Fall and Fall of Big Bash

[big_e]

I never said deserve. I said let them have the day off. It's one day.

You think there's no good reason to not have it. I haven't seen a good reason to have it. You want something to change? Give me a good reason to change it. More than the standard "Oh these professions don't have it off".

So you'd be okay with it if the players were?

 

[Cleavy]

So they've confirmed that the final will be on 24 January.
Not a public holiday, not a weekend, a Wednesday night.
Are they trying to kill it off?

Test match starts the next day so I guess they don’t want it clashing?

 

[eth-dog]

So you'd be okay with it if the players were?

Pretty much the only reason I would be okay with it.

 

[4Seasons]

BBL quality has fallen through the floor. One of the big problems for me is the flow on effects it has on the domestic circuit.

It’s taking the better part of 2 months where our domestic cricketers are solely playing 20 over matches. And leaves our long form specialists not even playing cricket.

Really not doing any good for developing our next group of cricketers.

We are developing them for T20 cricket.
Is it really that hard to figure out where the game is going?

 

[H00t]

We are developing them for T20 cricket.
Is it really that hard to figure out where the game is going?

The big bash is terrible for developing cricketers though. Rather than developing their game then refining it in t20 we have players trying to develop in t20.

Players aren’t getting the time in the middle and it’s reinforcing a lot of bad habits.

T20 might be the way is going entertainment wise but it’s going to drastically decrease the quality of cricketers we have coming through.

 

[Teen Wolf]

I like the idea of trialling a BBL game on Christmas night but it has to be a local derby.

It doesn't have to be a local derby, that would just be a waste of an already marquee fixture.

The only reason that's being talked about is because of the weird notion (prevalent in much of Australian sport with regards to public holidays) that it has to be the same matchup every year, and therefore the travel requirements on/around Xmas for players should be minimal.

But rotating the fixture would also greatly minimise travel requirements on/around Xmas for players.

 

[Gough]

It doesn't have to be a local derby, that would just be a waste of an already marquee fixture.

The only reason that's being talked about is because of the weird notion (prevalent in much of Australian sport with regards to public holidays) that it has to be the same matchup every year, and therefore the travel requirements on/around Xmas for players should be minimal.

But rotating the fixture would also greatly minimise travel requirements on/around Xmas for players.

A Sydney derby would be the logical choice for me, I think logistics suggest it should be a derby and history has suggested they're less likely to get push back from the local sky pilots, NRL was first played on Good Friday in 2012, than they are in Victoria. Home grounds could be shared over alternative years and it would give both teams a unique product to market.

 

[Voice of the G]

A Sydney derby would be the logical choice for me, I think logistics suggest it should be a derby and history has suggested they're less likely to get push back from the local sky pilots, NRL was first played on Good Friday in 2012, than they are in Victoria. Home grounds could be shared over alternative years and it would give both teams a unique product to market.

Surely we can survive without cricket on Xmas Day.Backyard cricket with the family yes,domestic cricket no.

 

[nobbyiscool]

It would have to be Melbourne IMO, it's the only place that has a population that is both diverse enough and active enough to go to the cricket on Christmas. Swap the opponents around, and they only play on Christmas Day once every 6 years - but if you play for a Melbourne team, you play (at home) on Christmas every second year, and maybe there's a small salary cap bonus that essentially amounts to "overtime" for playing on Xmas day.

(Edit: I hit send and then realised that the Stars hosting on Xmas day isn't really viable...)

 

[Gough]

Surely we can survive without cricket on Xmas Day.Backyard cricket with the family yes,domestic cricket no.

I'm on the fence about it but suspect it will eventually happen, and that's just the best way I see it proceeding.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Surely we can survive without cricket on Xmas Day.

Just like we can survive if it is played. Those who don't want to watch, don't have to watch.

The BBL should be about giving the people what they want, which is measured first and foremost by TV ratings. Play a game on Christmas, and if the viewership numbers are below average, there's no debate to be had.

 

[big_e]

BBL quality has fallen through the floor. One of the big problems for me is the flow on effects it has on the domestic circuit.

It’s taking the better part of 2 months where our domestic cricketers are solely playing 20 over matches. And leaves our long form specialists not even playing cricket.

Really not doing any good for developing our next group of cricketers.

Sheffield Shield: 10 x 4-day games = 40 days of cricket

One-Day Cup: 7 x 1-day games = 7 days of cricket

BBL: 10 x 1/2-day games = 5 days of cricket

The BBL takes up about six weeks of the summer, but the other two formats go for about four months.

Sorry, what was your point again?

 

[nobbyiscool]

Sheffield Shield: 10 x 4-day games = 40 days of cricket

One-Day Cup: 7 x 1-day games = 7 days of cricket

BBL: 10 x 1/2-day games = 5 days of cricket

The BBL takes up about six weeks of the summer, but the other two formats go for about four months.

Sorry, what was your point again?

Not my argument, but goddamn this breakdown is an incredibly insincere way to try and argue which form of the game players are working on the most.

