A loss against 17th-placed Hawthorn, who we dominated for 3 quarters last game, at home, was not predictable (unless you predict constant failure for the club which is a fair position).
Preview Face Off - Round 15 - Adelaide V Carlton
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Tactically we will always struggle against Hawthorn, whilst Clarkson is there anyway.
It would be interesting to see a return of those brutal 2013-15 games we had with Carlton. Where we played awful, awful football yet managed to win one.
Also, when the heck is Carlton actually gonna come play us here at AO??
Also, when the heck is Carlton actually gonna come play us here at AO??
Similar to Scorpus...
If we drop Otten, bring in Gov and some runners (Knight, Seedsman etc.), man up their spares, be physical and protect Sloaney then Crows by 50.
However, if we keep Otten and/or bring in Thompson and/or Mackay and remain stubborn in the coaches box backing in 'our system' then Carlton by 24.
If we drop Otten, bring in Gov and some runners (Knight, Seedsman etc.), man up their spares, be physical and protect Sloaney then Crows by 50.
However, if we keep Otten and/or bring in Thompson and/or Mackay and remain stubborn in the coaches box backing in 'our system' then Carlton by 24.
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Gotta figure we get right this week.
I just don't want to think of the alternative
I just don't want to think of the alternative
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I'm going over for this one - birthday present from my kids
Back in April it was really thoughtful. Now - dammit, we WILL respond!!!
Crows by 35.
I flew down from Cairns to watch last weekends game v Hawks, with my 9 & 12 year olds. It was my 50th birthday last Thursday and I taught my kids some new bad words. Their Grandpa was in fine voice to.
I think we might get done by 10.
this game has pitchforks all over it. not confident at all. Carlton's standard MO is exactly the way teams have beaten us. they stack numbers behind the ball and keep them there. they play accountable footy. they restrict sides to under a hundred points. we lose when these things happen.
There's a storm a-brewin', and it's got nothing to do with the weather.
Oh god, the thought of this board if we lose will be worse than the effect on the team.
I won't be surprised if we lose, but that still wont stop me losing my excrement.
Crows by 25+
Oh god, the thought of this board if we lose will be worse than the effect on the team.
I won't be surprised if we lose, but that still wont stop me losing my excrement.
Crows by 25+
I try to separate the footy analyst part of my brain from the footy supporter part.
- Some would call that cognitive dissonance
My analyst brain tells me all is not well at Crowland and this is a game we'll probably lose and ruin our season.
But lately that's been making Face/Off threads all....
and I don't like that.
My supporter brain tells me to fire up and yell and scream and fistpump for the lads on Saturday.
I'll leave the analysis for later. For right now, it's Supporter Mode.
- Some would call that cognitive dissonance
My analyst brain tells me all is not well at Crowland and this is a game we'll probably lose and ruin our season.
But lately that's been making Face/Off threads all....
and I don't like that.
My supporter brain tells me to fire up and yell and scream and fistpump for the lads on Saturday.
I'll leave the analysis for later. For right now, it's Supporter Mode.
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Carlton's tagger Ed Curnow out of the game on Saturday, great news for Sloane.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...aide-with-bruised-larnyx-20170628-gx0mjb.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...aide-with-bruised-larnyx-20170628-gx0mjb.html
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FOUR PLAYERS THE GAME HAS OVERHYPE
Ben Cassanella - SEN
AFL footy thrives on hype. But sometimes it can be misplaced, particularly when assessing a player’s standing in comparison to his peers.
One good game can have people raving but it’s a body of work, and ability to consistently influence the flow of games, that sets the genuine stars apart.
We look at four players who are good, but might not be good enough to carry the tag of 'genuine superstars'.
RORY SLOANE
The fact the Crows’ best midfielder – by some margin – isn’t in the top 20 midfielders in the league is perhaps exhibit A as to why the club isn’t as close to this year’s premiership as some might think.
While lauded for his courage – of which he has an abundance – and commitment to the cause, there is little else that sets the 27-year-old apart from a host of second stringers at various clubs.
Sloane doesn’t boast elite pace, and while skills are adequate, they are highlighted by a lack of kicking penetration and precision. When targeted this year by opponents, the Crow ball-winner has failed miserably to rise to the challenge.
