Famous Athiest Now Believes In God

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#51
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You're cracking jokes aren't you.

ps - what do you have to say about all those priests who do things to little boys, not to mention the establishments that condone it by simply moving the perpetrators aside and not expelling them????
I say they are filthy perverts and will be dealt with extra harshly as they have used their position as a representative of God to commit detestable acts.
 

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I say they are filthy perverts and will be dealt with extra harshly as they have used their position as a representative of God to commit detestable acts.
Too true.

Birdy, you can believe it whatever mythology you like, but those who protect paedophiles must be punished and those who are paedophiles must be exposed and brought to justice.

too long have these slime, as well as those in schools, police, politics and other positions of power escaped the law.

I think much more has to be done to expose the child sex trade as well. Australia is progressing in hunting down and exposing those that fools like \pell and the former GG tried to protect, and many are being caught, as well as those who try and protect and hid those in the public and private schooling system.

the next major arm should be hunting down the slime who go to thailand/burma/sri lanka/india/vietnam etc to take advantage of children.
 

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the next major arm should be hunting down the slime who go to thailand/burma/sri lanka/india/vietnam etc to take advantage of children.
I have a very sharp knife that I am willing to use, if someone wants me to deal out justice to these bastards when they are caught. :mad:
 

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I have a very sharp knife that I am willing to use, if someone wants me to deal out justice to these bastards when they are caught. :mad:
I think that sometimes is a solution, but then we become the animals that they are.

the difference between civilisation and barbarians it is often said is the rule of law, and when that breaks down...

It has nothing to do with religious, the failure of civilisation, but when the rules of law that society seems as standard, fail.
 

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Flew is/was an English philosopher. English philosophers are convinced there IS an answer. English philosophers often think they have found that answer. If they were not to do so, their lives would be rendered meaningless. If this were to happen they might find themselves in the same position as the rest of us. This is not a situation they could possibly contemplate. This would make them something less than a philosopher. This could see them portrayed as human.

The stupid ****** still thinks there is an answer, and that he's found it. This is almost as absurd as the assertion that there are only two ways of explaining human existence - Creationism or Darwinism. We are having the wrong argument, with all the usual suspects trotting out the hackneyed accusations involving God V Science. Therein lies an artificial, irresolvable conflict. Let's be creative and think outside these demeaning, inarticulate, logical/illogical strictures. The world of thought has moved on from these narrow confines. Get with the program. Read more diverse opinions.

Of course, those who perceive their lives as being totally rational and logical in all aspects may carry on as they have before. I'll send you an E-Mail to La-La land.

Therein lies madness and futility.

I'll circulate same to all those religious irrationalists. Damn, you were so close to thinking. At least your ideas have some element of creativity. Oops, I've made a funny.
 

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Of course, those who perceive their lives as being totally rational and logical in all aspects may carry on as they have before. I'll send you an E-Mail to La-La land.

Therein lies madness and futility.
So if we are to look at things logically and rationally and base our ideas on evidence instead of heresay we are insane ?

I better get on that train to la la land then skilts.
 

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Why? 200 years of explanation not enough for you? Science and religion can live in harmony you know.

You must be one of these people who believes

The World is flat
The Earth is the Centre of the Universe
The Sun revolves around the Earth


200 years of explanation? I almost choked up my coffee when I read that...

Funny how the Bible was a force in combating those three false ideas, now, isn't it?
 

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He might have changed all the rules in the last 2000 years and elected not to tell us. He is God afterall. I think your claim to know the will of God and know who is or isn't a sinner, is sinful.

If you claim to believe in God, then you can never hope to know or understand him. He is either knowable which means He is not a God, or unknowable which means you are just guessing what He wants.
Please explain, Weaver, because I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint. How can a god not be knowable? He is God after all :p

You come across as an agnostic. Why can't God be known?
 

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200 years of explanation? I almost choked up my coffee when I read that...
Yes well then almost 150 years, Origin of the species was published in 1859, Mendel started his pea experiments in 1856. Mendel was an Austrian Monk, so i suppose you would consider him a heretic. But hopefully it will open your eyes that not all answers come from a 2000 year old book that has been extensively modified by pagans.



