F1 F1 2024 thread

[Duck Farmer]

This is why it probably Danny rics last race

Danny Ric will end up joining Gunther on the speaking tour doing special comments, driver interviews, and Netflix cameos.

 

[happy_eagle]

Danny Ric will end up joining Gunther on the speaking tour doing special comments, driver interviews, and Netflix cameos.

I don't know about this. Very similar to Gunther in a way that yes he has an entertaining personality, but for mine I just don't see him being a media pundit. Even Gunther looks a bit awkward and out of place in the media I've seen him in this year.

Far more likely he moves to the US and does IndyCar.

 

[jabba5114]

I don't know about this. Very similar to Gunther in a way that yes he has an entertaining personality, but for mine I just don't see him being a media pundit. Even Gunther looks a bit awkward and out of place in the media I've seen him in this year.

Far more likely he moves to the US and does IndyCar.

Dosent he like nascar more? I see him going there if he goes to america

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[happy_eagle]

Dosent he like nascar more? I see him going there if he goes to america

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IndyCar would be more of a like for like swap with his skillset, but yeh he could do either.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

You go to Nascar to give up. He'd be better off going to the European Truck racing championship.

 

[King Of Money]

I still can't see Red Bull hanging onto Perez. So what if he does well at a patch of tracks that he likes. It's the other 75% of tracks where he spudded up that caused RB's title defence to go pair shaped.

Too little too late.

The Perez seat is Dan's only sliver of hope. And it's only a sliver at best.

Maybe both won't be in the Red Bull family next year, opening the door for a bolter to grab a seat?

 

[Big_Luch]

Could they put him back to the back up driver role. Be like if Sergio stinks end of season bad enough he gets the seat or if he stinks at the start of next season he gets it for the rest of the year.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Another point about Perez. This would've been his best chance to win the championship. It's harder for teams to manipulate the situation when the cars are scrambled all over the place. He'd be the underdog if RB were dominant, but this was the opportunity. The opportunity is for Norris instead.

It's the opportunity Bottas never had.

 

[Vader]

Another point about Perez. This would've been his best chance to win the championship. It's harder for teams to manipulate the situation when the cars are scrambled all over the place. He'd be the underdog if RB were dominant, but this was the opportunity. The opportunity is for Norris instead.

It's the opportunity Bottas never had.

How so? Verstappen still has him covered, by the length of the Flemington Straight, at every circuit other than Baku. How is/was he supposed to win the championship, when he can't even get close to his own teammate at 23 of 24 tracks?

Even if Verstappen is well off the pace, as he is at present (compared to the McLarens and Ferraris) - he's still miles ahead of Perez.

 

[happy_eagle]

How so? Verstappen still has him covered, by the length of the Flemington Straight, at every circuit other than Baku. How is/was he supposed to win the championship, when he can't even get close to his own teammate at 23 of 24 tracks?

Even if Verstappen is well off the pace, as he is at present (compared to the McLarens and Ferraris) - he's still miles ahead of Perez.

Perez was ok at Monza

 

[99 Problems]

If Ricciardo really wanted to stay in F1 he might need to do what he did last time again. Very doubtful all the drivers who start the first race next year will be there for the last one. Depending on which team it is that needs to fill a seat and how long into the season it is he’d probably be at the top of most lists to fill a gap.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

How so? Verstappen still has him covered, by the length of the Flemington Straight, at every circuit other than Baku. How is/was he supposed to win the championship, when he can't even get close to his own teammate at 23 of 24 tracks?

Even if Verstappen is well off the pace, as he is at present (compared to the McLarens and Ferraris) - he's still miles ahead of Perez.

For similar reasons Norris has a chance now. Had Perez continued his for early in the season of podiums behind Verstappen, he'd have still been behind in the points but close then what Norris is.

He's always going to be at the effect of being the no2. But when RB is off the pace like they are, they can't manipulate the scenario with team orders like they could have if they remained dominant.

At Baku, it was possible for Perez and Verstappen to finish second and seventh, which would have eaten a big chunk of Verstappen's lead. There's still a fair way to go in the season, so if form continues, Verstappen could be overhauled. But Perez lost too much ground in the first half.

 

[Vader]

Perez was ok at Monza

Yeah... but he still finished 17 seconds behind Verstappen.

To become World Champion, first you have to beat your own teammate. Perez hasn't done that anywhere other than Baku. Not only hasn't he done it, he hasn't looked remotely close to doing it.

The idea that 2024 was a wasted opportunity, where Perez could have been World Champion, is one of the most bizarre fantasies I've seen anywhere on BF. The Motor Board is normally a place of sanity, but this idea is waaaay out there.

 

[Vader]

For similar reasons Norris has a chance now. Had Perez continued his for early in the season of podiums behind Verstappen, he'd have still been behind in the points but close then what Norris is.

He's always going to be at the effect of being the no2. But when RB is off the pace like they are, they can't manipulate the scenario with team orders like they could have if they remained dominant.

