what seems to be Richo's game plane of "numbers to the contest", the resources that get committed to the contest become statistically less effective as numbers increase. What I see is that we are simply crowding extra players just outside the contest within a 2(or so) meter radius, whilst the oppo are committing the same numbers to the contest but setting their extra players further out in clear and repeated structures that allow them to clear the ball out if they win. Whilst our guys (if they win) are literally standing next to a teammate and only 2 meters (max) from the oppo player/s, meaning there is simply no good option to pass off to once we get possession. So in short we are committing more and more resources to an increasingly less likely outcome to try and cheat the roll of the dice, and other teams are playing the odds whilst structuring up to take advantage of any possible win.
So with what's going on Saints commit 4 players to a get a 40% chance and the oppo commit 2 players to get a 30% chance, meaning we double the resources committed for only and extra 25% chance of wining. But coz those resources are taken from the ball clearing area just outside the immediate contest, our ability to clear the ball once we do get possession is significantly reduced and the players needed for applying pressure are left flat footed at the site of the original contest. Simply put we are't getting value for numbers or effort because of the game plan, and that's why our boys are stuffed. Richo has the players bashing their heads against the wall on a losing proposition, and he's answer to why it's not working is that they are not bashing their heads hard enough or for long enough. Am I making this up?
This is the symptom, but we don't know whether the cause is richo's plan or that the players are failing to execute by getting sucked in too close to the contest
 

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but that's the thing plugger people who went through that period are telling me its WORSE NOW!

i do find your comment interesting where you said plugger made you look forward to games but you also say it wasn't fun. so you were looking forward to something that wasn't fun? is that a hope thing, like you hoped it would be fun but it wasn't?

do you enjoy the football now this season, compared to those dark years in the 80s? what makes you look forward to games now?
I looked forward to plugger and it was no fun losing by 100 points 3 games in a row. 2 different things. Just as I go now hoping we win.

And if it’s worse now why did you bother posting about people saying the 80”s were and they are pro richo. Let me guess who thinks it’s worse now. Yep the people who want richo gone. I’m not pro richo in the slightest way. I am pro the 80”s making this era look successful. It was clearly worse back then. Just imagine us being on the bottom every single year richo has coached


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Might be in the interests of the AFL if he's sacked sooner rather than later. Supporter morale very low, dwindling crowds and viewership. If this continues could have a flow on effect to memberships, sponsorship and marketability of the club.
suits the AFL, they can send us to Tassie and solve that problem
 

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I looked forward to plugger and it was no fun losing by 100 points 3 games in a row. 2 different things. Just as I go now hoping we win.

And if it’s worse now why did you bother posting about people saying the 80”s were and they are pro richo. Let me guess who thinks it’s worse now. Yep the people who want richo gone. I’m not pro richo in the slightest way. I am pro the 80”s making this era look successful. It was clearly worse back then. Just imagine us being on the bottom every single year richo has coached


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do you enjoy the football now this season, compared to those dark years in the 80s? what makes you look forward to games now?
 

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I don't think hes a bad development coach, and even as a tactical coach I'm still 50/50 (not sure we have the cattle or belief to fully make his vision work yet - need more outside run) but his game day coaching, to me anyway, is baffling.
Swinging Carlisle forward is a meme now.
I can't begin to dissect what went wrong since the Tigers game (I'll need to go back to the previous games to check if we were going ok prior to that or not) but I do know our confidence is completely shot and its affecting basic skill levels and decision making which is in turn affecting our will to win.
Long climb back up the mountain but it's always darkest before the dawn.
I'm not ready to #eco just yet.
Imagine if swinging Carlisle forward vs GWS had of won us the game. Firstly, Carlilse would have had to get use to playing the last 10 minutes forward every game for the rest of his career, and secondly, maybe we would have had to give Richo credit for it. However, do we now say that it cost us the win against GWS?......not sure
 
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do you enjoy the football now this season, compared to those dark years in the 80s? what makes you look forward to games now?

No I don't because I'm 56 and was only 22 at the time and I was 4 Kms away from a ground and now I'm 15. Doesn't mean it wasn't dark days. We are talking about the football aren't we. Not where it was played or how every game was in Melbourne. The footy by our club was clearly worse than the sky is falling down crowd today. Hoping to win makes me look forward to games now. I'm sure ive answered that. By the way are you boycotting the Freo game? Surely you will. Its the only decent thing you can do after your previous posts.
 

