Famous Athiest Now Believes In God

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PerthCrow said:
Birdy just a thought..Genesis 1:27 states that God created man in his own image..

What if Man created God in his own image..and the gods we want are the gods we get?You want a pious god , a muslim wants a vengeful god and a baptist wants a god that lets him screw young girls and boys..
That's an interesting thought, but not one worth contemplating for too long.

The reference to us being created in God's image, refers to our consciousness. God is a reference to the creative consciousness. We are all blessed with the creative consciousness (free will).

I'm not going to explain it very well, as I'm tired from playing in the snow all day (in Sweden! :cool: ), so I'll give you this link, which I consider to be the best explanation of consciousness I've read. Simple to understand too.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce04.html

For mine, all reference to God/Allah/Jahova/Light, no matter which man made skew that is injected into a religion, is to the same giving consciousness from which we all came. Religion is what it is, because our free will has in many instances ruined the truth for selfish interests. Regardless, we will all return to the same giving force; sooner or later...you make the choice!
 

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That's an interesting thought, but not one worth contemplating for too long.

The reference to us being created in God's image, refers to our consciousness. God is a reference to the creative consciousness. We are all blessed with the creative consciousness (free will).

I'm not going to explain it very well, as I'm tired from playing in the snow all day (in Sweden! :cool: ), so I'll give you this link, which I consider to be the best explanation of consciousness I've read. Simple to understand too.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce04.html

For mine, all reference to God/Allah/Jahova/Light, no matter which man made skew that is injected into a religion, is to the same giving consciousness from which we all came. Religion is what it is, because our free will has in many instances ruined the truth for selfish interests. Regardless, we will all return to the same giving force; sooner or later...you make the choice!
You dont know the Warshawski brothers do you? Sounds and reads very Matrix-like to me. While I wont disagree with you I would like to point out a few inconsistencies I would like explained and also make comment on some things I found odd.

According to the secret teachings...not a secret anymore I would think

It’s important for us to realize that at this point in our existence we did not have physical bodies. All of what has just been described occurred within the Mind of God. Consequently, its "form" resembled that of thought rather than physical objects. In the very beginning we were individual points of consciousness within the one great Universal Consciousness


Reminds me of a Penthouse cartoon where a white robed bearded figure was blowing bubbles in the likeness of Earth....

At first we were quiet, our wills content to observe the wonders of the spiritual creation as they flowed from the Mind of God. In these early periods we were so much a part of the Creator’s Consciousness that we were one with It, virtually indistinguishable from It

Then whose will was controlling the thoughts? Ours or Gods?

the all-knowing Universal One knew the potential dangers in giving beings complete freedom to do as they desired. However, the potential joy of sharing life with true companions, not servants, was deemed worth the risk

Isnt that a human trait? The desire for companionship? How long before the ''one'' decided he/she/it was lonely?

Of course, this sense of separation was all in our minds, so to speak, because there really was no way we could exist outside of the Whole because everything was of spirit

Once again if we were a part of gods conciousness how are we to blame?


If, however, a soul has gotten so far away from its true nature that it has no conscience, then the law of karma can become a formidable obstacle to any further free-will action. Such a soul becomes surrounded by its karma; everywhere it turns, it meets the terrible effects of its previous action and thoughts. Yet, even a soul who has gotten in this pathetic situation can return to perfection because there is no total condemnation from the Creator or the law. If the soul turns away from its self-centeredness and begins acting, reacting, thinking, and speaking like a companion to the Universe, then the law is just as perfect as it is with error; and the reactions begin to build and establish a new destiny for that soul.

Cant have a religion without an escape clause can we.



FYI Edgar Cayce died(well his earthly body did) in 1945

http://www.edgarcayce.org/edgar-cayce1.html


Just thought I would mention it because they used ECs name on a 2004 website...unless he came back
 

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You dont know the Warshawski brothers do you? Sounds and reads very Matrix-like to me. While I wont disagree with you I would like to point out a few inconsistencies I would like explained and also make comment on some things I found odd.[/url]
I love the Matrix, but don't ever forget that it's the writers who are directly lifting ideas from spiritual paths such as Buddhism and Gnostisism and not the other way around.

If you see some similarities in Matrix-like thinking, don't think that they made it up with their genius. It's information, retrieved via meditation by many different mystics accross the world, which has been around for thousands of years.

