Coaching Staff Eye on our Coaching (Ratten, Lade, Batchelor, Slater sign on)

[FlyingSledghamer]

I think Richo is fine for where we are at going forward though would definitely encourage the club
to talk Luke Hodge if he retires end of the year in a support role for midfield coach.
We clearly lack the tactical knowledge in that area , which I know is Kingsley's domain.

Three centre bounces when Brisbane had a run on in row we had no winger ...other times Lonie.

Who is not a wing player ...amazed they don't spin the magnets with Newnes, Roberton , Savage , Gilbert
in the rotations ...at times to avoid running out of legs with Roo & Montagna.

Clarkson wrote the hymn book that Bevo, Simpson coach by .

Played in what 5 grand finals winning 4 over 10 year period ..is Legendary stuff.

Great post. Love the idea of Hodge and that Hawthorn IP.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

that makes a LOT of sense

i feel it will be almost career suicide for him to take the hawthorn job. i can see a s**t load of benefit from him going through their process if they shorten it though. but taking on that job, hell to the no. there is just far too much to do and get sorted. firstly he'll have to work through rebuild that football dept. secondly he's going to have to see the club through arguably the most testing time it has been through since 2004. he's going to have to see through a hawks rebuild. their fans are already getting quite testy. with a bunch of high profile hawks that have far reaching influences i wouldnt discount instability although unlikely. thirdly they're undertaking the biggest project hawthorn have ever embarked on in dingley. its a massive massive project. i reckon that role would test some seriously seasoned administrators. brian cook is one that comes to mind thats seen through similar ventures but even then not to the level of the hawks

i just feel it will burn him big time if ameet takes that job and he will live to regret jumping at that opportunity too early

Would be like taking all your savings and putting them all into a stock after 10 years of gains before the gfc.

 

[Stewart66]

Would it be wise to freshen up the line coaches with some new assistants? We've seemed to have the same line coaches for a few years now. Surely input from other assistants could provide players with more than one perspective. People say that some of our players like Billings & McCartin etc haven't developed as quick as some of the other youngsters running around in the AFL. If you provided them with different coaches could that enhance their development? Or do all assistant coaches have similar coaching knowledge across the league?

I know it's early days, but Richmond seem to started well after everyone thought it was going to be bleak. From memory they removed most of their assistants with new over the off-season.

Caracella is a senior coach in waiting.
Balme a great appointment too

 

[StCicatriz]

Great post. Love the idea of Hodge and that Hawthorn IP.

+1 here. shaun burgoyne is another but more in a player welfare role maybe?

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

I think David Teague's gona be a good coach. Not sure if he'd want to come back as an assistant though.

 

[holllywood]

that makes a LOT of sense

i feel it will be almost career suicide for him to take the hawthorn job. i can see a s**t load of benefit from him going through their process if they shorten it though. but taking on that job, hell to the no. there is just far too much to do and get sorted. firstly he'll have to work through rebuild that football dept. secondly he's going to have to see the club through arguably the most testing time it has been through since 2004. he's going to have to see through a hawks rebuild. their fans are already getting quite testy. with a bunch of high profile hawks that have far reaching influences i wouldnt discount instability although unlikely. thirdly they're undertaking the biggest project hawthorn have ever embarked on in dingley. its a massive massive project. i reckon that role would test some seriously seasoned administrators. brian cook is one that comes to mind thats seen through similar ventures but even then not to the level of the hawks

i just feel it will burn him big time if ameet takes that job and he will live to regret jumping at that opportunity too early

And he has to control Clarko...

 

[austinnn]

that makes a LOT of sense

i feel it will be almost career suicide for him to take the hawthorn job. i can see a s**t load of benefit from him going through their process if they shorten it though. but taking on that job, hell to the no. there is just far too much to do and get sorted. firstly he'll have to work through rebuild that football dept. secondly he's going to have to see the club through arguably the most testing time it has been through since 2004. he's going to have to see through a hawks rebuild. their fans are already getting quite testy. with a bunch of high profile hawks that have far reaching influences i wouldnt discount instability although unlikely. thirdly they're undertaking the biggest project hawthorn have ever embarked on in dingley. its a massive massive project. i reckon that role would test some seriously seasoned administrators. brian cook is one that comes to mind thats seen through similar ventures but even then not to the level of the hawks

i just feel it will burn him big time if ameet takes that job and he will live to regret jumping at that opportunity too early

I want this to be true. I hope someone more experienced puts their hand up for that job. Ameet would probably be great in whatever he chooses to do, but his strength seems to be as a lawyer, his dealmaking. I'd have thought that's not really such a necessary quality for the position the Hawks are offering. Better for him to start learning that role with an institution he already knows well - St Kilda F.C.

In the meantime, I'm really hoping he's/we've identified a possible protégé for him to mentor for the time he does decide to leave his position.

From the little ITK evidence on this board, it seems Wayne Hughes is doing a good job currently, which comes as a surprise, given his past at Carlton. Otherwise, which of the scouts could take the next step? Or if we were to headhunt, who would folks choose to take over from Ameet outside our club?