 

[H00t]

Sheffield Shield: 10 x 4-day games = 40 days of cricket

One-Day Cup: 7 x 1-day games = 7 days of cricket

BBL: 10 x 1/2-day games = 5 days of cricket

The BBL takes up about six weeks of the summer, but the other two formats go for about four months.

Sorry, what was your point again?

Sheffield Shield 40 days is 3840 possible overs, One day is 700 overs. That’s 4540 overs over 4 months. For players to develop and play.

BBL is only 400 overs. It’s just not enough cricket to develop players.

One good hit in Shield and a player will face more deliveries than they will in the entirety of the big bash. That’s without the bad habits t20 reinforces on developing players.

I can understand it from a fan engagement perspective. It’s just terrible at developing our next generation of cricketers.

Instead if the 6 weeks of BBL was more focused on Shield cricket we’d see a stronger test side plus would have players able to push their case for the team as the tests are being played.

 

[largebus]

Test match starts the next day so I guess they don’t want it clashing?

None of the BBL matches start before the Test finishes, unless there's a rain delay. If it were such a clash, why are they playing BBL matches during the Boxing Day Test? It almost reeks of sabotage.

 

[Teen Wolf]

None of the BBL matches start before the Test finishes, unless there's a rain delay. If it were such a clash, why are they playing BBL matches during the Boxing Day Test? It almost reeks of sabotage.

Brisbane Test is a day-nighter, mate.

 

[Cleavy]

What has happened to Stars & Renegades? Cricket Victoria planning rethink after BBL failures

“Look, it’s a combination of factors.”

www.sen.com.au

oh now, they might get their house(s) in order...

 

[big_e]

Sheffield Shield 40 days is 3840 possible overs, One day is 700 overs. That’s 4540 overs over 4 months. For players to develop and play.

BBL is only 400 overs. It’s just not enough cricket to develop players.

One good hit in Shield and a player will face more deliveries than they will in the entirety of the big bash. That’s without the bad habits t20 reinforces on developing players.

I can understand it from a fan engagement perspective. It’s just terrible at developing our next generation of cricketers.

Instead if the 6 weeks of BBL was more focused on Shield cricket we’d see a stronger test side plus would have players able to push their case for the team as the tests are being played.

We just won the World Test Championship. How strong does the side need to be to satisfy you?

Not to mention that we won it with a side full of guys who have played T20 their entire adult lives. One hopes you're happy with how they've developed?

 

[4Seasons]

We just won the World Test Championship. How strong does the side need to be to satisfy you?

Not to mention that we won it with a side full of guys who have played T20 their entire adult lives. One hopes you're happy with how they've developed?

The anti T20 crowd are old men yelling at clouds.
The development of players via T20 has also improved some aspects of Test Cricket. You see some amazing and inventive shots played in Test Cricket that can be attributed to T20 cricket.

The new generation love T20, true cricket fans love all the formats, and stodgy old men try to flex that they are some kind of made up purist.

 

[H00t]

We just won the World Test Championship. How strong does the side need to be to satisfy you?

Not to mention that we won it with a side full of guys who have played T20 their entire adult lives. One hopes you're happy with how they've developed?

Test cricket would be one of the few sports in the world that is going backwards.

In a world where sports science is pushing most sports forward, the quality of cricket is getting worse.

This isn’t an Australian problem, this is world wide. If anything we’ve had a smaller drop off than other countries.

 

[4Seasons]

Test cricket would be one of the few sports in the world that is going backwards.

In a world where sports science is pushing most sports forward, the quality of cricket is getting worse.

This isn’t an Australian problem, this is world wide. If anything we’ve had a smaller drop off than other countries.

The quality of cricket is improving, just not the type of cricket you dig.
It’s not an Australian problem, it’s an old man problem.
And guess what? Young people have minds of their own.

 

[H00t]

The quality of cricket is improving, just not the type of cricket you dig.
It’s not an Australian problem, it’s an old man problem.
And guess what? Young people have minds of their own.

Old man? I’m under 30.

It’s nothing with enjoying t20 as a spectacle. I enjoy watching t20.

It’s just terrible at developing younger cricketers. Reinforces a lot of bad habits and techniques.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Bigger crowd for the Red Terrors at Marvel last night than for yesterday's conclusion of one of the best Test matches on home soil in recent history. Credibility of this thread is in tatters.

Not sure if the MBBG is going to be big enough for Melbash XXV. Maxwell vs McGurk is actually going to make people's heads explode.

 

[Gough]

Just like we can survive if it is played. Those who don't want to watch, don't have to watch.

The BBL should be about giving the people what they want, which is measured first and foremost by TV ratings. Play a game on Christmas, and if the viewership numbers are below average, there's no debate to be had.

In light of the CA's efforts to expand the game in the ex pat Asian community I would see a Christmas Day game as an opportunity for growth there.

 

[Cleavy]

I feel if they wanted to increase the number of games again, they should have double headers on every Saturday and Sunday. It would take some strategic tinkering with the schedule to ensure teams aren't playing on consecutive days though.