FanFooty Fanplanner 2009 (v2)

[Daz]

I was looking at the injury prone players of rusling and hentschel, and i think i might of decided neither of them are worth it. Hentschel hasnt played a game in 2 seasons, although at least in 2004/2005/2006 he played over 18 games. Rusling, although has played 6, 4, 2 an 1 games in the last 4 seasons! Rusling = way too much injury risk, hentschel hasnt played for 3 years, so i think neither of them are worth it. Plus, we dont really know wat to expect rusling to average (having never seen him play a long period of time) - same goes for hentschel having been out for 2 years. Im gonna give both the injury prones a miss and go for some young, fit rookies in teams likely to give them a go - ie yarren/ballantyne

Reckon Rhys O'keefe will get games?

From what I've heard the pre-season reports on Rusling and Hentschel are very different. Apparently Hentschel is struggling but Rusling's looking as good as ever. If you get Rusling, you really only need him for about 6-8 games. I guess history suggests even that might be asking a bit much

 

[Lakey91]

From what I've heard the pre-season reports on Rusling and Hentschel are very different. Apparently Hentschel is struggling but Rusling's looking as good as ever. If you get Rusling, you really only need him for about 6-8 games. I guess history suggests even that might be asking a bit much

Yeh i was just thinking about that after i posted actually. I heard that about Rusling, but still as you said, his injury history is TERRIBLE. He's played (IIRC) 13 games in 4 seasons!!! I havent heared much from Hentschel, but i was just on essendon website to find this (bit old but yeh):

http://www.bombersfc.com.au/Season2008/News/NewsArticle/TabId/6477/default.aspx?newsId=69601

Knights said:

"I was really pleased to see Scott Gumbleton complete both the yo-yo test and the beep test," Knights said on Friday.

"He ran a fairly decent time on the beep test, which pleased me greatly, so it's just good to see him with a smile on his face, enjoying his training.
"His beep test yesterday was decent – probably better than decent – and people have said to me that you can't keep talking about him, but why not?"

Not 100% convincing but a good sign all the same. He also said:

"I will continue to push our young players through to make sure they get experience and game time."

Which is a promising sign for Gumby getting good game time next year.

After all though he was a number 2 draft pick - so he must be alright.

 

[Virgil]

Lakey, I've noticed you put a lot of emphasis on what draft pick a player was when determining their value. TBH it really isn't that big an indicator they'll be a good DT'er.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Gumby's got massive potential, but he won't be fulfilling that next year I don't think. Has been injury riddled throughout his short career and just needs to have a really solid year at Bendigo to get his confidence up. He'll play a few games in the seniors, maybe half a dozen, but I wouldn't think he'd play in the seniors for the majority of the year, thus making him not one of the best cash-cow options.

 

[Daz]

Yeh i was just thinking about that after i posted actually. I heard that about Rusling, but still as you said, his injury history is TERRIBLE. He's played (IIRC) 13 games in 4 seasons!!! I havent heared much from Hentschel, but i was just on essendon website to find this (bit old but yeh):

http://www.bombersfc.com.au/Season2008/News/NewsArticle/TabId/6477/default.aspx?newsId=69601

Knights said:

"I was really pleased to see Scott Gumbleton complete both the yo-yo test and the beep test," Knights said on Friday.

"He ran a fairly decent time on the beep test, which pleased me greatly, so it's just good to see him with a smile on his face, enjoying his training.
"His beep test yesterday was decent – probably better than decent – and people have said to me that you can't keep talking about him, but why not?"

Not 100% convincing but a good sign all the same. He also said:

"I will continue to push our young players through to make sure they get experience and game time."

Which is a promising sign for Gumby getting good game time next year.

After all though he was a number 2 draft pick - so he must be alright.

My worry with Gumby is there is so much competition for key position spots in the bombers side (particularly in the forward line). Up forward they have Lloyd, Lucas and Neagle and down back the have Fletcher, Ryder and now Hurley. Where would he fit in?

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Lakey, I've noticed you put a lot of emphasis on what draft pick a player was when determining their value. TBH it really isn't that big an indicator...

