F1 F1 2024 thread

[happy_eagle]

I would be pretty excited about seeing a resurgent Williams with a Sainz, Albon and Vowles partnership

Vowles is really making Paddy Lowe and Claire Williams look pretty ordinary when it comes to running a F1 team.

 

[DamoESP]

Vowles is really making Paddy Lowe and Claire Williams look pretty ordinary when it comes to running a F1 team.

Yep, and this is the best possible offer I think Sainz will currently get.

Secured drive for 25 and 26, then gets the option to move on in 27 (When Perez and a few others contracts expire) if another team nails the 26 reg change.

 

[Festerz]

Good little article, if a tad superficial, on the JV spray.

‘F**k you’: The ‘personal’ hypocrisy behind bizarre Ricciardo feud — and why bitter great is wrong

‘F**k you’: ‘Personal’ hypocrisy behind bizarre Ricciardo feud — and why bitter great is wrong

www.foxsports.com.au

Includes the following in relation to the attack on RIC's earlier performances:

His 2020 season was arguably the best of his entire career.

He claimed two podiums — Renault’s first in almost a decade — in a car that had no real business being there.

He finished fifth in the drivers championship behind only the dominant Mercedes pair, Verstappen and Sergio Pérez, the latter in Racing Point’s controversial ‘pink Mercedes’.

He obliterated teammate Ocon, almost doubling his points score at 119-62.

While his career achievements have managed to evade Villeneuve’s awareness, they weren’t beyond F1’s team principals.

The team bosses gather at the end of every year in a secret ballot to rate the grid. Ricciardo was comfortably in the top 10 from 2014 to 2020, including even his less renowned first season at Renault in 2019.


Ricciardo’s ranking by F1 team principals

2014: 3rd

2015: 9th

2016: 4th

2017: 4th

2018: 5th

2019: 8th

2020: 4th

Villeneuve might argue that his opinion differs as a former driver, but Ricciardo was rated similarly highly in the annual driver’s driver poll run by the F1 website since 2018.

Ricciardo’s ranking by fellow drivers

2018: 5th

2019: 6th

2020: 3rd

Now of course none of this detracts from the fact that RIC is in the twilight of his career in 2024 and been beaten consistently by his team mate. But that was not the main focus of Villeneuve's twisted and factually wrong personal attack on RICs career.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Should be 1st for 2014 & 16.

 

[gaskin]

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Lame

 

[Festerz]

The FIA has changed its rules to allow 17-year-olds to race in Formula 1 if they have "consistently demonstrated outstanding ability and maturity in single-seater formula car competition." it suits the immediate marketing and competitive needs of one of their most powerful partner organisations.

Never change FIA.

 

[skam85]

Cries in Colton Herta

 

[gaskin]

The FIA has changed its rules to allow 17-year-olds to race in Formula 1 if they have "consistently demonstrated outstanding ability and maturity in single-seater formula car competition." it suits the immediate marketing and competitive needs of one of their most powerful partner organisations.

Never change FIA.

Pretty much. I'd hazard a guess there are a few Indy Car drivers pretty pissed about it.

 

[Not Important]

Nobody wants to go to Audi: which drivers are left for 2025?

Nico Hulkenberg has already signed, but the second driver is still some time away. Audi has grand plans for entry into F1, but not every driver is eager to step into the brand-new project. Carlos Sainz and Esteban Ocon prefer other teams, so who is left?

www.gpblog.com

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Wonder if it's that Audi just aren't paying enough.

Can understand why somebody like Sainz is not willing to go there - it took Mercedes 3 years in the wilderness before they came good and then another year before they won the title. If it takes Audi a similar timeframe then Carlos will be in his twilight years by that stage.

And maybe I'm a jerk but if I was Ocon, I'd be signing the first bit of paper that was put in front of me.

 

[gaskin]

It is pretty much the only seat available since Williams are desperate for Sainz, Antonelli will be at Merc, and Bearman at Haas.

 

[happy_eagle]

Neither Antonelli or Bearman are exactly dominating F2 this year.

