Multiplat Fallout 4

[dtm06]

I really like 4, but to me New Vegas is still the Fallout king. Love a desert setting and the story too.

The 'dumbing down' of RPG stats in Bethesda games is real and for me at least, not a good thing (although one could argue it makes the game have wider appeal.)

F4's story was pretty middle of the road at best unfortunately and Bethesdas game engine is starting to look very dated.

Also reckon my view is not helped by the Witcher 3 coming out a few months earlier and doing most things better imo.

Despite all of that I still really enjoyed it, but it's not number 1 for me.

 

[Frank Grimes]

So now that we've had a year to settle down on this, where does everyone rate this? Mainly looking for answers from those who also played 3 & NV.

I rate it about an 8 out of 10 which was expected considering how the previous games were as revolutionary at the time. It didn't wow me like FA 3 & MV but the how you are able to create settlements & how long it's been between installations it deserves about an 8/10.

 

[SwampCreature]

Still haven't gone back after the first DLC ****ed up and I didn't have an earlier save. Wish I handn't have burned $50 on the season pass.

Every time I fall for Bethesda's shit. I should not be allowed to laugh at people who return to cheating partners.

 

[SwampCreature]

The 'dumbing down' of RPG stats in Bethesda games is real

Quick q on this - for everyone really - how much did this affect the experience for you?

I've already bitched about it in this thread but in the end it was a minor quibble in what was a good but broken game.

For a lot of others across the web however it seemed to be a total mood killer.

This is in direct contrast to Mass Effect, which dropped RPG elements to great acclaim for the sequel, but not from myself. I still maintain ME1 is the best in the series for that reason.

I guess my question is, why did Bethesda get heat and Bioware praise for essentially the same design decisions?

 

[dtm06]

Quick q on this - for everyone really - how much did this affect the experience for you?

I've already bitched about it in this thread but in the end it was a minor quibble in what was a good but broken game.

For a lot of others across the web however it seemed to be a total mood killer.

This is in direct contrast to Mass Effect, which dropped RPG elements to great acclaim for the sequel, but not from myself. I still maintain ME1 is the best in the series for that reason.

I guess my question is, why did Bethesda get heat and Bioware praise for essentially the same design decisions?

Definitely affected my enjoyment. Not in a way where I hate the game or anything but it'd be the difference between say a 7/10 and an 8/10.

I started Bethesda games with Oblivion a decade ago and I felt a lot more invested with my character in that game than in anything since. Sure it could be the fact I'm 10 years older now and have a lot more on or maybe have just been exposed to so many more similar games since Oblivion, but I'm convinced its due to the dumbing down of most stuff to do with your character (other than how they look). Also decisions don't seem to have consequences at all anymore.

As for games like ME, I don't really know as I haven't played much of that series at all, but I know with the Witcher I'm a lot more forgiving with the lack of stat building because I'm playing a defined character who should have his skills at a fairly defined level. Plus in that game the other things I'd class as RPG elements like story telling etc are absolutely first class, something that Fallout 4 never quite reaches.

 

[ioppolo]

The dialogue in 3 & NV is far, far superior that it's quite embarrassing IMO. Such dumbed down dialogue, such a dumbed down 'RPG'.

 

[Blacky]

DLCs are on sale on steam

Which are worth getting?

 

[ioppolo]

DLCs are on sale on steam

Which are worth getting?

Far harbor

 

[dumb]

Quick q on this - for everyone really - how much did this affect the experience for you?

dumbing down of rpg stats - did not cause a lack of enjoyment in itself, but to see it you know they've taken the axe to other parts of their games. i knew after playing skyrim that fallout 4 would lobotomize earlier games. lots to do but all of it menial, etc etc.

arena was my first bethesda game but i played that well after it was released, downloaded it from their website. i have some fond memories of playing it but it was hard and the technology of the day restricted gameplay a lot.
(then, skipped a few other elder scrolls and played morrowind)
interestingly there are parts of their early games they've sort of thrown back to over time - arena had the occasional puzzle (skyrim had a lot more, but they more or less give you the answer). fallout 4 throws back to earlier bethesda armor, broken down more into body parts - skyrim only has boots, helmets, cuirasses, gauntlets and shields.

there's other dumbing downs that contribute far more to my boredom of fallout 4 than the stats though... the quests. like skyrim, leaning on the radiant AI might mean a lot of quests but they are deadly dull. there's no sense of achievement because you're handed the keys to everything so early on in a questline. i could go on, but the question was about the stats. i found the perk tree a downer. they've streamlined the game almost to bare bones, like to the point where they couldn't even be bothered creating interesting towns and instead got you to create towns you could jerk off to while you took screenshots, that filled up with nobodies.

