Farmers - No Thanks!

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Medders the "just shrubs" comment is a concern. How does it grow back?? If it was going to grow back then why clear it in the forst place - something for the tractor to do? No -= it is cleared to graze animals or plant crops.

Some animals like kangas growing in numbers?? Next time there is a locost plague I'll not that you think an increase in numbers is a sign of good managment.

Anyway if you read the thread I'm on the farmers side and am not with the crocman, but some farmers do need to lift their game, just like some miners, some businesses, and some industries, and some general citizens.

I'm all for eating roo.
 

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Medders the "just shrubs" comment is a concern. How does it grow back?? If it was going to grow back then why clear it in the forst place - something for the tractor to do? No -= it is cleared to graze animals or plant crops.

Some animals like kangas growing in numbers?? Next time there is a locost plague I'll not that you think an increase in numbers is a sign of good managment.

Anyway if you read the thread I'm on the farmers side and am not with the crocman, but some farmers do need to lift their game, just like some miners, some businesses, and some industries, and some general citizens.

I'm all for eating roo.
doesnt grow back and why would you want it to? Just like when there is urban sprawl it doesnt grow back. You tend to find land doesnt get completely cleared ie because its rocky or the soil isnt any good, its on a slope, near a river, the farmer wants shelter for animals etc. Something like 40% of Tasmania is locked up forestry land. The state isnt going to run out of trees and ecosystems any time soon. So why ban landclearing on the remainder? Mindboggling stupidity.

Dont you think its a bit of a conflict that people dont want farmers to be subsidised yet dont want them to be able to efficiently work their land?
 

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doesnt grow back and why would you want it to? Just like when there is urban sprawl it doesnt grow back. You tend to find land doesnt get completely cleared ie because its rocky or the soil isnt any good, its on a slope, near a river, the farmer wants shelter for animals etc. Something like 40% of Tasmania is locked up forestry land. The state isnt going to run out of trees and ecosystems any time soon. So why ban landclearing on the remainder? Mindboggling stupidity.

Dont you think its a bit of a conflict that people dont want farmers to be subsidised yet dont want them to be able to efficiently work their land?
Medders - I've been specifically referring to large scale illegal clearing in Queensland and other areas. It is wrong, ignorant, and to the long term detriment of the land, the environment, and thus in the long term us.
 

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Funny, my plants and house seems to have foundations in something that looks like dirt, but it hasn't been litterd with chemicals and wholesaled cleared of anything resembling a tree!
Any land a house is on on the urban fringe has been wholesale cleared of trees and things resembling trees. If it is painted it has chemicals littered on it. If you have caught re-runs of an English comedy called The Good Life the subsistence city dwelling is a fine aim. How are you generating your electricty crocodile man? Amusing thread for a farmer to read.
 

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Any land a house is on on the urban fringe has been wholesale cleared of trees and things resembling trees. If it is painted it has chemicals littered on it. If you have caught re-runs of an English comedy called The Good Life the subsistence city dwelling is a fine aim. How are you generating your electricty crocodile man? Amusing thread for a farmer to read.
1. No fool, I don't live in southern Australia - I actually live in Darwin;

2. My house wasn't constucted after wholesale clearing of land - it was built, like most in Darwin, after Cyclone Tracey wiped out the city and most of the trees!!

3. It is not littered with painted chemicals - like most houses in Darwin, it was constructed to very strict specifications. It is a Barclay design, meaning it is mainly concrete and not painted!!!

4. Farmers wouldn't read a thread like this - they would be either;
(a) destroying the environment; or
(b) beating their wife; or
(c) drinking heavily while engaging in (b).
 

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4. Farmers wouldn't read a thread like this - they would be either;
(a) destroying the environment; or
(b) beating their wife; or
(c) drinking heavily while engaging in (b).
One is reading it right now. Anyway, didn't destroy any environment this morning. Married eight years to an unbeaten wife. Haven't had a drink today (A Darwinite suggesting others drink heavily?). Your need to expand the horizon on just what farmers do. Cement houses are good idea but the Barclay group are some of the biggest enviroment bashers around building resorts where none are needed.
 

