F1 F1 2024 thread

[99 Problems]

This is my point though. There's no guarantee Daniel does that for you.

Could give him a token seat for the end of the season but they won't want him in the car next season. To me it makes far more sense to just give it to Lawson. Give him a season and a half and you'll know whether he's worth keeping or not.

On a side note, I think it's ridiculous one team has a feeder team in this category.

Putting Lawson in the main seat has the most potential upside, but it’s a huge risk if it goes wrong. Put him in the racing bull and he can struggle for the rest of the season and it won’t put much pressure on him going into next year. Put him in the main seat though and if he doesn’t hit the ground running he starts next season under huge pressure. You don’t get 18 months to prove yourself in a race winning car so they’d be punting him this time next year.

I’d stick with Perez. If not go with Ric with him aware from the start it’s only to end the season and then Lawson can find his feet in the second car. They could try Yuki but it appears they don’t want him long term, so if he did slightly above expectations it would make things messy.

And yeah agree its silly they get benefits of a feeder team like this, especially when you’ve got other teams trying to get into the sport.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Right now the scenarios appear to be
1. Keep Perez, ditch Ricciardo, put Lawson in the RB
2. Ditch Perez, Promote Ricciardo to the main seat, Put Lawson in the RB.
3. Ditch Perez, Promote Lawson to the main seat, keep Ricciardo in the RB.

I think it'll be 1.

 

[jabba5114]

Alpine replacing Bruno famin already. Likely stepping down after Belgian grand prix

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[dazbroncos]

Alpine replacing Bruno famin already. Likely stepping down after Belgian grand prix

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if you listen carefully that s****** you hear is Otmar..... not so easy is it Bruno lol

And who knows what Helmut is gonna pull.

I know DR was 12th last race but VCARB did some lap time analysis and DR was well infront of YT when they extrapolated his theoretical times sans getting DRS trained and repeating his lap times on the Mediums.

If DR can have a decent day out in SPA... he's in with a chance of hanging around.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Poor bearman

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Bearman does enough dangerous driving of his own. Still amazed he got a gig based on vibes rather than actual results.

 

[happy_eagle]

if you listen carefully that s****** you hear is Otmar..... not so easy is it Bruno lol

And who knows what Helmut is gonna pull.

I know DR was 12th last race but VCARB did some lap time analysis and DR was well infront of YT when they extrapolated his theoretical times sans getting DRS trained and repeating his lap times on the Mediums.

If DR can have a decent day out in SPA... he's in with a chance of hanging around.

I had thought for a while that RB had already made their mind up with who they wanted in that seat, and that recent track performance weren't going to account for much.

But watching how angry Ricciardo was at the bad strategy in Hungary made me think otherwise. Could be a crucial race.

 

[Jatz]

I think there's some rose coloured glasses in here in relation to Dan.

That Red Bull is not a great car anymore. We've seen how Dan performs in cars that aren't great (Alpine, McLaren etc).

The only thing I'd absolutely be prepared to admit is he'll damage the car a whole lot less than Sergio. For that reason alone it's probably worth it.

 

[Barrybran]

I think there's some rose coloured glasses in here in relation to Dan.

That Red Bull is not a great car anymore. We've seen how Dan performs in cars that aren't great (Alpine, McLaren etc).

The only thing I'd absolutely be prepared to admit is he'll damage the car a whole lot less than Sergio. For that reason alone it's probably worth it.

It's not as good but all he has to do is keep it on the track and he scores points. I don't know what to think as far as switching drivers goes but Perez is not helping Red Bull at the moment and I think Ricciardo is better placed to help preserve the lead over McLaren. It was also free up a seat to get Lawson in.

I guess the question for Red Bull comes down to economics as Perez brings more money to the team than Ricciardo.

 

[Not Important]

Ocon to Haas on multi-year deal has just been announced.

yep! the bloke is not a team player though. so not sure it's a plus for haas.

 

[jabba5114]

Bearman does enough dangerous driving of his own. Still amazed he got a gig based on vibes rather than actual results.

