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Brownlow Medallist
- Sep 4, 2016
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- AFL Club
- Collingwood
FREE AGENCY:
OUT: Brown
IN: Wells, Mayne
TRADES:
Witts -> 44, 62
Cloke -> 76
2017 2nd round -> Hoskin-Elliott
Williams -> 105
Frost, 76 (Cloke), 2017 CFC 3rd round -> 2017 BL 3rd round, 2017 BL 4th round
47 -> Dunn, 51
OUT: Witts, Cloke, Williams, Frost
IN: Dunn, Hoskin-Elliott
DRAFT PICKS:
2016 - 28, 44,47, 51, 62, 65, 76, 83, 101, 105
2017 - 1st,2nd, 3rd BL, 3rd CFC, 4th BL, 4th CFC, 5th...
LIST SPOTS:
SENIOR
30.) Swan -> Wells
31.) Macaffer -> Mayne
32.) Brown -> Dunn
33.) Goodyear -> Hoskin-Elliott
34.) Frost -> Keeffe (rookie upgrade)
35.) Williams -> Smith (rookie upgrade)
36.) Cloke -> pick 28
37.) Witts -> pick 44
38.) Toovey -> pick 51
39.) Marsh -> pick 62
40.) pick 65
ROOKIES
R1.) Thomas
R2.) Smith (rookie upgrade)
R3.) Keeffe (rookie upgrade)
R4.) Golds
If senior list of 39 - R5.) Gault
If senior list of 38 - R6.)
Cat B 1.) Cox
Cat B 2.) Wyatt
BABYLOVE's SUMMARY:
[Mod Edit] Babylove 's summary inserted below ... Her post can be found here if you want to reply to it [/mod edit]
So I've done a more analytical study of our off season to date.
Age Profile
A big talking point was the age of our recruits, so I thought I'd do an age profile analysis (including rookies). For the purposes of this exercise I have excluded Macaffer, Toovey, Swan, Goodyear, Golds and Wyatt as they had departed the club prior to trade week, and have included Marsh and Gault as they have not officially left the club. Also all ages are based on a players age as at 1st March 2017.
Prior to the trade period we had:
13 players 22 & Under
15 players 23 to 25
7 players 26 to 28
4 players over 28
Our average age was 24.175
Our average games played was 69.325
Total of 39 senior and rookie listed players (35 senior and 4 rookies (including Gault as rookie))
After the trade period we have:
13 players 22 & Under
12 players 23 to 25
7 players 26 to 28
5 players over 28
Our average age was 24.333
Our average games played was 73.513
Total of 37 senior and rookie listed players (33 senior and 4 rookies (including Gault as rookie))
Draft Pick Analysis
Given that points is a talking point for us given our two father son selections so I have utilised this to value our draft picks.
Prior to the trade period (including movements for compensations) we had:
26, 44, 62, 80, 98, 116 totalling 1214 points
After the trade period (including movements for compensations) we have:
28, 44, 51, 62, 65, 83, 101, 105, 119 totalling 1511 points
The trades from an accountant's perspective
[mod edit]Reminder: this is from Babylove [/mod edit]
Travis Cloke - Like most was disappointed with pick 76, however let's look at the market. Sam Mitchell aged 34, best and fairest for Hawthorn 2016 got pick 88 (essentially). Jordan Lewis aged 29, best and fairest for Hawthorn 2016 got a pick in the sixties. Travis Cloke has was dropped 3 times, played 13 games, with scratchy form, and his form was only marginally better in 2015. He is the same age as Lewis, so based on the market this 76 is probably about right.
Marley Williams - Again the pick we got back was terribly disappointing. But we made no secret of the fact that he was unlikely to receive a contract if he didn't get traded. That put his value at about 0 given that clubs could wait until DFA if necessary. Unsure what happened here, but Williams lost the faith of the coaches and list managers in 2016, was that due to on field or off field issues?
Witts and Frost - I put these two together as I felt the compensation they received was about fair given they were essentially depth & VFL players for us this year.
Wells & Mayne - The length of contract is what was contentious for these two (note I will not analyse salary figures as the figures being bandied about are guesses, not definite). However the trend this year was that players were moving or staying for longer contracts rather money as the deciding factor. Lewis said yes to Melbourne because they offered him a 3rd year, which he openly stated. Frost went to Brisbane because they were willing to offer 3 years. And for us Wells and Mayne were attracted to us as due to the 3 and 4 years we were prepared to offer.
Hoskin-Elliott - Hard to get a value on WHE. Didn't play this year, but was a high draft pick playing in a deep team and had a year to run on his contract. For future recruiting endeavours, I would rather get this done rather than be in Adelaide's position with Gibbs. Surely players would think twice about a club who would get a player to commit but then not get them across the line.