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Funny how the Bible was a force in combating those three false ideas, now, isn't it?
The men (not the bible) who combated those ideas were put in Jail and worse by the church. The history of christianity is the history of suppressing science.
 

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Please explain, Weaver, because I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint. How can a god not be knowable? He is God after all :p

You come across as an agnostic. Why can't God be known?
A God can do as he pleases. A God dictates what is and isn't a sin. A God can choose who can and can't go to heaven. A God can change the rules at any time and simply decide "no soup for you". God can decide that on Tuedays nobody over 6ft can get into heaven.

You can think you know you wife / family / friends VERY VERY well. However you can't be confident that tommorrow night they won't put a lifetime of Strawberry Icecream behind them and say, "I fancy choc-chip". The only mind you can know completely is your own (even that could be iffy).

So when Christians say gays, atheists and glaziers are going to hell they are GUESSING what God will do. They are claiming that they know God's mind. They are saying that because God may (or may not) have opted for the Vanilla Icecream in 4AD he still prefers it to Choc-Mint, and would never ever go for Choc-Mint.

If you believe in all powerful God, then you can't claim to speak for him, you can't decide what is and isn't a sin (that is His job), you can't assign people to Hell.

As for this view being agnostic, it is actually more Eastern Orthodox. God is unknowable. No amount of study or prayer will let you know God's will. It is not for us to understand him, simply to worship him. One of the many 'heresies' that has split the Church.

So when someone like Birdy suggests I am going to Hell I stop and think ... I haven't committed to many sins in my life, certainly no big ones ... on the other hand Birdy has claimed to speak on God's behalf, claimed to know God's mind. In my book that is surely a bigger sin than all the others and it is Birdy going to Hell?
 

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So when someone like Birdy suggests I am going to Hell I stop and think ... I haven't committed to many sins in my life, certainly no big ones ... on the other hand Birdy has claimed to speak on God's behalf, claimed to know God's mind. In my book that is surely a bigger sin than all the others and it is Birdy going to Hell?
Get those marsh mellows ready Birdy. All this time you have been condemning anyone you dont agree with. It is not your place to do so and now you must accept its its gods will for you to burn in the fires of hell for eternity.
That must feel pretty scary for an evil sinner of mass proportions like yourself.
 

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lol.Great post Weaver.

You can never have too many 'does god exhist threads'.Hope this lasts 15 pages.......

Keep it comin' Birdy

Weaver said:
In my book that is surely a bigger sin than all the others and it is Birdy going to Hell?
This begs the question how does God rate sin.Would he have a hard and fast list with various rankings? Maybe he apportions sins a points system and when you have accumulated enough points you automatically go to hell.

I wonder if like his change of icecream he perhaps mixes it up a little(just for a laugh) and makes vitrtues counts as sins for a few weeks.

It would be interesting to know the system.
 

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Please explain, Weaver, because I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint. How can a god not be knowable? He is God after all :p

You come across as an agnostic. Why can't God be known?
A God cannot be known because there IS NO SUCH THING.

If you are right that there is this God thing, are all the Muslims / Buddhists / Hindu's / etc wrong? Or if one one them is right is everyone else wrong?

Until someone provides me with conrete proof of the existence of such a being I will always side with the atheists.

ps - Birdy - you say that "they are filthy perverts and will be dealt with extra harshly". By whom - the church or the legal system? The church do stuff all to stop it. Which is why this outdated institution is dying.
 

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ps - Birdy - you say that "they are filthy perverts and will be dealt with extra harshly". By whom - the church or the legal system? The church do stuff all to stop it. Which is why this outdated institution is dying.

I'm pretty sure Birdy is saying,don't worry, God will deal with them Leper.

Thats why I'm interested in God's rating system.
 

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I'm pretty sure Birdy is saying,don't worry, God will deal with them Leper.

Thats why I'm interested in God's rating system.
Interesting concept - I bit like losing points on your licence?

I thought the theory for sinners was "one strike and you're out"?

But wait - you can go to confession and clear the slate - great system!!!!
 