Yeah I've watched with my jaw dropped watching him in f2 at times. Yet a pourchaire can't get a sniff

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[happy_eagle]

 

[Duck Farmer]

lol - Just replace Netherlands with Max Verstappen.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Germany would've been among the bottom 30 years ago.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

I think there's some rose coloured glasses in here in relation to Dan.

That Red Bull is not a great car anymore. We've seen how Dan performs in cars that aren't great (Alpine, McLaren etc).

The only thing I'd absolutely be prepared to admit is he'll damage the car a whole lot less than Sergio. For that reason alone it's probably worth it.

The car didnt get worse though. just other cars improved around them.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

All 3 would be an improvement on current Perez (i.e would be able to get out of Q1, and regularly into Q3).

Right now the scenarios appear to be
1. Keep Perez, ditch Ricciardo, put Lawson in the RB
2. Ditch Perez, Promote Ricciardo to the main seat, Put Lawson in the RB.
3. Ditch Perez, Promote Lawson to the main seat, keep Ricciardo in the RB.

3 doesn't make as much sense given Helmuts comments about the RB needing to be a junior team. If Ricciardo is not in frame for a main seat, he shouldn't be in the RB.

Option 2 appears more logical, even though Daniel hasn't set the world on fire in the RB. 10 races for him to show he can match Perez in the main car or he's done for good. Lawson gets an extended run in F1 for the experience, and the chance to takeover the main seat in 2025.

Agree.

If they were to drop Perez it's because they think the constructors is at risk (which it really is).

Lawson is not the answer to that. They won't put a rookie into that seat given the scenario.

Its Ric or Perez for mine. And I think that's what they'll be discussing today.

The vibe and performance of Red Bull feels like it's in a tailspin at the moment. I think they'll make the change. Really the only negative will be sponsers or cash that Perez brings to the team. As long as that's not critical to them then I think he's out.

I reckon it's 55/45 in favour of Ric at the moment to finish the season in the main seat.
Lawson to finish the season in the junior team and 2025 onwards until Ric makes way (or max bails out).

 

[ReidBetweenTheLines]

I don’t see how Perez holds his seat. Red Bull obviously were quick at Spa given how Max got pole and Perez was 3rd. But after starting 2nd on the grid, Perez went backwards from T1 until the end. At the very least he should podium, not slip back to 8th (7th after Russell DQ).

His 2 year contract signing surely has a get out clause for Red Bull and there’s no way he’s reached expectations since that moment.

Since Perez signed a contract extension on June 5th, there’s been 6 races. Red Bull has scored 132 points. McLaren have scored 176 point's.

Of the 132 Red Bull points, Perez contributed 24…

Red Bull only lead the constructors championship by 40 pts. There’s 10 races left. Perez is gone. Just a matter of who takes his seat.

 

[Vader]

I don’t see how Perez holds his seat. Red Bull obviously were quick at Spa given how Max got pole and Perez was 3rd. But after starting 2nd on the grid, Perez went backwards from T1 until the end. At the very least he should podium, not slip back to 8th (7th after Russell DQ).

They were fast in the wet (qualifying), not so much in the dry (race).

His 2 year contract signing surely has a get out clause for Red Bull and there’s no way he’s reached expectations since that moment.

It has, and they've been well publicised. He hasn't gone close to meeting the required standards, which is why this discussion has so many legs.

Since Perez signed a contract extension on June 5th, there’s been 6 races. Red Bull has scored 132 points. McLaren have scored 176 point's.

Of the 132 Red Bull points, Perez contributed 24…

Red Bull only lead the constructors championship by 40 pts. There’s 10 races left. Perez is gone. Just a matter of who takes his seat.

Yep... and both Marko & Horner are reading from the same page here.

Last week Horner said that they "can't run on one leg". Marko said that Perez had "completely collapsed" after last night's race. When both of the bosses are saying he's not performing, the chances of him surviving have to be small.

 

[Jatz]

I don't think it'll matter who they put in the seat, I still think they'll mostly run 8th for the rest of the season.

 

[Jatz]

McLaren are now favourites to win the Constructors Championship fwiw.

 

[my name was taken]

I think Danny gets the seat, place Lawson head to head against Tsunoda.