(No joke answers like Adrian Dorado please)

 

[sunny3193]

I posted last week how the Pies were playing smart football against Sydney.
Using their midfield to advantage and pressing Sydney out of time and space.
I remember thinking how smart they were, but wondering if that could be replicated other than on the SCG.
Well, we got our answer today.
A big call out to the coaching staff today for turning Collingwood's strategy back on themselves.

 

[Sab22]

I posted last week how the Pies were playing smart football against Sydney.
Using their midfield to advantage and pressing Sydney out of time and space.
I remember thinking how smart they were, but wondering if that could be replicated other than on the SCG.
Well, we got our answer today.
A big call out to the coaching staff today for turning Collingwood's strategy back on themselves.

I think that game style suits grounds like SCG, MCG.

 

[freebloke]

I am just amazed at the lack of coaching turnover for assistants. This bunch needs fresh ideas pronto.

Seems to be very little improvement in the team from last year, and a lot of players are stuck or going backwards. Had it been 1-2 players, I would have understood, but almost all 3-4 year players haven't shown sufficient improvement.

Billings, Dunstan are prime examples. I don't know why the coaches want him to turn into a Hamill dummy, when he clearly needs to be an outside winger.

Dunstan - going worse than first year. There is no specialist midfield coach (all seem to be forwards/defenders in their careers).

Yeah, Richardson needs to get out of the school teacher mode now and get some of these guys to do something, coz right now the team is likely to finish at a worse spot than last year.

The team is also not attacking enough.

To an extent, cracks in the team have been papered over due to the presence of seniors last year, and couple of remaining stalwarts.

Fisher, Dempster are gone and Roo/Montagna aren't far away.

Outside of Seb Ross and Roberton, this team hasn't had any major success in development.

 

[Brains Trust66]

Ok big speech time about the coaching or the game plan.
Over the last few years we have played great football with all our forwards leading up to the ball . That's why first Bruce and then Membrey had such good years . Players bursting out of midfield didn't just bomb long , they looked to pass to a leading forward which included Weller and Wright . Every week we were taking so many marks in the forward 50 and the forwards were confident in their kicking.

This year they have changed the plan , now we burst from the middle and bomb it long onto of Bruce's and Membreys heads and hope they mark it . It makes it so easy for the backs to punch it away . Also Bruce and Membrey aren't getting a chance to get a run up to try to out jump the defenders.
What the freaking hell is going on . Which moron thought this would be a good plan . Poor Bruce is so buggered from trying to ruck then he has to run back and try out mark defenders from good teams from long bombs that give him no advantage.

Why can't we go back to the way we played the second half of last year . That's what won us games . We had Bruce , Membrey , Paddy and sometimes Roo, Weller and Wright leading and it was totally confusing the defence because usually at least one would get free.
Watch a replay of a game from last year , then watch one from this year . We have gone backwards. Such a disappointment.


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[Punter!]

Ok big speech time about the coaching or the game plan.
Over the last few years we have played great football with all our forwards leading up to the ball . That's why first Bruce and then Membrey had such good years . Players bursting out of midfield didn't just bomb long , they looked to pass to a leading forward which included Weller and Wright . Every week we were taking so many marks in the forward 50 and the forwards were confident in their kicking.

This year they have changed the plan , now we burst from the middle and bomb it long onto of Bruce's and Membreys heads and hope they mark it . It makes it so easy for the backs to punch it away . Also Bruce and Membrey aren't getting a chance to get a run up to try to out jump the defenders.
What the freaking hell is going on . Which moron thought this would be a good plan . Poor Bruce is so buggered from trying to ruck then he has to run back and try out mark defenders from good teams from long bombs that give him no advantage.

Why can't we go back to the way we played the second half of last year . That's what won us games . We had Bruce , Membrey , Paddy and sometimes Roo, Weller and Wright leading and it was totally confusing the defence because usually at least one would get free.
Watch a replay of a game from last year , then watch one from this year . We have gone backwards. Such a disappointment.


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Prior to last night's game we were leading the competition for marks inside fwd 50.. we bomb it long when we have no other learn option. In case you didn't notice all teams flood nearly their entire 18 players into the defensive 50 making it hard to spot up a player. I for one would rather kick it to a contest at the top of the square then kick to a 50/50 30-40m out from goal.

Why when we lose does everyone question the game plan, the coaches, player development, blah blah blah.... no one gave a rats toss bag when we beat Brisbane or the Pies. Funny that.. And were we supposed to beat the cats? They are a top 4 side and are sitting 5 and zip. We had a red hot crack.. take away the last quarter and we were very very competitive against a top 4 side.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Im not convinced that richo can go to the next level. Time will tell.

I'm not convinced that Richo is going at this level. Time has told.

