Fantasy: choose 4 past Collingwood players to slot into the current team...

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If I was to pick one it would be very easily Peter Daicos. He would be pretty much unstoppable this day and age up forward and is exactly what we need right now.

Once you have Daicos you don't really need the rest but here they are anyway:

Buckley. Another who would be suited to the modern game more. Not much he couldn't do. He used to get the hardest possible tags you can imagine and end up with 30+ every game still. Frightening to think how many he would get these days, his use of the ball was always damaging, his metres gained would be off the chart. He would be first picked by Clarko I reckon.

McKenna. A forward that can kick straight, a lost art, a mythical beast.

James Clement. A class defender that was a general in defence and in these days of transitioning the ball from defence he would work very well, plus we would have someone who wouldn't clanger the kick outs.
 

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Love the clip mate but I think it just shows what I'm saying. Woosha hit 4-5 blokes in the vid....all of whom had eyes on the ball and didn't see him coming or had no chance to protect themselves. Graham Wright (Brownlow type wingman), Archer looking for the ball...its not tough hitting a guy that's not seeing you coming. Modra....again eyes on the ball and Woosha lines him up. What I'd define as a tough player is one who knows the contacts coming and continues to run straight. Lethal, Pants and Plugger all had that in em. BTW....Woosha played in the era of Pants and Plugger....can you find any footage of him trying that stuff on them?
Gotta say Rob I cant agree with you here. Worsfold was as tough as any and brave to boot. Have a look at the video again. He was mainly taking on tough players. Archer, Brereton, GAJ (who came at him with forearm raised). He didnt shy away from taking on bigger and stronger opponents and he could take them out. To me a scarier proposition than Pants (sorry). Plugger and Lethal probably deserve a category on their own. As to the clips showing him shirtfronting guys coming at the ball well all of the tough players did that. It was legal. Dermie specialised in it. But all the guys we mention also went when it was their turn. They were brave. Browny was braver again but as you say didn't take people out as a matter of course. Worsfold did.

The hit on Graeme Wright occurred right in front of me at Vic Park. I was close and can still hear the sound as Worsfold hit him. What made Worsfold a lethal force on a footy field happened about 5min before though. Wright had very fairly cleaned up a young WCE player (forget who) and hurt him. Wright was a ball player and it was a completely fair bump. Thats what made Worsfold dangerous. I know as captain he said to himself I will fly the flag and he made it his business to even things out. He seemed to come from nowhere when he hit Wright and was absolute full pace. It was only a matter of minutes. It had to be calculated. Its a dangerous player that has that ability to say I will look for an opportunity to shirtfront you and hurt you as part of my play today. To execute it so strongly was scary. He would have walked off at half time and every teammate around him would have walked taller knowing the captain had their back.

I loved Wright as a player and I felt sorry for him that day. But at the same time you had to be a little in awe of what Worsfold dealt out.
 
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If I go on pure talent 3 go in automatically

Greening
Carmen
Buckley

If I want 4 who will die for their jumper

Brown
T Shaw
Millane
Burns

If I want the 4 best careers

Buckley
Thompson
McKenna
Daicos

If I want the ones I idolised as a kid and later

W Richardson
G Brown
P Carmen
N Buckley
 

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Gotta say Rob I cant agree with you here. Worsfold was as tough as any and brave to boot. Have a look at the video again. He was mainly taking on tough players. Archer, Brereton, GAJ (who came at him with forearm raised). He didnt shy away from taking on bigger and stronger opponents and he could take them out. To me a scarier proposition than Pants (sorry). Plugger and Lethal probably deserve a category on their own. As to the clips showing him shirtfronting guys coming at the ball well all of the tough players did that. It was legal. Dermie specialised in it. But all the guys we mention also went when it was their turn. They were brave. Browny was braver again but as you say didn't take people out as a matter of course. Worsfold did.

