F1 F1 2024 thread

[dazbroncos]

Stroll the deadshit punted DR into OP.

**** off.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Surely they appeal that. Absolutely laughable that what's little more than an administrative breach of the rules nets a harsher penalty than running into the back of someone because you weren't paying attention.

It's only for the sprint race according to F1.com

 

[DamoESP]

It's only for the sprint race according to F1.com

Which makes sense, as penalties from a sprint race get applied to the feature race, so it definitely should be vice versa, so that's one saving grace at least...

 

[Festerz]

Wow that's ****ed. Rough on Hulkenberg as well. Stroll should be thankful he's not serving a three-place grid penalty in Miami.

Stroll should be thankful his last name is Stroll.

 

[Not Important]

Stroll the deadshit punted DR into OP.

* off.

if it wasn't for daddy he would not have an f1 seat.

 

[Not Important]

notwithstanding his bad luck being caught up in the stroll/danny ric bingle, oscar hasn't shown the improvement many expected so far. i’m confident in his ability, just a bit disappointed.

 

[Barrybran]

notwithstanding his bad luck being caught up in the stroll/danny ric bingle, oscar hasn't shown the improvement many expected so far. i’m confident in his ability, just a bit disappointed.

He's done better with the management so far this season. China was a new track for him.

 

[DamoESP]

 

[Not Important]

He's done better with the management so far this season. China was a new track for him.

the so-called sperts were critical of his tyre management. i get that norris is the more experienced and better driver but the difference in their capacities is growing. second year nerves perhaps.

 

[Barrybran]

the so-called sperts were critical of his tyre management. i get that norris is the more experienced and better driver but the difference in their capacities is growing. second year nerves perhaps.

He's a second year driver who is performing better than his first year

 

[gaskin]

The McLaren is a better car this year and Lando is making the most of it. Lando is a great driver and the experience difference is real.

 

[happy_eagle]

Came up in commentary. What do we think about extending points down to 12th (or even further ?)

I can see the possible merit in it. Especially when you have a year like this where there is a clear gap between the Top 5 teams (10 drivers) and the rest. A lot of the close racing and battles are around the 12th to 15th place, which as of now have no real consequence or outcome in terms of the championship.

 

[gaskin]

I'm for it. At this point there is really no point in having the bottom 5 teams out there. They are fighting for a point on the off chance one of the faster cars DNFs. Even Lewis was 19th at one point and was that much quicker he managed to come through the field and finish in the points. At least giving them something to fight for on a weekly basis gives the back marker cars a purpose for being there.

If they do add another team in the near future they really need to extend the points. 22 drivers fighting for a top 10 spot when week in week out realistically you will have maybe 12-13 drivers capable of fighting for a points finish just seems stupid to me.

 

[Matele]

Given the rarity of car issue related DNFs I would be interested in seeing points extended out to 15th.

I don't think it's fair for someone like Hulk to be below a one race runner in Bearman on the points tally.

 

[99 Problems]

I’d even be happy if every finisher got a point. You could scale it if you want so there is a decent leap from tenth to eleventh so that would still be a key aim, but it would give real value to the battle between the backmarkers each round.

At the moment for 3-4 teams it feels like their season depends on who is lucky enough that their good weekend falls on a race with a handful of retirements up ahead so they can pick up points. I think consistently finishing 12-13 should be rewarded more than finishing 17-18 but falling in to a random 5th place finish one weekend thanks to some late rain or a red flag massively compromising the result.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

All for the points extension.
If they can extend it to a place where anyone on the grid has a realistic chance at a point i think that improves the spectacle.

12th -14th(ish) would be about right with the field possibly increasing to 22 in due course.

 

[Pugz89]

A couple of people on Reddit have said China are notorious for using chemicals and painting the grass green to look better for tourists so I wonder if that has gone on here.

They paint the grass at Albert Park as well, I feel like most tracks would paint the grass.

 

[Not Important]

He's a second year driver who is performing better than his first year

except, i don’t think that’s accurate.

i'm an oscar fan. but the records show he is not performing better than last year. and he said as much after the race before china in a mclaren piece with norris.

 

[happy_eagle]

except, i don’t think that’s accurate.

i'm an oscar fan. but the records show he is not performing better than last year. and he said as much after the race before china in a mclaren piece with norris.

Are you comparing him to the back end of last year, or when he started?

If comparing both season starts, he's doing much better.
If comparing post Austria from last year, then any improvement has been marginal compared to the teammate benchmark.

 

[largebus]

They paint the grass at Albert Park as well, I feel like most tracks would paint the grass.

Augusta national has done that for years, along with fake bird noise

 

[99 Problems]

The no race wins yet seems to affect him a fair bit anytime it looks a possibility, but I think there’s a decent chance Lando might now be the second best driver on the grid. Charles, Sainz, and maybe Russell and Alonso would all be in the conversation, but I feel like Lando more consistently outperforms expectations.

He’s a tough one for Oscar to be judged against and I don’t think there’s any shame if he can’t match him for his first few seasons. I think overall Oscar already does a great job to get his one-lap pace as close to him as he does.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Obviously watch with a bias, but Oscar is downright timid at the start, or anytime he's around Norris really.

He seems very focused on driving 'clean', which is hurting his ability to overtake. Not surprising, as he's suffered damage an inordinate amount of times from relatively innocuous touches. He seems less affected defensively (he'll hold his line, but always "leaves a space"), but when he is faster he seems content to hold station behind and wait for "safe" opportunity to overtake. Lando will 'always' dive inside, even if it means driving across his opponent's exit (indeed he uses this tactic a bit to block his victim from the subsequent over-take through better exits)

I hope Oscar's race-craft will come with experience, but IMO he needs to start being more aggressive, especially at the start. With the McLaren lacking top-speed and terrible DRS compared to it's peers, he gets 'stuck' in traffic far too easily. He drives like the repair bill is coming out of his salary.

I think it's getting worse too. I've noticed more than once recently, Lando has swept across the track at the start from disadvantageous positions (but still in front), forcing Oscar to either back off or take horrible lines into turn 1 or 2. Oscar instantly loses half-a-second on a compromised exit and is stuck fighting to hold his position down the next straight.

Whilst it's not shown on screen, the live timing shows Oscar will hold pace +-0.2s from Lando for a number of laps, then suddenly lose 2 seconds for seemingly no reason, before resuming his prior pace. Perhaps managing temps or other limitations of the car following closely, or perhaps running wide or some other mistake.

 

[skam85]

Oscar's driving style reminds me of Jenson Button. Very smooth, always fair, not aggressive - sometimes to his detriment.

I reckon if he has a career close to Button's we'd all be pretty stoked.

 

[Tandy]

Maybe in motorsport is there such thing as too nice? Oscar needs a bit of dog in him. That may not be natural to him and could have a negative effect. But still, get nasty out there, respectfully

 

[skam85]

Maybe in motorsport is there such thing as too nice? Oscar needs a bit of dog in him. That may not be natural to him and could have a negative effect. But still, get nasty out there, respectfully

True, there aren't too many WDCs out there that don't have a bit of campaigner about them