He is said to be a poor man’s Joel Selwood, but in compiling a list of the AFL’s best 20 midfielders, Sloane’s isn’t within 20 spots of Selwood. Those ahead – in no particular order – are: Dustin Martin, Dylan Shiel, Josh Kelly, Nat Fyfe, Patrick Dangerfield, Joel Selwood, Gary Ablett, Trent Cotchin, Ollie Wines, Dayne Beams, Adam Treloar, Bryce Gibbs, Marcus Bontempelli, Scott Pendlebury, Josh Kennedy, Dan Hannebery, Luke Parker, Callan Ward, Marc Murphy and Jack Steven.
Sloane is good, but more workhorse than game-changer.
JAKE STRINGER
It is almost embarrassing that 12 months ago some had the audacity to compare the Bulldog forward to Gary Ablett Snr – he is not fit to carry Ablett Snr’s bag.
Stringer's coach thought as much late last year when dropped him to the VFL only to earn a reprieve for a finals series in which he played a cameo role at best.
In 2017 the 23-year-old is averaging 14 disposals and less than two goals per game.
After back-to-back howlers against Sydney and Melbourne, the former top 10 draft pick's position in the side was again being questioned.
What seduces the masses with Stringer is talent, and he has plenty of it – but without consistency, workrate and an expanded football package the half forward will continue to flash in and out of matches.
As it stands right now a myriad of other options, including Toby Greene, Tom Lynch, Jack Gunston, Jack Watts and Jamie Elliott sit comfortably ahead of the former Bendigo Pioneer on a list of dangerous mid-sized options.
When Stringer gets it right he will be a dynamic force, but right now he doesn't do it enough to be in the conversation when it turns to assessing the game's stars.
JOSH JENKINS
Rated by former Geelong vice-captain Tim McGrath as the game’s most overrated forward, Jenkins is a polarising figure when it comes to assessing his standing in the 'star forward' pecking order.
Those lauding the 28-year-old point to 81 goals from his past 33 matches at an average of 2.5 per game – including bags of eight and seven.
Others highlight a disastrous finals series last year in which the key forward totalled seven kicks, including two in a tough and physical encounter against Sydney at the SCG.
Of the 62 goals kicked by the Crow forward in 2016, only nine came against sides the finished top four (from five matches) at the end of the home and away season.
For a player standing 200cm, Jenkins is a more dangerous option at ground level – and an over-the-back specialist – rather than a pack-splitting power forward who pulls down pack marks.
Perhaps it’s the reason why the former basketballer has struggled at times in tough, dour contests that require more than a healthy dose of physicality.
LACHIE NEALE
For pure ball winning, there are few that rival the diminutive Docker but the remainder of the package lacks punch.
The fact a player who is averaging 28 disposals in 2017, and led the league in total disposals in 2016, rarely draws a tag suggests rival coaches aren't enamoured with his capacity to influence matches.
He has hit the scoreboard more this season - on track to top 16 goals for the first time in his career - but is yet to grab the attention of the game's best stoppers.
Neale plays what is known as “budget airline baggage footy”- where it goes no one knows – hence a penchant for handballing at a ratio of one kick to every two handballs.
He is a handy and willing soldier, but gets pumped up as much more by some believing he is in the top echelon of midfield talent.
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Ben Cassanella - SEN
AFL footy thrives on hype. But sometimes it can be misplaced, particularly when assessing a player’s standing in comparison to his peers.
One good game can have people raving but it’s a body of work, and ability to consistently influence the flow of games, that sets the genuine stars apart.
We look at four players who are good, but might not be good enough to carry the tag of 'genuine superstars'.
RORY SLOANE
The fact the Crows’ best midfielder – by some margin – isn’t in the top 20 midfielders in the league is perhaps exhibit A as to why the club isn’t as close to this year’s premiership as some might think.
While lauded for his courage – of which he has an abundance – and commitment to the cause, there is little else that sets the 27-year-old apart from a host of second stringers at various clubs.
Sloane doesn’t boast elite pace, and while skills are adequate, they are highlighted by a lack of kicking penetration and precision. When targeted this year by opponents, the Crow ball-winner has failed miserably to rise to the challenge.