Where our list currently sits
Senior Outs (confirmed only): Swan, Macaffer, Toovey, Goodyear, Brown, Cloke, Williams, Witts Frost
Rookie Outs: Golds, Wyatt
Senior Ins (confirmed only): Wells, Mayne, Hoskin-Elliott, Dunn
Rookie Ins: Nil
Senior List: 35
Rookie List: 1 (A), 1 (B)
Key Dates
DFA 1 - 1st November to 8th November
DFA 2 - 10th November to 18th November
DFA 3 - 26 November to 27th November
National Draft - 25th November
Pre-Season & Rookie Draft - 28th November
Training commences 1-4 year players - 7th November
Training commences 5+ year players - 21st November
[Mod Edit] Babylove 's final thoughts removed for brevity ... Her post with it can be found here [/mod edit]
UNKNOWN IDENTITY's DEPTH CHART:
[mod edit]Added link to Unknown Identity 's depth chart below. His post including discussion can be found here [/mod edit]
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OUT: Brown
IN: Wells, Mayne
TRADES:
Witts -> 44, 62
Cloke -> 76
2017 2nd round -> Hoskin-Elliott
Williams -> 105
Frost, 76 (Cloke), 2017 CFC 3rd round -> 2017 BL 3rd round, 2017 BL 4th round
47 -> Dunn, 51
OUT: Witts, Cloke, Williams, Frost
IN: Dunn, Hoskin-Elliott
DRAFT PICKS:
2016 - 28, 44,
2017 - 1st,
Note: for those with tapatalk we no longer hold 47, 76, 2017 CFC 2nd + 3rd
LIST SPOTS:
SENIOR
30.) Swan -> Wells
31.) Macaffer -> Mayne
32.) Brown -> Dunn
33.) Goodyear -> Hoskin-Elliott
34.) Frost -> Keeffe (rookie upgrade)
35.) Williams -> Smith (rookie upgrade)
36.) Cloke -> pick 28
37.) Witts -> pick 44
38.) Toovey -> pick 51
39.) Marsh -> pick 62
40.) pick 65
ROOKIES
R1.) Thomas
R2.) Smith (rookie upgrade)
R3.) Keeffe (rookie upgrade)
R4.) Golds
If senior list of 39 - R5.) Gault
If senior list of 38 - R6.)
Cat B 1.) Cox
Cat B 2.) Wyatt
BABYLOVE's SUMMARY:
[Mod Edit] Babylove 's summary inserted below ... Her post can be found here if you want to reply to it [/mod edit]
So I've done a more analytical study of our off season to date.
Age Profile
A big talking point was the age of our recruits, so I thought I'd do an age profile analysis (including rookies). For the purposes of this exercise I have excluded Macaffer, Toovey, Swan, Goodyear, Golds and Wyatt as they had departed the club prior to trade week, and have included Marsh and Gault as they have not officially left the club. Also all ages are based on a players age as at 1st March 2017.
Prior to the trade period we had:
13 players 22 & Under
15 players 23 to 25
7 players 26 to 28
4 players over 28
Our average age was 24.175
Our average games played was 69.325
Total of 39 senior and rookie listed players (35 senior and 4 rookies (including Gault as rookie))
After the trade period we have:
13 players 22 & Under
12 players 23 to 25
7 players 26 to 28
5 players over 28
Our average age was 24.333
Our average games played was 73.513
Total of 37 senior and rookie listed players (33 senior and 4 rookies (including Gault as rookie))
Draft Pick Analysis
Given that points is a talking point for us given our two father son selections so I have utilised this to value our draft picks.
Prior to the trade period (including movements for compensations) we had:
26, 44, 62, 80, 98, 116 totalling 1214 points
After the trade period (including movements for compensations) we have:
28, 44, 51, 62, 65, 83, 101, 105, 119 totalling 1511 points
The trades from an accountant's perspective
[mod edit]Reminder: this is from Babylove [/mod edit]
Travis Cloke - Like most was disappointed with pick 76, however let's look at the market. Sam Mitchell aged 34, best and fairest for Hawthorn 2016 got pick 88 (essentially). Jordan Lewis aged 29, best and fairest for Hawthorn 2016 got a pick in the sixties. Travis Cloke has was dropped 3 times, played 13 games, with scratchy form, and his form was only marginally better in 2015. He is the same age as Lewis, so based on the market this 76 is probably about right.
Marley Williams - Again the pick we got back was terribly disappointing. But we made no secret of the fact that he was unlikely to receive a contract if he didn't get traded. That put his value at about 0 given that clubs could wait until DFA if necessary. Unsure what happened here, but Williams lost the faith of the coaches and list managers in 2016, was that due to on field or off field issues?
Witts and Frost - I put these two together as I felt the compensation they received was about fair given they were essentially depth & VFL players for us this year.
Wells & Mayne - The length of contract is what was contentious for these two (note I will not analyse salary figures as the figures being bandied about are guesses, not definite). However the trend this year was that players were moving or staying for longer contracts rather money as the deciding factor. Lewis said yes to Melbourne because they offered him a 3rd year, which he openly stated. Frost went to Brisbane because they were willing to offer 3 years. And for us Wells and Mayne were attracted to us as due to the 3 and 4 years we were prepared to offer.
Hoskin-Elliott - Hard to get a value on WHE. Didn't play this year, but was a high draft pick playing in a deep team and had a year to run on his contract. For future recruiting endeavours, I would rather get this done rather than be in Adelaide's position with Gibbs. Surely players would think twice about a club who would get a player to commit but then not get them across the line.
Where our list currently sits
Senior Outs (confirmed only): Swan, Macaffer, Toovey, Goodyear, Brown, Cloke, Williams, Witts Frost
EDIT: Marsh (retired 9 Nov)
EDIT: Gault (retired 28 Oct), Keeffe, Smith (upgraded 31 Oct)
Senior Ins (confirmed only): Wells, Mayne, Hoskin-Elliott, Dunn
EDIT: Keeffe, Smith (upgraded 31 Oct)
Senior List: 35
Rookie List: 1 (A), 1 (B)
Key Dates
DFA 1 - 1st November to 8th November
DFA 2 - 10th November to 18th November
DFA 3 - 26 November to 27th November
National Draft - 25th November
Pre-Season & Rookie Draft - 28th November
Training commences 1-4 year players - 7th November
Training commences 5+ year players - 21st November
[Mod Edit] Babylove 's final thoughts removed for brevity ... Her post with it can be found here [/mod edit]
UNKNOWN IDENTITY's DEPTH CHART:
[mod edit]Added link to Unknown Identity 's depth chart below. His post including discussion can be found here [/mod edit]
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