Is there a risk with Bearman that he ends up De Vries 2.0 ?
(gets a seat after doing well filling in, but ultimately isn't at the level)

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I really don't like Antonelli straight to Mercedes, the least they could do is place him in an F1 car with lesser expectations for a year to see how he translates to F1 before putting him in a car that's expected to win or podium. Doesn't seem fair or smart to load a kid up with expectation so early in his career.

 

[gaskin]

I really don't like Antonelli straight to Mercedes, the least they could do is place him in an F1 car with lesser expectations for a year to see how he translates to F1 before putting him in a car that's expected to win or podium. Doesn't seem fair or smart to load a kid up with expectation so early in his career.

I think the plan is to send him to Williams for the second half of the season if Williams dump Sargent. That is why they wanted special permission from the FIA to make Antonelli eligible for a seat.

 

[drd23]

Neither Antonelli or Bearman are exactly dominating F2 this year.

Is there a risk with Bearman that he ends up De Vries 2.0 ?
(gets a seat after doing well filling in, but ultimately isn't at the level)

Difference is De Vries was 28 in his failure of a half year at Alpha Tauri, whereas Bearman will be 20 next year.

 

[jabba5114]

Redbull asking for mercedes to be investigated.

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[Not Important]

Redbull asking for mercedes to be investigated.

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over what?

 

[jabba5114]

over what?

Not happy that mercedes have made improvements. Believe they are cheating

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[Big_Luch]

The flexing front wing is the issue.

Also reports ferrari have given Newey a 3yr deal worth 105 million.

 

[Skull Face]

Neither Antonelli or Bearman are exactly dominating F2 this year.

Is there a risk with Bearman that he ends up De Vries 2.0 ?
(gets a seat after doing well filling in, but ultimately isn't at the level)

If by risk you mean a near on certainty then yes, been behind martins 3 years in a row who is behind doohan in the alpine ranks and also behind maloney 2/3 years who no one at all is talking about.

Media getting over excited over driving the 2nd best car to points has set him up for maybe not a de vries but certainly a zhou level career at the top.

Antonelli has been performing a lot better at least before this year but it must be noted he has been apart of the prema family for many years so he has been in the best stable driving fresh engine cars not doing it in old cars. You would think with sainz out there as an option they know he isnt going to be a complete flop but is he as good as the hype? Unlikely unless he continues to develop

 

[Black_White]

The flexing front wing is the issue.

Also reports ferrari have given Newey a 3yr deal worth 105 million.

Newey almost on Harley money….

 

[DamoESP]

Really gives you a good sense for just how fast F1 cars really are when you can see the speed the Safety car does (Vision from this years Canadian GP)

 

[Not Important]

wow! seeing the writing on the wall or is it a culture thing? or both.

 

[Vader]

I found myself wondering last night if the Red Bull is still the fastest car in the field? Have the likes of McLaren and/or Ferrari overtaken them this season?

There's no doubt that Verstappen is the fastest driver. There's no doubt that they started the season as the fastest car, but recent updates to the McLaren and Ferrari cars have closed the gap to Red Bull significantly. Have they even overtaken them?

Seemingly gone are the days of Verstappen winning by 20 seconds, with Perez coming in 2nd. That sort of thing hasn't happened since China.

Since then...
Miami - Lando won, albeit with the benefit of safety car timing
Monza - Verstappen won, but only by 0.725 seconds. Sainz & Piastri both finished less than 20 seconds behind Max.
Monaco - LeClerc won, Piastri 2nd, Max 6th
Canada - Verstappen won, albeit with the benefit of safety car timing. Lando was only 3.9 seconds back, with Russell, Hamilton, Piastri & Alonso all within 20 seconds at the finish line.

That's 2 of the last 4 races won by non-Red Bulls, and another where Max probably wouldn't have won without the benefit of a fortuitous safety car.

2023 may have been the most one-sided season in history, but 2024 is shaping up to be an absolute belter, with McLaren, Red Bull & Ferrari all capable of winning on their day.