He is said to be a poor man’s Joel Selwood, but in compiling a list of the AFL’s best 20 midfielders, Sloane’s isn’t within 20 spots of Selwood. Those ahead – in no particular order – are: Dustin Martin, Dylan Shiel, Josh Kelly, Nat Fyfe, Patrick Dangerfield, Joel Selwood, Gary Ablett, Trent Cotchin, Ollie Wines, Dayne Beams, Adam Treloar, Bryce Gibbs, Marcus Bontempelli, Scott Pendlebury, Josh Kennedy, Dan Hannebery, Luke Parker, Callan Ward, Marc Murphy and Jack Steven.
Sloane is good, but more workhorse than game-changer.
JAKE STRINGER
It is almost embarrassing that 12 months ago some had the audacity to compare the Bulldog forward to Gary Ablett Snr – he is not fit to carry Ablett Snr’s bag.
Stringer's coach thought as much late last year when dropped him to the VFL only to earn a reprieve for a finals series in which he played a cameo role at best.
In 2017 the 23-year-old is averaging 14 disposals and less than two goals per game.
After back-to-back howlers against Sydney and Melbourne, the former top 10 draft pick's position in the side was again being questioned.
What seduces the masses with Stringer is talent, and he has plenty of it – but without consistency, workrate and an expanded football package the half forward will continue to flash in and out of matches.
As it stands right now a myriad of other options, including Toby Greene, Tom Lynch, Jack Gunston, Jack Watts and Jamie Elliott sit comfortably ahead of the former Bendigo Pioneer on a list of dangerous mid-sized options.
When Stringer gets it right he will be a dynamic force, but right now he doesn't do it enough to be in the conversation when it turns to assessing the game's stars.
JOSH JENKINS
Rated by former Geelong vice-captain Tim McGrath as the game’s most overrated forward, Jenkins is a polarising figure when it comes to assessing his standing in the 'star forward' pecking order.
Those lauding the 28-year-old point to 81 goals from his past 33 matches at an average of 2.5 per game – including bags of eight and seven.
Others highlight a disastrous finals series last year in which the key forward totalled seven kicks, including two in a tough and physical encounter against Sydney at the SCG.
Of the 62 goals kicked by the Crow forward in 2016, only nine came against sides the finished top four (from five matches) at the end of the home and away season.
For a player standing 200cm, Jenkins is a more dangerous option at ground level – and an over-the-back specialist – rather than a pack-splitting power forward who pulls down pack marks.
Perhaps it’s the reason why the former basketballer has struggled at times in tough, dour contests that require more than a healthy dose of physicality.
LACHIE NEALE
For pure ball winning, there are few that rival the diminutive Docker but the remainder of the package lacks punch.
The fact a player who is averaging 28 disposals in 2017, and led the league in total disposals in 2016, rarely draws a tag suggests rival coaches aren't enamoured with his capacity to influence matches.
He has hit the scoreboard more this season - on track to top 16 goals for the first time in his career - but is yet to grab the attention of the game's best stoppers.
Neale plays what is known as “budget airline baggage footy”- where it goes no one knows – hence a penchant for handballing at a ratio of one kick to every two handballs.
He is a handy and willing soldier, but gets pumped up as much more by some believing he is in the top echelon of midfield talent.
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Because it is getting the correct results (the water level is rising as intended)Au contraire, my friend - it keeps doing the same thing over and over .....
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Aw cr@p! This is going to be a delayed free-to-air tv game
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Ed Curnow is our tagger and he's out of the game. Charlie is his younger brother who plays up front. You'll still get to see him play dw.
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Flying over on Saturday for this. My first ever AFL game at the MCG. Not massively confident, but hoping for a win. Any margin will do - just win, darn it.
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Excellent, excellent OP.
What a standard this year.
What a standard this year.
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Also Carlton have been terrible for 15 years. How are they in front 18-17?
Even when a team is crap, the home ground advantage in the 'being crap' era helps enormously. 3-3 out of the last 6 games (all in Melbourne FFS). Should have been 5-1 our way.
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Is there an inverse relationship between the quality of the Face Off thread and the quality of the Crows' play?
I did the Richmond game. Not sure what that says
Deaneus!
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Is there an inverse relationship between the quality of the Face Off thread and the quality of the Crows' play?
I did the Richmond game. Not sure what that says
Impossible, i did the Brisbane game.
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I think I'm onto something