The hit on Graeme Wright occurred right in front of me at Vic Park. I was close and can still hear the sound as Worsfold hit him. What made Worsfold a lethal force on a footy field happened about 5min before though. Wright had very fairly cleaned up a young WCE player (forget who) and hurt him. Wright was a ball player and it was a completely fair bump. Thats what made Worsfold dangerous. I know as captain he said to himself I will fly the flag and he made it his business to even things out. He seemed to come from nowhere when he hit Wright and was absolute full pace. It was only a matter of minutes. It had to be calculated. Its a dangerous player that has that ability to say I will look for an opportunity to shirtfront you and hurt you as part of my play today. To execute it so strongly was scary. He would have walked off at half time and every teammate around him would have walked taller knowing the captain had their back.

I loved Wright as a player and I felt sorry for him that day. But at the same time you had to be a little in awe of what Worsfold dealt out.




Look mate we can keep going like this forever.....but I'll leave it up to Terry Daniher to sum Pants up.....

TD: “I was geed up, it was a grand final. I saw Browny give Kieren Sporn a very cheap one, so I just charged at him and let go. I caught him flush and he went down. The Collingwood boys went nuts. They were all after me but I didn’t give a f---. The only one I was worried about was Millane. He’s the only one I was looking over my shoulder for. I’d seen him throw them before, and you didn’t want to be on the end of one of his.”
 

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I want to say Peter McKenna, but I get the feeling he lacked the athleticism to be successful in today's game.

Same thing I'd point out to those wanting to bring in Billy Picken - He was 185cm, so he'd get absolutely murdered attempting to play on today's big CHFs.

So factoring in that they'd need to physically compete in the modern game:

Peter Moore
Peter Daicos
Darren Millane
Nathan Buckley

Moore plays ruck/forward, Daicos as a high half forward, Millane plays the wing and scares anyone from trying to play Daics rough, and Bucks makes our midfield unstoppable.
peter mac was very quick on the lead he would have gone ok into days football except for his overhead marking bit like white
but don't remember missing from the goal square like some
as for physical it was brutal back then, some of todays great would be looking over there shoulder all the time
they played one on one back then. the game is quicker now, not more physical. some games almost bruise free today
 

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Look mate we can keep going like this forever.....but I'll leave it up to Terry Daniher to sum Pants up.....

TD: “I was geed up, it was a grand final. I saw Browny give Kieren Sporn a very cheap one, so I just charged at him and let go. I caught him flush and he went down. The Collingwood boys went nuts. They were all after me but I didn’t give a f---. The only one I was worried about was Millane. He’s the only one I was looking over my shoulder for. I’d seen him throw them before, and you didn’t want to be on the end of one of his.”
Wouldn't wanna be on the end of one from Denis Banks... or Craig Kelly or Monkhorst. They are all tough campaingers at the end of the day. But Millane could certainly lay someone out with the best of them.
 

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If I was to pick one it would be very easily Peter Daicos. He would be pretty much unstoppable this day and age up forward and is exactly what we need right now.

Once you have Daicos you don't really need the rest but here they are anyway:

Buckley. Another who would be suited to the modern game more. Not much he couldn't do. He used to get the hardest possible tags you can imagine and end up with 30+ every game still. Frightening to think how many he would get these days, his use of the ball was always damaging, his metres gained would be off the chart. He would be first picked by Clarko I reckon.

McKenna. A forward that can kick straight, a lost art, a mythical beast.

James Clement. A class defender that was a general in defence and in these days of transitioning the ball from defence he would work very well, plus we would have someone who wouldn't clanger the kick outs.
This pretty much saved me the effort. These 4 are what this current team needs.
 

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Nathan Buckley, Peter Moore, Peter Daicos and Paul Williams would make for a pretty great group.