Spot on. Carrazzo's a good example of someone not taken highly in the draft, but has gone on to become a fantastic DT'er despite his not so big reputation.

 

[Buddyman]

The great thing with Rusling though is if he can play 6 games as said before he would of more than done his job depends how his going but will have to watch preseason. Not really points worth but more games worth if he plays 4 and averages ok i think he'll be a must for the bench just me personally.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

My worry with Gumby is there is so much competition for key position spots in the bombers side (particularly in the forward line). Up forward they have Lloyd, Lucas and Neagle and down back the have Fletcher, Ryder and now Hurley. Where would he fit in?

When Scott does come into the side at some stage, I don't think we'll use him to fill a KP spot straight away. Maybe Scott's first few games in the FP, then gradually move him up to HF and then if he shows some positive signs there, and Lucas or someone similar is in bad form, then drop Lucas and possibly give Gumbleton the big job at CHF. Put the ball in Gumby's court for a match or so. 'Show us what you've got big fella!'

 

[Daz]

Lakey, I've noticed you put a lot of emphasis on what draft pick a player was when determining their value. TBH it really isn't that big an indicator they'll be a good DT'er.

Nice point but for midfielders it is very important. Not so much there DT potential but whether they will actually get games. The players below are the only midfielders from the '07 draft to play 15 games or more.

Cotchin (pick 2): 15 games
Morton (pick4): 19 games
Palmer (pick 7): 20 games
Ebert (pick 13): 15 games
Bird (NSW Scholarship): 21

FWIW the only other midfielders from the first round were Masten (injured but played 9 games), Dangerfield (yr 12) and Grimes (injured).

 

[Virgil]

Fair point Dazza, but he was talking about Scott Gumbleton, who is neither a first year player, nor a midfielder.

 

[Daz]

Fair point Dazza, but he was talking about Scott Gumbleton, who is neither a first year player, nor a midfielder.

Agreed, just thought I would take the opportunity to point that out. Sometimes people will jump on the guys named in round one (remember Geary?) and forget about the 1st rounders who nearly always get a lot of games.

 

[Lakey91]

Lakey, I've noticed you put a lot of emphasis on what draft pick a player was when determining their value. TBH it really isn't that big an indicator they'll be a good DT'er.

Yeh it doesnt relate to scoring at all, but i think it can influence TOG and number of games - higher draft picks are generally more supported by a footy club in terms of TOG and matches played i spose. I dont pick players just on draft position obviously - i just like to look back at where rookies have been taken, etc, to see where they might compare to other players on that list in terms of the draft. I in no way think draft pick relates at all to DT, i just think a coach like knights is more likely to back gumby in to play a few games then another key position forward they took at 80 in a draft.

Anyway, what are peoples thoughts of tom logan - just saw that he averaged 85 over last 6 rounds of 2008 (73 for the year). Any port fans know if he is going to be a MF regular next year?

 

[Knight Ryders]

I reckon if Gumby is fit, he'll play. Neagle is the one more likely to be playing at Bendigo. Neagle could play as well, but his fitness would want to improve out of sight, because the only spot for him would be at half forward.

 

[chadleverington]

Nice point but for midfielders it is very important. Not so much there DT potential but whether they will actually get games. The players below are the only midfielders from the '07 draft to play 15 games or more.

Cotchin (pick 2): 15 games
Morton (pick4): 19 games
Palmer (pick 7): 20 games
Ebert (pick 13): 15 games
Bird (NSW Scholarship): 21

FWIW the only other midfielders from the first round were Masten (injured but played 9 games), Dangerfield (yr 12) and Grimes (injured).

The counter to that is that all those teams were really bottom 8 teams. (Yes sydney did get to 6th overall, but never a real chance of going anywhere). Looking at next year, Melbourne and freo could be down there again, maybe west coast. But i would expect Port Adelaide (who had pick 4) to move up the ladder quickly (i know, coming from a Port fan sounds bias). Does this mean Hartlett will be the first round pick that doesn't get games?

 

[Pie Legend]

On Hartlett, I know he hurt his shoulder, just wondering how long that will keep him out for?

