Opinion Fan misery index by team supported

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Freomaniac

Brownlow Medallist
May 3, 2007
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Fremantle
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Without sounding like a broken record, you're completely missing the context.

How long has freo been in the comp? 25 years, lost one. - one!

Pies went on a >32< year drought losing 8 grand finals in the process.

In the last 6 decades they've lost 13 grand finals.

As of right now, we're behind 17 other clubs in the premiership race with little hope of contending for the foreseeable future or even getting off the bottom.

Context. There's your context, so your woe is us doesn't carry weight.
would you support a club that hasnt won a trophy or premiership in their 30-40 year history?
 

Cursed Cat

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 15, 2005
11,003
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Geelong
Ok let's look at that, 2010 we had a probable dynasty team and fat head ed hands the keys to an L plater and the wheels fall off - more tease.

How much joy do you think we got out of 2018 and 2011? Do you think it was something to celebrate? I'll remind you of 2006 & 2014 if that's the case.

Yeah there's always a case of 'at least you got to a grand final' but after losing it 9 times in my lifetime it gets a bit thin. Only Pies fans know that much 'tease'.
Ouch.

I always say that the only opposition fans that can understand the psychology of being a Cats supporter are Collingwood fans.

Those GF losses take a big toll; yes both clubs have been fortunate enough to have won multiple flags in the AFL era, but there have been some bitter bitter pills to swallow in between drinks.
 

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Linda Lovelace

Club Legend
Apr 24, 2013
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I have witnessed four. But watching your club put itself through that ******* drug ordeal through no fault of our (the supporters) own. That must rate high in the misery stakes.
The saga definitely broke many Essendon fans' brains. It turned half miserable and half into raving conspiracy loons. And the 20-year period of failure - which in a historical sense isn't actually that big - is taking its toll as well.

But the Essendon supporter safety blanket is the equal 'most flags' thing. I personally think that holding on to success achieved in an amateur, divided state league 100 years before you were born is beyond idiotic, but Carlton fans are equally guilty of that.

If Collingwood had choked 2 less Grand Finals and could claim the 'most flags' thing, then some of the other chokes would be far more tolerable, because we could at least delude ourselves that we are still overall the most historically successful. But we can't even clutch on to that safety blanket.
 

Carringbush2010

Brownlow Medallist
Jun 6, 2016
12,957
7,996
Perth
AFL Club
Collingwood
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Pines Football Club
Ouch.

I always say that the only opposition fans that can understand the psychology of being a Cats supporter are Collingwood fans.

Those GF losses take a big toll; yes both clubs have been fortunate enough to have won multiple flags in the AFL era, but there have been some bitter bitter pills to swallow in between drinks.
Multiple? Two, should've been more.
 

Football Tragic

Club Legend
Nov 11, 2010
2,209
5,255
Punt Rd End
AFL Club
Richmond
Until just over 4 years, I would have said Tiger supporters had gone through the most pain. A 37 year premier drought is one thing but it was the utter lack of success in making finals and then our catastrophic performance in those extraordinary rare appearances, that caused the more misery.

Additionally it was the media and opposition supporter ridicule, that stung. As a big club, we draw a lot of attention so any story about us sells and rates. It became a hilarious perpetual cycle for people to watch us fail year after year. It also was an easy set up for the media - build up the pressure on the club as the failures mounted, then watch us implode sacking coaches/ turning over boards etc and then sell copious articles about the fall out. Rince and repeat.

I see the media doing the same thing to Carlton atm.

So why I feel for clubs like Collingwood, Saints and Freo for their lack of flag success, Its clubs like Carlton and even Essendon, that have struggled to even win finals of late, that really causes the most misery imho.
 

TP86

Club Legend
Apr 16, 2010
1,254
1,508
AFL Club
Hawthorn
So why I feel for clubs like Collingwood, Saints and Freo for their lack of flag success, Its clubs like Carlton and even Essendon, that have struggled to even win finals of late, that really causes the most misery imho.
There is a huge fan-media contingent cheering Essendon on. They get hyped up every year not because of some build-up/tear-down cycle (like Richmond 90s/00s) but because their nuffy supporters occupy a disproportionate number of high-ranking positions both on air and behind the scenes.