B: Brayden Maynard Nathan Brown Marley Williams
HB: Matthew Scharenberg Jonathon Marsh Tom Langdon
CEN: Steele Sidebottom Nathan Buckley Adam Treloar
HF: Jeremy Howe Travis Cloke Paul Williams
F: Jamie Elliott Ben Reid Peter Daicos
FOLL: Peter Moore Scott Pendlebury Dane Swan
BENCH: Brodie Grundy Taylor Adams Jack Crisp Travis Varcoe

Significant talent injection and pieces we relatively lack. Buckley injects the production with footskills, hurt factor and running ability that we lack through the midfield as yet another option who can push forward or even back if required. Moore is a great in as a ruckman who can also push forward and have an impact making him an ideal partner to Grundy as he does not need to ruck in order to be effective. Daicos adds some crumbing and freakishness into the forward 50m. And Williams gives us a further outside burst of pace and penetration.

The relative concern some may have is our relatively young back group and lack of surety in key defence stocks, but Reid can always push back as required if needed. And Howe can always rotate back as another number as a medium size swingman of sorts.

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Heath Shaw and James Clement would have been very easy ins down back but I just can't help but think our back half is secure, with more those offensive weapons those elements we miss most.
 

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Nathan Buckley, Peter Moore, Peter Daicos and Paul Williams would make for a pretty great group.

B: Brayden Maynard Nathan Brown Marley Williams
HB: Matthew Scharenberg Jonathon Marsh Tom Langdon
CEN: Steele Sidebottom Nathan Buckley Adam Treloar
HF: Jeremy Howe Travis Cloke Paul Williams
F: Jamie Elliott Ben Reid Peter Daicos
FOLL: Peter Moore Scott Pendlebury Dane Swan
BENCH: Brodie Grundy Taylor Adams Jack Crisp Travis Varcoe

Significant talent injection and pieces we relatively lack. Buckley injects the production with footskills, hurt factor and running ability that we lack through the midfield as yet another option who can push forward or even back if required. Moore is a great in as a ruckman who can also push forward and have an impact making him an ideal partner to Grundy as he does not need to ruck in order to be effective. Daicos adds some crumbing and freakishness into the forward 50m. And Williams gives us a further outside burst of pace and penetration.

The relative concern some may have is our relatively young back group and lack of surety in key defence stocks, but Reid can always push back as required if needed. And Howe can always rotate back as another number as a medium size swingman of sorts.

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Heath Shaw and James Clement would have been very easy ins down back but I just can't help but think our back half is secure, with more those offensive weapons those elements we miss most.
I love Paul Williams' pace but I haven't forgiven him for round 1 1994 against Fitzroy at Vic Park.

Yes he kicked 5 goals and won us the game.

Unfortunately I was standing behind the Yarra Park sticks and was the victim of a Williams' exocet.
Hit me exactly where no man wants.

Spent the fourth quarter in the St John Ambulance room and missed a 7 goal last quarter come-from-behind victory.
 

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If you're looking at great players who came to the club well past their prime I'd have Pert just ahead of Dermie but that's just personal preference. You also open up the potential to look at all the players we almost got like Lockett and Quinlan.

For mine, a centreline of Wright/Brown - Buckley - Greening would be pretty handy.

Carmen would have to be considered, as would Daicos, as would Peter Moore.

If I had to narrow it down to 4...

Greening, Moore, Daicos, Carmen.
 

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I'll restrict it to players I saw a fair bit of:

Daicos - best Pie in my time and the silky skills we need. Give him a career without the knee and feet problems and he'd be in front of Ablett jnr.
Millane - His aggression, power and skill would be a massive boost to this team.
Peter Moore - Contested marking goal kicking forward, good ruckman and the top shelf version of the really tall midfield capable player. He would be made for the modern game.
Phil Carman - only if he got his attitude right. I suspect he wouldn't last 5 min under Buckley but along with John Greening he was probably the most talented footballer to have played for Collingwood in the last 50 years.

Apologies:
John Greening - probably the best player that played in my lifetime but I didn't see enough of him.
McKenna - good but not sure he be suited to the modern game or our footskills.
Buckley - clearly a class player good at everything.
Des Tuddenham - maybe worthy of Millane's spot.
 
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Buckley: He's Buckley

P Williams: We lack an elite, polished, outsider with pace

Sav: Genuine full forward, kicked goals, would be elite if fed by our current midfield plus the above guys

Daicos: Would transform us completely
 
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