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One is reading it right now. Anyway, didn't destroy any environment this morning. Married eight years to an unbeaten wife. Haven't had a drink today (A Darwinite suggesting others drink heavily?). Your need to expand the horizon on just what farmers do. Cement houses are good idea but the Barclay group are some of the biggest enviroment bashers around building resorts where none are needed.
Darwin has more non-drinkers, per capita, than any other capital city! My house was built, by government contract in 1976, along with thousands of others in a massive re-building campaign.

I'm sure that Barclay aren't stupid enough to build any resorts in farming communities!
 

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4. Farmers wouldn't read a thread like this - they would be either;
(a) destroying the environment; or
(b) beating their wife; or
(c) drinking heavily while engaging in (b).
I would like to state that non of my input to this thread that may on some levels support the notion that farmers, like the rest of us, could do things better, is intended to support ignorant statements like the above.
 

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I would like to state that non of my input to this thread that may on some levels support the notion that farmers, like the rest of us, could do things better, is intended to support ignorant statements like the above.
Freo, go ahead and take the moral high ground, but stop PMing me and telling me to give it to those rural bumkins!!
 

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Freo, go ahead and take the moral high ground, but stop PMing me and telling me to give to those rural bumkins!!
For an asshole you do have a sense of humour I'll grant you that :rolleyes:
 

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You have the London town bit though - I quite like that! Mine just ride around the paddock I guess? Going nowhere! like this thread;)
And you're the man who said this thread was going nowhere about seven pages ago!!

Wrong again!!
 

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And you're the man who said this thread was going nowhere about seven pages ago!!

Wrong again!!
I must admit I had totally underestimated the sentitivities of farmers. I honestly thought most would just read, have a bit of a smile and dismiss this as a harmless post! You certainly did hit a nerve.
 

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I'm actually e-mailing this to Agforce and the National Farmers Federation for their perusal. I've told them I'm the President of Citizens Advocating Liquidation of Farmers (CALF) and you're the Secretary. Expect a tierce response from them.

You should have known better than to agree with me, even on selected points. The last person who did that had a visit from ASIO! :D
 

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You should have known better than to agree with me, even on selected points. The last person who did that had a visit from ASIO! :D
At least my mother would be happy I'm hanging out with better dressed people than usual!!
 

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Hey crocodile man gives us a brief history of your self
Seriously give us a brief history i want to know were you are coming from

i really want you to dispel the initial thoughts that most people would have of your upbringing education and intellectual ability
 

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I would like to state that non of my input to this thread that may on some levels support the notion that farmers, like the rest of us, could do things better, is intended to support ignorant statements like the above.
The vast majority of farmers engage in different land practices to those of 40 years ago. The government in fact encouraged the widespread use of pesticides, land clearing, irrigation etc etc all of which were accepted as valid at the time (much like it was accepted practice for aboriginal mothers to give up their children). These days they are more reticent about using chemicals, irrigate more efficiently, clear far less land, plant more trees etc etc. Farmers have been responsible for planting tens of millions of trees in the last decade. How many trees have the greens been responsible for? 2/3rds of stuff all. Whilst they sit in their inner city cafes whingeing about StormFuhrer Howard's latest act of genocide, its the farmers who are actually out there planting these trees.
 

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The vast majority of farmers engage in different land practices to those of 40 years ago. The government in fact encouraged the widespread use of pesticides, land clearing, irrigation etc etc all of which were accepted as valid at the time (much like it was accepted practice for aboriginal mothers to give up their children). These days they are more reticent about using chemicals, irrigate more efficiently, clear far less land, plant more trees etc etc. Farmers have been responsible for planting tens of millions of trees in the last decade. How many trees have the greens been responsible for? 2/3rds of stuff all. Whilst they sit in their inner city cafes whingeing about StormFuhrer Howard's latest act of genocide, its the farmers who are actually out there planting these trees.
1.You deadbeat farmer-loving clown! It was never accepted practice for Aboriginal mothers to give up their children - they were forcibly removed, fool! They were never given a choice, so how can it be accepted practice?

2. Farmers planting tens of millions of trees? :D You've been reading that Agforce propaganda again, havent you! You can't count rice plants and sugar cane as trees, you fool. Nor do pot plants count - or those farmers down on their luck who have taken to planting, growing and harvesting cannabis!

3. These farming dogs are a waste of space - any efforts used in trying to defend this mob is a waste of oxygen. Lets treat them with the same respect that they gave to indigenous Australians in the 19th and 20th centuries, when their weekend sport was to go out on "fellow hunts!" Truly disgusting vermin, these farmers!
 

