Coach Fages and the coaching group

[M Malice]

Coleman, L.Ashcroft, McLachlan, the big question

Obviously Kiddy is a question because of the knee but if he can get right, he is almost a seamless transition from Zorks. L.Ashcroft and McLachlan already look the goods but the big question is Oscar. I really like us chasing Draper just quietly.

Spot on with Kiddy in the Zorks role, ideal would be to have 2 elite ball users out of the back half though.. and I think we have Neale "replacement" worked out, any of Ashcroft x 2 or Annable, want to be bloody good to approach Lachie levels of play though as a pure inside mid.

Not too worried about the big O successor, you can get by with an adequate break even ruck and still be a contender for flags eg Darcy Fort.

IMO Charlie in his best form is the hardest to replace, you can not beat pace.

 

[BangyBangy]

Coleman, L.Ashcroft, McLachlan, the big question

Obviously Kiddy is a question because of the knee but if he can get right, he is almost a seamless transition from Zorks. L.Ashcroft and McLachlan already look the goods but the big question is Oscar. I really like us chasing Draper just quietly.

Max Gawn was pretty adamant that Smith was going to be the next big thing, and I am biased enough to believe anything I want to agree with, but he's still young. Draper is 26, not particularly fantastic as a ruck, but a good age if we want to give Smith a few more years to develop.

 

[KissKiss]

Max Gawn was pretty adamant that Smith was going to be the next big thing, and I am biased enough to believe anything I want to agree with, but he's still young. Draper is 26, not particularly fantastic as a ruck, but a good age if we want to give Smith a few more years to develop.

I will say rucks dont tend to hit their peak till about 26. I agree that sometimes Draper has been a bit of a meme player. For example people are really critical of the round the corner kicking but he kicked 7.2 this year doing it which is way more accurate than our forward line. He looks like to me he had started to grow up this year and figure out what he needed to do to be a serious player. He was willing to change his role to be a forward and did reasonably well for a poor team and then went to the middle and got hurt. He wouldnt be the worst option going around

 

[Section 5]

I will say rucks dont tend to hit their peak till about 26. I agree that sometimes Draper has been a bit of a meme player. For example people are really critical of the round the corner kicking but he kicked 7.2 this year doing it which is way more accurate than our forward line. He looks like to me he had started to grow up this year and figure out what he needed to do to be a serious player. He was willing to change his role to be a forward and did reasonably well for a poor team and then went to the middle and got hurt. He wouldnt be the worst option going around

Nah we have our own sharpshooter in Gardiner 6.2 this year

 

[Tom14]

I will say rucks dont tend to hit their peak till about 26. I agree that sometimes Draper has been a bit of a meme player. For example people are really critical of the round the corner kicking but he kicked 7.2 this year doing it which is way more accurate than our forward line. He looks like to me he had started to grow up this year and figure out what he needed to do to be a serious player. He was willing to change his role to be a forward and did reasonably well for a poor team and then went to the middle and got hurt. He wouldnt be the worst option going around

He's going to get offers of 900k and is coming off an achilles. He doesn't offer much in the way of intercept marking either. He's not really a forward ruck either though the bombers have played him there.

Pass!

 

[SpecialBruce]

Draper is an upgrade on McInerney, and is younger. Yes please!

 

[braddsey]

Draper is an upgrade on McInerney, and is younger. Yes please!

I don’t think he is better than Oscar. Concern on Oscar is purely age and wear on his body.

 

[Tom14]

I don’t think he is better than Oscar. Concern on Oscar is purely age and wear on his body.

He'd also be paid like 250k more than oscar a year. AWFUL.

 

[SpecialBruce]

He'd also be paid like 250k more than oscar a year. AWFUL.

Doesn't mean Oscar would stay on the list if Draper came. Oscar is expendable.

 

[M Malice]

No ruck is worth big money... unless he is a prime younger Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

type and even then I wouldn't be giving prime Max over a Million a season, even he is not all that great resting forward.

Elite KPF who are more than handy ruck relief are the hardest breed to find and very valuable eg. Joe Daniher, Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

.

 

[Dalions]

No ruck is worth big money... unless he is a prime younger Max Gawn type and even then I wouldn't be giving prime Max over a Million a season, even he is not all that great resting forward.

Elite KPF who are more than handy ruck relief are the hardest breed to find and very valuable eg. Joe Daniher, Tom Hawkins.

Not sure Tom Hawkins ever actually played relief ruck.
He took a few contests when the ball was deep forward but not around the ground from memory.

 

[M Malice]

Not sure Tom Hawkins ever actually played relief ruck.
He took a few contests when the ball was deep forward but not around the ground from memory.

Yep I think you're right, I just have scars from Tom manhandling our ruckmen, plucking the ball out of the contest and snapping goals.

 

[Dalions]

Yep I think you're right, I just have scars from Tom manhandling our ruckmen, plucking the ball out of the contest and snapping goals.

That he did!

 

[KissKiss]

He's going to get offers of 900k and is coming off an achilles. He doesn't offer much in the way of intercept marking either. He's not really a forward ruck either though the bombers have played him there.

Pass!

Im not saying he would be the highest target, but being a free agent at his age and with where our list is at? I can understand asking questions of him. I dont think he would come here (would get more money elsewhere and is he going home to Adelaide?) but I get the consideration

 

[briztoon]

No ruck is worth big money... unless he is a prime younger Max Gawn type and even then I wouldn't be giving prime Max over a Million a season, even he is not all that great resting forward.

Elite KPF who are more than handy ruck relief are the hardest breed to find and very valuable eg. Joe Daniher, Tom Hawkins.

NicNat.

 

[M Malice]

NicNat.

Not much good resting forward either, averages .5 goals per game over his career, similar to Max Gawn and Dean Cox, prime NicNat right now 850K per year IMO.

 

[briztoon]

Not much good resting forward either, averages .5 goals per game over his career, similar to Max Gawn and Dean Cox, prime NicNat right now 850K per year IMO.

Look up his clearance and inside 50 stats.

 

[Tom14]

Not much good resting forward either, averages .5 goals per game over his career, similar to Max Gawn and Dean Cox, prime NicNat right now 850K per year IMO.

NicNat was worth top of the market money, but also got injured a lot towards the end.

 

[mpal6]

Doesn't mean Oscar would stay on the list if Draper came. Oscar is expendable.

Nah, bad move. Big O clearly is a heart n soul type player for us and our club won't punt him like a commodity.

 

[martinson]

Unless we thought we could dramatically improve Draper in some way I think it would be a bad move.

 

[p4p1]

NicNat.

The down side with NicNat was that you had to play a second ruck. I don’t think he ever rested forward, at least I can’t remember him ever doing it after Cox retired.

 

[briztoon]

The down side with NicNat was that you had to play a second ruck.

Why? Just play Daniher as the second ruck.

I don’t think he ever rested forward, at least I can’t remember him ever doing it after Cox retired.

 

[mighty_lions]

Doesn't mean Oscar would stay on the list if Draper came. Oscar is expendable.

draper is a potato

 

[Elixuh]

Why? Just play Daniher as the second ruck.

Daniher is gone BT and he isn’t coming back. Too soon.

 

[briztoon]

Daniher is gone BT and he isn’t coming back. Too soon.

So to is NicNat.