Carlton haven't had the same fan-media infrastructure since 10 lost the rights and Lane, Walls and Maher lost their little clique.
 

Crankyhawk

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 21, 2007
19,627
14,155
Melbourne
AFL Club
Hawthorn
So with the modifications I proposed earlier (-5 misery for a flag if that reduces misery more than going to zero, halve misery for first GF defeat after a previous flag but then add 1 point for each GF loss after without winning a flag in addition to usual misery, bottom 4 = 2 misery points, wooden spoon = 3 misery, finals = 0 misery for that year, but then to get this finals non misery bonus you need to exceed prior finals achievement next time - this counter rests if 5 years out of finals)

Adelaide = 13 (have lost GF since last flag)
Brisbane (starting count from 2001 = 0) = 13 (have lost GF since last flag)
Carlton = 18 (they peak at negative 20 (!) in 1987, and are negative 19 from 1995) (have lost GF since last flag)
Collingwood = (start count from 2010 = 0) = 12 ((have lost GF since last flag)
Essendon = (starting at 1984 = 0) = 24 (have lost GF since last flag)
Fremantle = 20
Geelong = (start at 2007 = 0) = zero misery (have lost GF since last flag). This is due to getting to negative 9 misery at 2011 and losing 2020 did not add a misery point as this was first GF loss since flag in 2011)
Gold Coast = 21 (almost averaging 2 misery/ year of existence)
GWS = 7.5 (have lost GF)
Hawthorn =
Melbourne = zero
North Melbourne (1996 = 0) = 23
Port adelaide =
Richmond (start at 2017 = 0) = negative 8
St Kilda =
Sydney (start at 2005 = 0, works out the same as 2012 = 0) = 11 (hurt by losing more GF and a couple of bottom 4)
WCE = (start at 2018 =0, have done working out from 1987 and they were just above 5 misery at 2018) = 3
Western bulldogs (start at 2016 = 0) = 2 (have lost GF)
Will do the others when I get time

which means
most miserable

Essendon 24
North melbourne 23
Gold coast 21
Fremantle 20
Carlton 18
brisbane, adelaide 13
collingwood 12
sydney 11
GWS 7.5

WCE 3
Bulldogs 2

Melbourne, Geelong 0
Richmond negative 8

(with st kilda - likely highest, port and hawks to do)
 
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SBD Gonzalez

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Jul 5, 2012
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Kidding, right?
Must say, I'm really enjoying this thread! Although there is a tendency for people to try and out-misery everyone else, it's kind of a safe space for everyone to express their deepest disappointments with their clubs to oppo supporters, instead of the usual chest thumping and tyre pumping.
 

footyfan1978

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 27, 2014
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AFL Club
Carlton
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there are no other teams worthy
Must say, I'm really enjoying this thread! Although there is a tendency for people to try and out-misery everyone else, it's kind of a safe space for everyone to express their deepest disappointments with their clubs to oppo supporters, instead of the usual chest thumping and tyre pumping.
I'm amused at types trying to lay claim to out misery Demons long suffering fans before this drought finally broken.
None of others come close to misery they experienced. Were winning it by length of straight at Flemington until this grand final with Saints distant second.
Now Saints take the lead of misery stakes.
 

SBD Gonzalez

Brownlow Medallist
Jul 5, 2012
17,795
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Sydney
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Kidding, right?
I'm amused at types trying to lay claim to out misery Demons long suffering fans before this drought finally broken.
None of others come close to misery they experienced. Were winning it by length of straight at Flemington until this grand final with Saints distant second.
Now Saints take the lead of misery stakes.
All hail the new rulers! ;)
 

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maxiboy238

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Apr 30, 2018
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big Victorian clubs like carlton or essendon have been average for 20 years
lol younger generation of supporters don’t understand the power these club can generate when they get up and running
 

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