 

[Masquerade]

Ok big speech time about the coaching or the game plan.
Over the last few years we have played great football with all our forwards leading up to the ball . That's why first Bruce and then Membrey had such good years . Players bursting out of midfield didn't just bomb long , they looked to pass to a leading forward which included Weller and Wright . Every week we were taking so many marks in the forward 50 and the forwards were confident in their kicking.

This year they have changed the plan , now we burst from the middle and bomb it long onto of Bruce's and Membreys heads and hope they mark it . It makes it so easy for the backs to punch it away . Also Bruce and Membrey aren't getting a chance to get a run up to try to out jump the defenders.
What the freaking hell is going on . Which moron thought this would be a good plan . Poor Bruce is so buggered from trying to ruck then he has to run back and try out mark defenders from good teams from long bombs that give him no advantage.

Why can't we go back to the way we played the second half of last year . That's what won us games . We had Bruce , Membrey , Paddy and sometimes Roo, Weller and Wright leading and it was totally confusing the defence because usually at least one would get free.
Watch a replay of a game from last year , then watch one from this year . We have gone backwards. Such a disappointment.


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I get what you're saying but we've always been more of a 'bomb it in' side.

That being said, I agree that I don't think it's working. We just have to be a little bit smarter when going in to the 50. It's just more efficient taking that extra second to spot up a target rather than bomb it in and have all the crumbers tackling like crazy people to keep it in. Hopefully, with experience, we get that good mix between kicking it long but also using the opportunity of lead-up targets if we have the time.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Ok big speech time about the coaching or the game plan.
Over the last few years we have played great football with all our forwards leading up to the ball . That's why first Bruce and then Membrey had such good years . Players bursting out of midfield didn't just bomb long , they looked to pass to a leading forward which included Weller and Wright . Every week we were taking so many marks in the forward 50 and the forwards were confident in their kicking.

This year they have changed the plan , now we burst from the middle and bomb it long onto of Bruce's and Membreys heads and hope they mark it . It makes it so easy for the backs to punch it away . Also Bruce and Membrey aren't getting a chance to get a run up to try to out jump the defenders.
What the freaking hell is going on . Which moron thought this would be a good plan . Poor Bruce is so buggered from trying to ruck then he has to run back and try out mark defenders from good teams from long bombs that give him no advantage.

Why can't we go back to the way we played the second half of last year . That's what won us games . We had Bruce , Membrey , Paddy and sometimes Roo, Weller and Wright leading and it was totally confusing the defence because usually at least one would get free.
Watch a replay of a game from last year , then watch one from this year . We have gone backwards. Such a disappointment.


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The game plan is great, Bruce and Membrey continually missing set shots from 15-20 metres out is not. Don't be one of these clueless people who blame the coach, it's not his fault unless he doesn't have a plan B.

 

[George]

Didn't know where to put this, so will leave it here;

 

[Diehard Saint]

I'm not convinced that Richo is going at this level. Time has told.

Persy, I'm concerned your new avatar is having a negative affect on your usually positive outlook.
Time to bring Alfred E McCartin back methinks

 

[Saint Watto]

Didn't know where to put this, so will leave it here;

George....that certainly puts our last 1/4 fadeouts up in lights.......it's quite striking..........Great post !

 

[StCicatriz]

Didn't know where to put this, so will leave it here;

Just not fit enough same as previous seasons. I think some sides have gone past us

 

[Nutsngum]

Just not fit enough same as previous seasons. I think some sides have gone past us

How is it that our vets can state theyve been doing pre-seasons beyond anything theyve done before and yet still be unfit?

 

[StCicatriz]

How is it that our vets can state theyve been doing pre-seasons beyond anything theyve done before and yet still be unfit?

Roo and Monty are fine. Problems is everyone else

But I feel ya. Absolute god damn spin.

 

[Brains Trust66]

I get what you're saying but we've always been more of a 'bomb it in' side.

That being said, I agree that I don't think it's working. We just have to be a little bit smarter when going in to the 50. It's just more efficient taking that extra second to spot up a target rather than bomb it in and have all the crumbers tackling like crazy people to keep it in. Hopefully, with experience, we get that good mix between kicking it long but also using the opportunity of lead-up targets if we have the time.

Maybe it would work better if one of our best pack marks wasn't in the twos and another too exhausted from trying to do ruck duties so often. Weller has copped a bit of abuse for being out of form but the amount of times I've seen him leading with a good break on his man only to watch them bomb it long over his head , he would have to be frustrated.


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[Brains Trust66]

The game plan is great, Bruce and Membrey continually missing set shots from 15-20 metres out is not. Don't be one of these clueless people who blame the coach, it's not his fault unless he doesn't have a plan B.

Can I point out that he doesn't appear to have a plan b , lol


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[Persevering Saint]

Persy, I'm concerned your new avatar is having a negative affect on your usually positive outlook.
Time to bring Alfred E McCartin back methinks

The avatar is about Fred, but the mood is because I've got a bugger of a cold.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

People need to stop comparing us to last year. We had the softest draw in the world and beat s**t teams with two good wins against the doggies and the cats. We aren't worse than we were last year, the opposition is better.