PerthCrow said:
According to the secret teachings...not a secret anymore I would think

It’s important for us to realize that at this point in our existence we did not have physical bodies. All of what has just been described occurred within the Mind of God. Consequently, its "form" resembled that of thought rather than physical objects. In the very beginning we were individual points of consciousness within the one great Universal Consciousness

Reminds me of a Penthouse cartoon where a white robed bearded figure was blowing bubbles in the likeness of Earth....
A better analogy is a non-robed logic, playing a symphony with an infinite amount of vibrating strings. Everything is interconnected and everything vibrates in harmony and with logic (see the Hermetic principles).

PerthCrow said:
At first we were quiet, our wills content to observe the wonders of the spiritual creation as they flowed from the Mind of God. In these early periods we were so much a part of the Creator’s Consciousness that we were one with It, virtually indistinguishable from It

Then whose will was controlling the thoughts? Ours or Gods?
Ours were, but at that stage we weren't aware of the power that was granted to us. Once we did, we soon became entranced by our own creativity and as such, was given our own distinct plane of consciousness to experiment with. We are co-creators of our own existence.

PerthCrow said:
the all-knowing Universal One knew the potential dangers in giving beings complete freedom to do as they desired. However, the potential joy of sharing life with true companions, not servants, was deemed worth the risk

Isnt that a human trait? The desire for companionship? How long before the ''one'' decided he/she/it was lonely?
That's something which is very difficult to understand. Outside of the observable Universe, time does not exist.

An equally relevant question to pose to scientists, is how long did nothingness sit there, until the Big Bang occurred? I think the correct answer is that is that it is entirely irrelevant in both cases!

PerthCrow said:
Of course, this sense of separation was all in our minds, so to speak, because there really was no way we could exist outside of the Whole because everything was of spirit

Once again if we were a part of gods conciousness how are we to blame?/QUOTE]
God knew full well what was going to happen. Remember, God is Genius. It's like Bach plus Einstein plus De Vinci plus every other genius ever multiplied by a gazillion.

A paradox we must all face, is that in order to be companions with God, we must be like God. We must be one with God. But the paradox is, that in doing so, we would appear to lose our individuality, which ********es aethiests off no end. But it's not the case. We will always be ourselves.

Put it this way, we've all got mates. There all pretty similar to us and we enjoy each other's company. We don't really want ****************s hanging around with us, and as such, don't let them hang around with us. But despite the fact that your mates are similar, you wouldn't want them to be so similar that you were hanging around with yourself. So how does the all knowing consciousness ensure that the calibre of sould he recoups are independant? He gives them free will. And how does he ensure that they will want to return to him as companions? He places one law, the law of cause and effect.

PerthCrow said:
If, however, a soul has gotten so far away from its true nature that it has no conscience, then the law of karma can become a formidable obstacle to any further free-will action. Such a soul becomes surrounded by its karma; everywhere it turns, it meets the terrible effects of its previous action and thoughts. Yet, even a soul who has gotten in this pathetic situation can return to perfection because there is no total condemnation from the Creator or the law. If the soul turns away from its self-centeredness and begins acting, reacting, thinking, and speaking like a companion to the Universe, then the law is just as perfect as it is with error; and the reactions begin to build and establish a new destiny for that soul.

Cant have a religion without an escape clause can we.

I'm not talking about any religion and it's not really an escape clause.

Take Stalin for example. Imagine his Karmic debt. It would be as much as anyone ever. But killing off the soul is not in the nature of the giving force. Forgiveness is. The force finds a path for the sould to take, to adequately remediate

The only way I've ever heard it explained to me in any way which makes sense, is to look at it this way; can you hate a person with Downes Syndrome. Do you wish them harm? Would you rather they just disappeared into obscurity? I hope your answer is "Of course not!".

Well that's God's view to people with big Karmic debts. Rather than just bury them with the universal law of cause and effect, the universal consciousness treats people like Stalin and Hitler as being spiritually ******ed. As am I and as and as are you (obviously not in the ball park of the other two just quietly).

Treat evil as people who are ******ed. You don't hate a ******ed person for making socially obscure errors. You understand and you help them where you can.

The only way to erradicate the ignorance which causes our spiritual ******ation, is to achieve enlightenment / Christ consciousness / Buddahood.

PerthCrow said:
FYI Edgar Cayce died(well his earthly body did) in 1945

http://www.edgarcayce.org/edgar-cayce1.html

Just thought I would mention it because they used ECs name on a 2004 website...unless he came back

I don't understand your point. I know Cayce is dead. He did his work in the early 1900s. It's his student who is providing an interperetation of Cayce's work on consciousness which was retreived via meditation.
 
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