 

[chadleverington]

On Hartlett, I know he hurt his shoulder, just wondering how long that will keep him out for?

Not long, was in paper this morning, he is doing most of the drills, but wont be doing the contact/bumping drills until January.

 

[deledio_gun]

I reckon if Gumby is fit, he'll play. Neagle is the one more likely to be playing at Bendigo. Neagle could play as well, but his fitness would want to improve out of sight, because the only spot for him would be at half forward.

I'd agree with saying if gumby is fit, he'll play. But in regards to Neagle, I think essendon's preference would be to play him also, as he clearly showed this year if injury free can be our replacement at full forward for many more years to come!

 

[Lakey91]

ANyone think Lewis and Adcock are underpriced? Adcock averaged 81 in 2006, 89 in 2007 before dropping to just 71 last year - could pick up a potential keeper relatively cheaply. As for Lewis he slid from an average of 95 in 2007 to just 83 in 2008. I think if both have a good preseason they would offer quite good value with both having good potential upside too.

 

[Pie Legend]

With Adcock, you just dont know where he is going to play (unless your Voss, and even he doesnt probably know where to play him).

I think you will have to track preseason, see what he is doing, and how well you think he will score there, as well as seeing how he is doing in that role.

Lewis for me is way underpriced and that 95 says it all

 

[NT.Thunder]

ANyone think Lewis and Adcock are underpriced? Adcock averaged 81 in 2006, 89 in 2007 before dropping to just 71 last year - could pick up a potential keeper relatively cheaply. As for Lewis he slid from an average of 95 in 2007 to just 83 in 2008. I think if both have a good preseason they would offer quite good value with both having good potential upside too.

I think both are underpriced but depending on what role they are going to playing and the mindset that Lewis goes into 2009 with.

Adcock is a real pre-season watch for me and really want to see what role Vossy uses him in. Can see him running through middle at times but mainly used as run and carry down back.

Lewis, well i love him, but from a DT POV i hate the unsociable football that the hawks play....very hard at the footy and very agressive which tends to lead to FA and weeks on the sideline suspended....Lewis has the potential to average 100 imo next year but just have to make sure his head is screwed on right.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

ANyone think Lewis and Adcock are underpriced?

Theoritically they're underpriced.

But they've both been given that price-tag for a reason. As well as many others, track their preseason's closely. If they show some promise early, I see no problem with jumping on their bandwagon/s.

 

[Beau_Waters for PM]

Anyone think Lewis and Adcock are underpriced? Adcock averaged 81 in 2006, 89 in 2007 before dropping to just 71 last year - could pick up a potential keeper relatively cheaply. As for Lewis he slid from an average of 95 in 2007 to just 83 in 2008. I think if both have a good preseason they would offer quite good value with both having good potential upside too.

Although Lewis average may make him seem underpriced, you have to take into account his injury/suspension history. That makes him a little less attractive.

 

[Cruiser23]

Although Lewis average may make him seem underpriced, you have to take into account his injury/suspension history. That makes him a little less attractive.

Good point there Beau, I was surprised to see him only miss 7 games in 3 years though, thought he may have missed a little more. In saying that he did miss 5 games out of the 22 in the home and away season this year. Not really on my radar TBH, those brain fades he has worry me too much.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Does this mean Hartlett will be the first round pick that doesn't get games?

It took Trav Boak halfway through the year to break into our side, and our midfield is probably stronger depth-wise now than it was then, so I don't see Hartlett being any different.

 

[Lakey91]

It took Trav Boak halfway through the year to break into our side, and our midfield is probably stronger depth-wise now than it was then, so I don't see Hartlett being any different.

I was having similar thoughts. The amount of people at port that could be/are part of the midfield rotations is increasing, and the competition for positions is pretty high. Makes me wonder why port didnt do better last year - i think with a key FW or two who could kick 50+ goals in a year would of meant a significantly higher finish for port last year. But just cos hartlett cant get into those midfield rotations doesnt mean he cant play in the back/FW pocket or something - i remember gibbs (well he was at least named there) played a bit in the back pocket during his first season. But I think i will be staying away from hartlett for now and go for someone a bit more certain of quality midfield time.