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If you are right that there is this God thing, are all the Muslims / Buddhishts / Hindu's / etc wrong? Or if one one them is right is everyone else wrong?
Thats the bit that is most perplexing, I spent some time with a tibetian monk in northern india. He was probably the most devout, charitable and generally good person I ever met. Under the Christian ethos he will not go to heaven because he does not believe in a chrisitan god. I imagine thier are similar human beings in other religious faiths. In addition until the last 150 years half the world's population did not even here about Jesus, so they had no choice to believe in the one true god, so they all go to hell through lack of information. Damn Science it should have helped Guttenburg develop the printing press 1500 years before he did.
 

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God's word is the bible.
Lot's wife gets turned to salt for looking back,
Then her daughters screw Lot and nothing?
Bible read great sex, violence, Morality .... no
 

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This begs the question how does God rate sin.Would he have a hard and fast list with various rankings? Maybe he apportions sins a points system and when you have accumulated enough points you automatically go to hell.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Karma. The law is so precice, that your debt will match the crime by default. You don't have a choice. You will learn from your selfish acts, as you will have the same selfish action occur against you...in this life, or the next.

Buddah explained that everything negative in your life, occurs as a direct result of desire. Actions taken with an interest of the self, is the reason we're stuck (being educated within) in this plane of consciousness.

Elimination of desire is known as enlightenment. We will all achieve it, in this life or in a future life.

As for this 'aethiest' guy, good on him. Science is indeed doing a very good job in proving spirituality. In the near future, I anticipate that science will be able to measure (physically) what is currently known as the metaphysical.

Scientists keep on climbing the mountain of the Universe, and when they finally reach the top, they'll find a million holy men meditating at its peak!
 

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Scientists keep on climbing the mountain of the Universe, and when they finally reach the top, they'll find a million holy men meditating at its peak!
Umm... yeah if you say so.
Im thinking when they reach the top they will have the proof that all of these 'holy men' are nothing but manipulative lying power mongers and the world will finally have the courage and conviction to rid itself of religion forever.

:p
 
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I wonder if the promise of everlasting immortal bliss to come in exchange for a sh1t life here (while the 'sellers' seem to have quite a nice life here as well as hereafter) appeals to the kind of person who lose their savings on get rich quick schemes.

The promise is obviously too good to be true but have faith, brother, just THINK if it actually was true.
 

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Umm... yeah if you say so.
Im thinking when they reach the top they will have the proof that all of these 'holy men' are nothing but manipulative lying power mongers and the world will finally have the courage and conviction to rid itself of religion forever.

:p
So many of you confuse spirituality with religion.

It's sad, because you all hide behind your disgruntled ego and shut out the fact that there are altruistic mystics whom have told us about the Universal Consciousness, what it means and how to end the cycle of rebirth into this plane of consciousness and reuinite ourselves with the giving consciousness.

What idiot preachers choose to do thereafter with the religion, does not alter what I perceive as extrememly important advice from these mystics, and the truth is out there if you choose to seek it.

A question; how many 'manipulative lying power mongers' are high up in the Buddhist world? Funny how people see what they want to see, but as Gautama Buddah pointed out, the root of all suffering is ignorance and that ignorance is brought about by desire. End the desire to stroke your own egos, and seek the truth. It's available to you today!
 

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FIGJAM said:
A question; how many 'manipulative lying power mongers' are high up in the Buddhist world? !
Not many in the tibetian world

FIGJAM said:
Funny how people see what they want to see, but as Gautama Buddah pointed out, the root of all suffering is ignorance and that ignorance is brought about by desire. End the desire to stroke your own egos, and seek the truth. It's available to you today!
The only problem is the mathermatics of rebirth
 

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#75
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Weaver you trying to manipulate God into a being of your own making. If you want to know the will of God a good place to start would be reading His book!
Birdy just a thought..Genesis 1:27 states that God created man in his own image..

What if Man created God in his own image..and the gods we want are the gods we get?You want a pious god , a muslim wants a vengeful god and a baptist wants a god that lets him screw young girls and boys..
 
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