 

[eDPS]

I've done the opposite to most in my time with the Fallout series. I started with 4 then went to 3 and now I'm 20 hours into New Vegas. I prefer New Vegas to 3 but 4 is still my favourite, i prefer the combat and exploration in 4 compared to the other 2. Story wise I'm liking New Vegas the most. Character wise I also like New Vegas but I'm yet to meet a character I like as much as Nick Valentine. Everyone talks about the dialogue in Fallout 4 being terrible but even with more options in the other 2 it hasn't made the dialogue much better for me. I've still got a lot of time left with New Vegas so it could beat 4 for me as long as it doesn't keep freezing and glitching on me haha

 

[dtm06]

I've done the opposite to most in my time with the Fallout series. I started with 4 then went to 3 and now I'm 20 hours into New Vegas. I prefer New Vegas to 3 but 4 is still my favourite, i prefer the combat and exploration in 4 compared to the other 2. Story wise I'm liking New Vegas the most. Character wise I also like New Vegas but I'm yet to meet a character I like as much as Nick Valentine. Everyone talks about the dialogue in Fallout 4 being terrible but even with more options in the other 2 it hasn't made the dialogue much better for me. I've still got a lot of time left with New Vegas so it could beat 4 for me as long as it doesn't keep freezing and glitching on me haha

My main problem with the speech in 4 is that all options seem to lead to the same conclusion. Having options that change things locked behind stat levels in NV was great imo.

There are some good companions in NV, but yeah, that is something I reckon 4 does do better too.

 

[Mancey]

Played them all, love em all tbh. I probably rate NV the highest, just love the western vibe and the levelling system I think was the best of all of them.

Agree 4 had its issues with the dumbing down etc, but the building aspect was a cool addition that I wasted a lot of time on, plus some of the characters, like Valentine, are some of the best of all the games

I put more hours into 4 than any of the others, I was happy with it

Agree radiant quests can GGF tho

 

[ioppolo]

NV & 3 had side quests with depth that also added to LORE. 4 did **** all in that regard.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I found the lore was embedded in the world itself.

It didn't feel as RPGy, but the gunplay was much better. I didnt bother with the settlements, but I put 150 hours and loved most of my time with it. In terms of DLC, Far Harbour was excellent, Nuka World is one of the greater missed opportunities in DLC history.

Having said that, Im not sure how long Bethesda can keep going back to the same well.

 

[Jack Richards]

The mods enhancement makes it enjoyable. Sony need to allow external assets though, especially if this becomes more popular with other companies and not just Bethesda.

 

[AngryRanga]

If I am to play an older Fallout, is Fallout 3 or New Vegas better?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

If I am to play an older Fallout, is Fallout 3 or New Vegas better?

General consensus is that Fallout 3 has the better world and setting. FNV has more RPG systems and better writing.
Usually I'd say play both, but you probably don't have 500 hours to toss around.

 

[eDPS]

If I am to play an older Fallout, is Fallout 3 or New Vegas better?

I'd go NV first and if you don't like it then you won't like 3.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

If I am to play an older Fallout, is Fallout 3 or New Vegas better?

New Vegas is more out in the open, fallout 3 has too much tunneling and shit around inner DC.

 

[gaskin]

fallout 3 has too much tunneling and shit around inner DC.

Not really. Once you get into DC then you can get around easy enough without using the Metro or only having to be underground for 2 minutes. I prefer that to how open New Vegas is as ruins like that actually make it seem like you are in a world destroyed by nuclear war. There is plenty of open space to roam around outside of inner DC.

 

[MakeshiftMartyr]

I much preferred the environment of 3 but appreciated the depth of NV and the variety of groups.

 

[ioppolo]

If you want pure RPG elements go New Vegas.

 

[AngryRanga]

I discovered that I have a code for Fallout 3 for free that came with my Fallout 4, so convenience made the decision for me.

I have no clue whether I will enjoy the older Fallout's, but I will find out.

 

[eDPS]

I discovered that I have a code for Fallout 3 for free that came with my Fallout 4, so convenience made the decision for me.

I have no clue whether I will enjoy the older Fallout's, but I will find out.

Word of advice the start of the game has a lot more different options to take compared to 4, combat may frustrate you but the early game dialogue is really good

 

[00Stinger]

I discovered that I have a code for Fallout 3 for free that came with my Fallout 4, so convenience made the decision for me.

I have no clue whether I will enjoy the older Fallout's, but I will find out.

What d you mean you have a code for fallout 3?

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