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Could be a good move for both.
Yep, it certainly would*
*reigning world champion with three consecutive titles being the better driver, the other being the prick ...
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Nando has almost won the WDC 2 out of the last 3 years in an inferior car. But yeah, Seb is the better driver
Put them in the same car and it would be bliss listening to Seb coming up with excuse after excuse why he just can't beat Nando.
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Stranger things have happened.
I agree with the other comment that Massa isn't really a number one driver. Mark obviously has the experience, and was rumoured to be linked with Ferrari previously, so it's not a stretch.
The big hurdle though would be that he's already signed with Porsche.
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Imagine if Vettel had been in the Ferrari last season and Alonso in the Red Bull. Would Vettel have gotten as close to the title as Alonso did? Very hard to picture.
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Hence why ive called Vettel a bit of a soft **** for resigning with RedBull. He needed to move to prove he was the best and not the car.
Something that blokes on this board shot me down for,
No, it's very easy to picture, there's no way he'd have gotten within a race of him. Considering Raikkonen finished 71 points behind Alonso, I'd say it's 70/30 he'd have ended up second though.
Unlikely. Vettel is every bit as good as Alonso. I welcome the idea of Alonso moving to Red Bull, although that's unlikely to happen. Raikkonen is a better bet. Even then, I can't see Vettel being embarrassed. All three of them are among the best drivers on the F1 grid this year. It would be a close, and interesting battle between them. Alonso and Raikkonen are certainly better drivers than Webber and should pose more of a challenge for Vettel.
I don't see why not.
He has already done that by scoring a point on debut with BMW and winning a race in a Toro Rosso. He has already won three championships and is well on his way to winning his fourth. He has nothing left to prove.
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I just don't see Vettel in that league. He has yet to achieve his success in anything than the very best car.
He's not a talentless hack- you don't win three world titles unless you are a bloody good driver- but one win in a Toro Rosso doesn't mean he's nailed great performances in a relatively average car.
Qualifying was held in changeable and wet conditions that messed up a lot of teams. It's worth noting that the Toro Rossos had more powerful engines than the Red Bulls back then too. So I stand by my assertion that he would not have been able to do what Alonso did last year in that car.
I don't think that matters. Circumstances have put him into the best car on the grid, but name an F1 champion that won the title in a car that wasn't the best that year.
Ferrari had the best car between 2000 to 2004, which propelled Schumacher to record heights of success. Renault had the best car in 2005 and 2006, giving Alonso his two titles.
Yet no one questions Schumacher's and Alonso's dominance in the first half of the 2000s.
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I suppose Raikkonen would in '03 and in particular, '05.
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The thing with both Schmacher and Alonso is that they have proven themselves in inferior or at the very least only marginally better cars than their opposition- Schmacher's early Ferraris weren't diasterous by any means but they weren't the best cars either- yet he was competitive. Alonso proved just how competitive he can be in an inferior car with what he did last season. Prost and Senna also proved their worth in inferior or scraping equal cars before they won titles, winning several races at different teams. Vettel has only one win to his name in a different car, and that was at a race unhinged by heavy rain.
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Vettel is a very good driver, you don't win 3 titles in a row in you're not any good.
But he's had an armchair ride with the best car out there, and is not in the same class as Nando.
Time and again he's had that prancing horse in contention when it had no right to be there.
It's all speculation though.
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Never seen him so relaxed for an interview
Interesting question.
Nothing gives me greater pleasure than seeing Finger Boy break down at the side of the road, or seeing him in a gravel trap as the field goes past.
I have to concede however, I feel he's certainly one of the best drivers on the grid, and that he may have closed the gap to Alonso in regards to being the best. I see the drive in him when things go wrong that he can put in great times, make superb overtakes, and almost drive like a possesed man - I mean you hear him in the cockpit when they're telling him he has nothing to gain, to which he bluntly replies "except satisfaction"
. Crazy bastard. Would he have got as close as Alonso? Probably not, but I don't think there would be much in it. How he will be remembered is a different story.
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Absolutely, you can't take anything away from a bloke who wins 4 titles in a row.
The thing is though, Alonso, like it or not, will be remembered as a fighter who generally punched above his weight in an inferior car.
Vettel, like Schumacher, will be remembered as the bloke who always won because he had the best car. Not saying it's right or wrong, that's just how it will be.
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In reality yes he would. Both can drive exceptionally well and you don't win the WDC 3 years running by being a complete mug. Yes you need a good car but you also have to get it to the line.
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I think the fact that he was .9 seconds quicker than 'ze dzerman' in the same car finally shows who the better RBR driver is
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Schumacher helped make 2 buckets of bolts into the best thing going though.
Vettel has pretty much landed into an Adrian Newey designed rocket ship
Schuey won the title in 1995 in an inferior car to the Williams, then put the Ferraris further up than they should've been. That '96 Ferrari was a pos yet he was competitive in it. Murdered everyone in the wet at Barcelona.
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His Bennetton was a very good car and not that far behind the Williams- the margins were slender. Couple Schmacher's talent to a car which was there or thereabouts (and a team which had a better grasp of strategy) and he was always going to do well.
His first Ferrari was a pig's ear, but the 97, 98 and 99 models were reasonably good cars, and from 2000 onwards they were the best cars.