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No I don't because I'm 56 and was only 22 at the time and I was 4 Kms away from a ground and now I'm 15. Doesn't mean it wasn't dark days. We are talking about the football aren't we. Not where it was played or how every game was in Melbourne. The footy by our club was clearly worse than the sky is falling down crowd today. Hoping to win makes me look forward to games now. I'm sure ive answered that. By the way are you boycotting the Freo game? Surely you will. Its the only decent thing you can do after your previous posts.
Exactly. Remember the record scores kicked against us? When teams would score over 200?

They were the most fun.

So now it's about stadium conditions and not justifying where we are today?

Funny.
 

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this is exactly the type of post or story i'm hearing from saints fans who went through the 80s. i find it interesting. its not the first time i've read it or heard it either.

if you had to try and identify why you don't feel as bad as back then, why do you think that is? what got you through the 80s?
Blind loyalty :) .. Baldock coming on board as coach lifted the general standard of football and gave us supporters hope, and the players seemed to play for him. A pity he had health problems. Sheldon did a great job too.
 

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No I don't because I'm 56 and was only 22 at the time and I was 4 Kms away from a ground and now I'm 15. Doesn't mean it wasn't dark days. We are talking about the football aren't we. Not where it was played or how every game was in Melbourne. The footy by our club was clearly worse than the sky is falling down crowd today. Hoping to win makes me look forward to games now. I'm sure ive answered that. By the way are you boycotting the Freo game? Surely you will. Its the only decent thing you can do after your previous posts.
you don't enjoy the football more now? why? because of distance and age? am i right in saying the difference in distance is 11kms?

what about watching it on tv? do you enjoy it more than you did in the 80s?

what previous post? i probably won't go tbh.
 

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No I don't because I'm 56 and was only 22 at the time and I was 4 Kms away from a ground and now I'm 15. Doesn't mean it wasn't dark days. We are talking about the football aren't we. Not where it was played or how every game was in Melbourne. The footy by our club was clearly worse than the sky is falling down crowd today. Hoping to win makes me look forward to games now. I'm sure ive answered that. By the way are you boycotting the Freo game? Surely you will. Its the only decent thing you can do after your previous posts.
I hate the way we are playing and often vent but what motivates me to keep turning up is supporting the kids coming through.
Coffy , Clark, Marshall and Benny constantly bring a smile on my face .
 

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you don't enjoy the football more now? why? because of distance and age? am i right in saying the difference in distance is 11kms?

what about watching it on tv? do you enjoy it more than you did in the 80s?

what previous post? i probably won't go tbh.

I am completely unsure at what you are getting at. This has nothing to do with how bad we were now compared to the 80's. I'm pretty sure there was no live footy on in the 80's apart from swans games. By the way the 11kms is not a reason to not like the footy. The nights and trains are compared to driving, walking or getting a lift for 5 minutes drive. Still got nothing to do with how bad were for most of the 80's compared to one year now. You another thing I learnt from the 80's which is very relevant now. Sacking coaches didn't help.
 

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Never mind the 80s, we were worse in 2000 than now.
And i would say that the list even then was better.

Someone on Twitter yesterday claimed opposite. But if you but the best line ups for the 2000 team and today I would suggest that the list back then was superior.
 

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And i would say that the list even then was better.

Someone on Twitter yesterday claimed opposite. But if you but the best line ups for the 2000 team and today I would suggest that the list back then was superior.
Harvey
Burke
Loewe
Everitt
Jones
Peckett
Thompson
Hall
Hudgton

Players in that era who would get into the 22 today imo
 

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The 80's at least we had Lockett , Leowe , Harvey , Burke and winmar to watch .
The 2000''s we watched the kids improve on a weekly basis.
Now we watch the kids stagnate and in some aspects go backwards .
 

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I am completely unsure at what you are getting at. This has nothing to do with how bad we were now compared to the 80's. I'm pretty sure there was no live footy on in the 80's apart from swans games. By the way the 11kms is not a reason to not like the footy. The nights and trains are compared to driving, walking or getting a lift for 5 minutes drive. Still got nothing to do with how bad were for most of the 80's compared to one year now. You another thing I learnt from the 80's which is very relevant now. Sacking coaches didn't help.
i asked you if you enjoyed footy more this season than the 80s and the answer i got was no... you mentioned age and distance... unless i misunderstood your response? so i was trying to understand why?

if its not distance. is it just age then?
 
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