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But how many of these guys had the results in junior pedigree that suggested they were going to be what they became.

Franco sorta came out of nowhere with a good performance, and wasn't on anyone's radar before that. Somewhat similar (although big age difference) with Nyck Devries.
This is absolutely true as well.

I'm just not sure Lawson is what they hoped he would be, to the surprise of no one really. He's the type of placid character that fits though.

They won't pick Yuki, too combustible.
 
Who wins Teammate of the Year?

The definition being the driver who has done the most to support their teammate's cause.

My nominees would be KMag & Piastri.

Dishonourable mentions to Checo & Sainz.

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Very stiff to include Sainz there when Ferrari are a huge chance at the constructor's
 

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I'll throw a name into the perfect choice for Red Bull #2 seat: Hulkenberg.

If only both parties had waited another couple of months he could have had a top drive for 2025, and Red Bull could have had a very good teammate to Max for a few years while Lawson/Hadjar/Lindblad warm up.
 
I'm unashamedly a DRic fan, and really for me it just seems that it would have been a safe option to put DR in the #2 seat at RB for the second half of this year, calculated what the options were and left the door open for him in 25 if the exact right option wasn't there. It appears now, after the past few races, that DR was contributing reasonably solidly for VC

It also could have given them some security knowing that 25 is going to be full of will he/won't he crap about Max.
 
I'm unashamedly a DRic fan, and really for me it just seems that it would have been a safe option to put DR in the #2 seat at RB for the second half of this year, calculated what the options were and left the door open for him in 25 if the exact right option wasn't there. It appears now, after the past few races, that DR was contributing reasonably solidly for VC

It also could have given them some security knowing that 25 is going to be full of will he/won't he crap about Max.
Dan is/was cooked.

Not to the Perez kind of level, but he had nothing left to give.
 
Very stiff to include Sainz there when Ferrari are a huge chance at the constructor's
Sainz has screwed over LeClerc so many times this year, going against team orders, that he well & truly deserves to be on the dishonourable list.

Don't get me wrong, he's driven magnificently in his own right. He's just been a terrible teammate to LeClerc.
 
Dan is/was cooked.

Not to the Perez kind of level, but he had nothing left to give.
When he left yeh, but I wonder if they had said to him ahead of time that he'd have the back end of the year to drive the Red Bull whether that would have re-invigorated him. I think he would have performed better than Perez is currently, but thats a very low bar.
 

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Hmm it would suck for Colapinto but i would promote Yuki to the Redbull next to Ver.

And promote Hadjar to the RB next to Lawson.

They won't promote yuki and he knows it.

I'm not convinced on hadjar either.
 
I'm unashamedly a DRic fan, and really for me it just seems that it would have been a safe option to put DR in the #2 seat at RB for the second half of this year, calculated what the options were and left the door open for him in 25 if the exact right option wasn't there. It appears now, after the past few races, that DR was contributing reasonably solidly for VC

It also could have given them some security knowing that 25 is going to be full of will he/won't he crap about Max.

It shows you while DR is past his best the car and not the driver is the problem.
 

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Valteri to replace Sergio?
Unless Marko doesn't think he's a loser anymore, can't see it. And if you click on that filter, the only item it brings up is a Sauber model helmet, so I think it's just an attribution error.
 
Dan is/was cooked.

Not to the Perez kind of level, but he had nothing left to give.
Nico came back into F1 at a similar age. Would people have said he was cooked also?

I do tend to agree with the sentiment that DRic doesn't seem the same driver he was and that Nico driving for Haas isn't the same as a RBR seat, but I also suspect all of the Red Bull cars (including VCarb) are disntictly mediocre - it's just that Max is an astoundingly good driver and if anyone else was in that seat they would be close to (but maybe not quite as bad as) where Checo is now.
 
Nico came back into F1 at a similar age. Would people have said he was cooked also?

I do tend to agree with the sentiment that DRic doesn't seem the same driver he was and that Nico driving for Haas isn't the same as a RBR seat, but I also suspect all of the Red Bull cars (including VCarb) are disntictly mediocre - it's just that Max is an astoundingly good driver and if anyone else was in that seat they would be close to (but maybe not quite as bad as) where Checo is now.
This is pretty much it.

Max likes his cars setup in such a way that unless you're at the top of your game they are nearly impossible to drive. That's not giving Perez an excuse as such, but he's well past his peak clearly.
 

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