At Baku, it was possible for Perez and Verstappen to finish second and seventh, which would have eaten a big chunk of Verstappen's lead. There's still a fair way to go in the season, so if form continues, Verstappen could be overhauled. But Perez lost too much ground in the first half.

No. Just... no.

One win, even with Verstappen finishing 7th, would not make a dent on the lead that Verstappen has over Perez.

Perez has never looked like beating Verstappen anywhere other than Baku.

 

[Bradesmaen]

You go to Nascar to give up. He'd be better off going to the European Truck Simulator.

FTFY

 

[skam85]

Danny Ricc said in the media he isn't interested in racing elsewhere, and the way Max was talking sounds like he was farewelling Ricciardo.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They've had that before, what they really need is money from Audi. Sauber have been going through the motions the last 2 years ever since Alfa pulled stumps

Can they not have both though?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Can they not have both though?

I guess they can, but I'm more thinking they haven't been lacking an experienced driver for the last few years with Bottas and Raikkonen being there so potentially more to the story than not knowing how to set the car up.

It's a shame that BMW pulled the pin after 2009 because that outfit was actually starting to look good. They were very strong in 2008 when they had the financial backing of BMW. Hopefully Audi's money has similar results.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

BMW pulled the pin because they were pretenders at the time.

 

[pacemaker]

Oscar Piastri podium finish I heard

 

[FR0GGY]

Not the greatest endorsement of Lawson by Horner
“We've got some great talent. We've got Liam Lawson on the bench. We're not quite sure, looking at the likes of Colapinto and Bearman and Antonelli, is he at that level? Only time will tell."

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not the greatest endorsement of Lawson by Horner
“We've got some great talent. We've got Liam Lawson on the bench. We're not quite sure, looking at the likes of Colapinto and Bearman and Antonelli, is he at that level? Only time will tell."

Hes getting a gig purely because markos ego doesnt want to be seen letting him end up at sauber.

 

[Black_White]

Nice “farewell” to Dan from Ted on the notebook.
I think “thank you for being a proper great Aussie drongo bloke” Will live in my memory forever.

 

[Festerz]

I like Gary Anderson's balanced views on F1, his closing comments on Danny Ric's F1 career are on the mark.

Won't break BF rules or my own principles on copyright but will quote a few paras of his article that has been printed across various publications, including here:

Daniel Ricciardo’s big mistake in F1, and why he never made it to the top

He was the master of the big, bold overtake, but there was one issue that stopped the Australian from being world champion.

www.theage.com.au

It appears that Daniel Ricciardo’s Formula One career has reached its end – an 18th place at Sunday’s Singapore Grand Prix looks to have been his last race. His eight wins and 32 podiums are certainly fine achievements, but his career tailed off enormously in the past few years.

His peak came during five years at Red Bull from 2014-18. Yet Ricciardo decided to leave Red Bull for Renault in 2019 before a bruising two years at McLaren and he never had another season in a truly competitive car.

Where did it all go wrong? Some people would point towards the decision to leave a winning Red Bull team for Renault at the end of 2018 as the start of his downfall, but I disagree. I think the logic was solid. The big crossroads in Ricciardo’s career was not his departure from Red Bull but in fact the arrival of Max Verstappen to that team.

Before Verstappen burst on to the scene – being promoted from Toro Rosso near the start of the 2016 season – Ricciardo was the top dog at Red Bull. He had won three races to Sebastian Vettel’s none in 2014, when the German had just come off the back of four championships in a row. His hunger, talent and racing skill was that of a man destined for great things.

Verstappen was initially very fast but very error prone. Once he stopped the crashes, Ricciardo struggled to match him. He could do things that Ricciardo just could not. From 2016-18 their records were similar – 590 points to 608 and five wins to four in Verstappen’s favour – but the Dutchman’s ascent to becoming the No 1 driver in reality if not yet on paper was clear.

I would argue, though, that his decision to move to McLaren was the wrong one. Staying with Renault for another year may have increased his reputation, as changing teams frequently means you spend a lot of time bedding into the new environment and getting up to speed with the processes of the team as well as the characteristics of the car.

Yet at McLaren his form dropped off as he was trounced by Lando Norris in their two seasons. It was not a disastrous 2021, with another race win to his name, but in 2022 he scored only 37 points to Norris’s 122.

Of all the drivers to come through the Red Bull scheme, Ricciardo has been given as big a chance for success as anybody. He should leave F1 satisfied with what he has achieved, even if that fell short of his ultimate goal of becoming world champion

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Idk about on the mark, but a lot closer than most.

I agree that leaving Renault may 've been a wrong career move, as he was awesome in 2020, and I would say they'd have progressed if he stayed. Alpine has been shithouse without him.

But moving to McLaren was also a good move for no other reason than he'd have expected to be there still now, and it should be him instead of Norris threatening for the championship.

Verstappen was a problem only because the imprimatur would've been to favour him.

Verstappen only stopped crashing once Ricciardo was gone

Idk what it was that made him so crap at McLaren, but there's always a grey area in car racing.