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1.You deadbeat farmer-loving clown! It was never accepted practice for Aboriginal mothers to give up their children - they were forcibly removed, fool! They were never given a choice, so how can it be accepted practice?

2. Farmers planting tens of millions of trees? :D You've been reading that Agforce propaganda again, havent you! You can't count rice plants and sugar cane as trees, you fool. Nor do pot plants count - or those farmers down on their luck who have taken to planting, growing and harvesting cannabis!

3. These farming dogs are a waste of space - any efforts used in trying to defend this mob is a waste of oxygen. Lets treat them with the same respect that they gave to indigenous Australians in the 19th and 20th centuries, when their weekend sport was to go out on "fellow hunts!" Truly disgusting vermin, these farmers!
1. The Australian public turned a blind eye. They accepted it. Nobody said that Aboriginal families accepted it.

2. I've planted hundreds of trees myself. And I'm only one of hundreds of thousands of farmers in Australia who've done likewise. That adds up to a lot of trees, just in case you can't count.

3. Personally, I've never shot an Aboriginal. We have Aboriginal settlements in our district. I'm not responsible for the actions of ancestors of thousands of Australians - not just those of farmers. How did your ancestors get here, and when? You're yet to answer this. If you're so appalled by these actions, perhaps you should bulldoze down your home, plant a few trees, and donate the land to an Aboriginal!

Do you think Melbourne was all concrete and skyscrapers when the Europeans got here?
 

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1. The Australian public turned a blind eye. They accepted it. Nobody said that Aboriginal families accepted it.

2. I've planted hundreds of trees myself. And I'm only one of hundreds of thousands of farmers in Australia who've done likewise. That adds up to a lot of trees, just in case you can't count.

3. Personally, I've never shot an Aboriginal. We have Aboriginal settlements in our district. I'm not responsible for the actions of ancestors of thousands of Australians - not just those of farmers. How did your ancestors get here, and when? You're yet to answer this. If you're so appalled by these actions, perhaps you should bulldoze down your home, plant a few trees, and donate the land to an Aboriginal!

Do you think Melbourne was all concrete and skyscrapers when the Europeans got here?
1. So, are you saying that Aboriginal people aren't Australian? You said that the Australian public accepted it - clearly you need to view movies such as 'Rabbit Proof Fence' which shows quite clearly the extent Aboriginal communities went to, to avoid the stealing of these children. You need to widen your view of what the Australian public think - just as farmers need to realise that their little world is different from the views of most Australians.

2. Hundreds of thousands of farmers?????? Just how many farmers do you think there are in this country. Cattle dogs don't count!!!

3. "I'm not responsible for the actions of ancestors of thousands of Australians..." You obviously are a graduate of the John Howard school of Stupidity! We are all responsible, you clown. On the one hand you say that farmers are providing economic benefits and doing good. This also includes environmental damage as a result of farming. I could argue that they caused it so they should fix it. But I'm responsible for this damage as much as those fools, bcause the environmental impact affects me as much as anyone else.

In the same way, the impact these actions by rural communities (and others) had on Aboriginal people affect us all.

"If you're so appalled by these actions, perhaps you should bulldoze down your home, plant a few trees, and donate the land to an Aboriginal!"

I've never owned a property in my life up until last week, but I recognise the Mabo decision and the Native Title Act, and I recognise the ownership of the Larrakia People of theland I am living on and have title to. Maybe you need to do the same!
 

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Are you still on that pedestal crocman?

On the first point about the Aborigines, it only took some investigative journalism from a bloke I really can't stand, the Herald-Sun's Andrew Bolt, to prove that Rabbit-Proof Fence was a fabrication...heck he even interviewed the woman who was the so-called base of the story and even she said it wasn't true..work that out! (Incidentally, I do think an official apology would be a good idea..so long as there were no legal bills to come out of it).

If you were so concerned about this crocman...why not start with a formal letter to your member of parliament - and utilise a formal petition.
 

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We are all responsible, you clown.
Umm....wouldn't that make you a hypocrite for telling farmers off for it then?

You've never owned a property? Didn't say you did. I said your home. Where'd you live, on the street in a cardboard box?

I also recognise the Aboriginal settlement in my home district. **** off.
 
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