Daniel hasn't actually been terrible this year, he has had some bad strategy and also been stuck in traffic a whole lot, but the main car is a different level which could resolve that.

What I'm not sure is a factor or not is purely Daniels stage of his career, this is pretty much it for him, he's not a risk. No hasty decisions on the future of younger drivers that are trying to secure a future

 

[Festerz]

I think Danny gets the seat, place Lawson head to head against Tsunoda.

Daniel hasn't actually been terrible this year, he has had some bad strategy and also been stuck in traffic a whole lot, but the main car is a different level which could resolve that.

What I'm not sure is a factor or not is purely Daniels stage of his career, this is pretty much it for him, he's not a risk. No hasty decisions on the future of younger drivers that are trying to secure a future

Yep. All good points.

And Marko made it clear as day in an interview 2 weeks ago that the junior team should be for up and coming drivers not as a placeholder for experienced senior drivers wanting to stay in the game. Lawson and Tsunoda is clearly the partnership he wants to see in the RB team.

Danny Ric is (imho) a consistently better driver than Checo and knows the RB team. More importantly, he has a very good personal relationship with Max and I reckon Max has had a word or two with Marko to ensure Danny gets to be his wingman for the rest of the season. If Checo is to go, and I think that's now a certainty, then Danny Ric is the least disruptive option for a team focussed on providing the best support to Max retaining his WDC and maximising constructor title points.

That's the way I see it going after the break:

- Checo's contract being paid out on performance grounds

- Danny taking his seat for the rest of the year (with no guarantees beyond that)

- Lawson coming in as the full time driver at RB to join Yuki.


Edit: I should check all the previous posts for the day as my opinions are just re-stating those put previously by others.

So just confirming that I'm selecting envelope number 2:

2. Ditch Perez, Promote Ricciardo to the main seat, Put Lawson in the RB.

 

[murphster]

I don’t see how Perez holds his seat. Red Bull obviously were quick at Spa given how Max got pole and Perez was 3rd. But after starting 2nd on the grid, Perez went backwards from T1 until the end. At the very least he should podium, not slip back to 8th (7th after Russell DQ).

His 2 year contract signing surely has a get out clause for Red Bull and there’s no way he’s reached expectations since that moment.

Since Perez signed a contract extension on June 5th, there’s been 6 races. Red Bull has scored 132 points. McLaren have scored 176 point's.

Of the 132 Red Bull points, Perez contributed 24…

Red Bull only lead the constructors championship by 40 pts. There’s 10 races left. Perez is gone. Just a matter of who takes his seat.

How Sainz isn’t the main man to replace Perez is just ridiculous, has shown he has the talent to go with the top boys and regularly beats LeClerc, it’s a damn shame if he’s not in a top team next year.

 

[gaskin]

How Sainz isn’t the main man to replace Perez is just ridiculous, has shown he has the talent to go with the top boys and regularly beats LeClerc, it’s a damn shame if he’s not in a top team next year.

It is supposedly because of things that happened behind the scenes when he was at RB before. Bridges were burned and I don't think things have been mended to the point RB want to take him back.

 

[murphster]

It is supposedly because of things that happened behind the scenes when he was at RB before. Bridges were burned and I don't think things have been mended to the point RB want to take him back.

Want to see him in a top team as he’s good enough, Mercedes going with Antonelli as they’ve seen how quickly Piastri has impacted at McLaren after only 18 months in the car and hope to get the same result with him, but Sainz will be wasted at Williams and he deserves better imo.

Who does McLaren strategy as they’ve been outsmarted again by Mercedes, Piastri one stops which he could have and should have it’s his win, was 5.5 seconds clear of Russell and building his lead on fresher hard tyres when he pitted, Hamilton wouldn’t have got near him even if Russell let him through, another missed opportunity for McLaren imo.

 

[murphster]

So proud of what Piastri has done so far this year, was concerned after the first few races that he hadn’t come to terms with his tyre wear issues but has slowly built since then and has looked very good lately, is now starting to show that precision that was such a strength in F3 & F2 and bar that one mistake in the last race has been cm perfect. Beware the rampaging Aussie because he is coming for an F1 title very soon.