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tryitout said:
In the car industry case you can blame the workers themselves. Have no sympathy for them at all.

In the case of farmers, if you want your food Australian made then you're going to have to take the good with the bad. Can be a bit bewildering to see a guy with a new Benz key in one hand and the other hand is outstretched asking for a handout.
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I blame the workers and the unions too, but the Government didn't bail them out like it does other industries, nor were many people upset by that, when they are when the Greens want to cut subsidies for other industries.
 

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Almond milk is worse for the environment than cows milk (look into it, the resources required are insane). So next time a vegan tells you it's more friendly hit them with that.
 
Jobe Watson said:
I trade cryptocurrency and vlog on my YouTube channel. I'm also in the process of starting up my own eBay store. Because of this I'm 1/4 of the way to making my first million dollars. If you're complaining about being poor, then it's probably because you're a loser. As my idol Gordon Gekko says: "get rich, or die trying".
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Scotland said:
That's because we - the consumer - are lazy and stupid.

Coles/Woolies $1/L milk war has really hurt the dairy industry. They're not the whole problem, the processors are the intermediary that stiff the farmers but for all the "$1/L milk is killing us, this is not sustainable" airtime people kept buying cheap milk from Coles and Woolies. Just like they complain that their apples are s**t because they've been in cold storage for 6 months then buy them for $7/kg anyway.
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And they are put in cold storage because people don't understand that fruit and veg can be seasonal and the whole 'buy australian' thing goes too far sometimes, when businesses are demonised for importing produce that is in season.
 
edgie said:
And they are put in cold storage because people don't understand that fruit and veg can be seasonal and the whole 'buy australian' thing goes too far sometimes, when businesses are demonised for importing produce that is in season.
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It's a cyclical mess. You can go into Coles in late Summer/Autumn and the produce area will be chock full of cold, rubbery apples from the previous season a year earlier. You can also in during orange season and find oranges imported from California or wherever. It's pretty hard to find fresh orange juice in the shops these that doesn't use imported fruit.

I'm OK with cold storing fresh produce that is seasonal and/or importing it on that basis but Coles and Woolies just seem to sell year round s**t. If you're going to sell out of season fruit at least sell it fresh with it is in season. The local fruit and veg shop doesn't have a massive cold store nor does it have a high volume or customers or a heap of non perishables and it still stocks better produce that isn't much more expensive.
 
Jobe Watson said:
Farmers are a bunch of sooks.

I trade cryptocurrency and vlog on my YouTube channel. I'm also in the process of starting up my own eBay store. Because of this I'm 1/4 of the way to making my first million dollars. If you're complaining about being poor, then it's probably because you're a loser. As my idol Gordon Gekko says: "get rich, or die trying".
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So what is it you eat and drink after a hard days trade? Or do you catch and kill yourself?

And yes I realise you're being sarcastic but any country needs primary industry in order to survive. Without it it is chaos.

While there is a lot of whinging and unsuitable practices at the same time this is a harsh land that was built on British practices which x generations later inherited. So if they need to change/are struggling then they probably need help.
 
Run n Spread said:
So what is it you eat and drink after a hard days trade? Or do you catch and kill yourself?

And yes I realise you're being sarcastic but any country needs primary industry in order to survive. Without it it is chaos.
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Hey man, the world would be in chaos too if the little woman that I pay to clean my toilet didn't exist either, because a modern man like me ain't doing that nasty job myself. But it doesn't mean I have to have any respect or empathy for them. They chose to do what they do. And I chose to read "How To" books and get into the exciting, lucrative world of multi-level marketing.
 
Jobe Watson said:
Hey man, the world would be in chaos too if the little woman that I pay to clean my toilet didn't exist either, because a modern man like me ain't doing that nasty job myself. But it doesn't mean I have to have any respect or empathy for them. They chose to do what they do. And I chose to read "How To" books and get into the exciting, lucrative world of multi-level marketing.
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You're that useless that you can't even clean your own toilet?
It's your s**t.
I'm pretty sure that there is a 'How to" book on that.
Maybe you can't read it?
Or maybe you like the needle too much like Jobe?
 

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Jobe Watson said:
So?

I have 6 revenue streams to manage. I don't have time to do menial, degrading tasks. Better to just pay someone to do it. I'm an employer.
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The bibles apocalypse will make you pay the ultimate price, you heathen.
I'll see you in hell.
 
Why do farmers always seem to owe the bank money.

Most farms seem to be held in the one family for generations. Surely any mortgage on the land and buildings is paid off.

Do they borrow to smooth out cashflow issues in drought? Or to make capital investment in the business?

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Geoffa32 said:
Why do farmers always seem to owe the bank money.

Most farms seem to be held in the one family for generations. Surely any mortgage on the land and buildings is paid off.

Do they borrow to smooth out cashflow issues in drought? Or to make capital investment in the business?

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It's a game now where you either get big or get out. It's a fallacy to say that farms are generational with so many people leaving the bush either voluntarily or involuntarily.

A decent farm is easily in excess of $1m.

A decent sized wheat farmer needs around $1m to plant and fertilise a crop. Without any irrigation. Most farms do a two crop rotation per year so it adds up. One bad season can cripple you, but you have no option but to push on.
A decent sized tractor can cost up to $250,000 or more.
A header can cost the same or more.
If you want to cart your own grain, a semi and tipper is at least $400,000.

If you're in livestock and need to re-stock after a drought it can quite easily cost over $1m.
New fencing is thousands per kilometre.
The cost of feed in dry times is astronomical.
I've recently shut down my small feedlot as a I couldn't afford paying over $400 per tonne for grain.
The cost of hay is astronomical.

It goes on and on.
 
Craven Morehead said:
It's a game now where you either get big or get out. It's a fallacy to say that farms are generational with so many people leaving the bush either voluntarily or involuntarily.

A decent farm is easily in excess of $1m.

A decent sized wheat farmer needs around $1m to plant and fertilise a crop. Without any irrigation. Most farms do a two crop rotation per year so it adds up. One bad season can cripple you, but you have no option but to push on.
A decent sized tractor can cost up to $250,000 or more.
A header can cost the same or more.
If you want to cart your own grain, a semi and tipper is at least $400,000.

If you're in livestock and need to re-stock after a drought it can quite easily cost over $1m.
New fencing is thousands per kilometre.
The cost of feed in dry times is astronomical.
I've recently shut down my small feedlot as a I couldn't afford paying over $400 per tonne for grain.
The cost of hay is astronomical.

It goes on and on.
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Do you think there's any gouging going on from those that provide those things?


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Craven Morehead said:
It's a game now where you either get big or get out. It's a fallacy to say that farms are generational with so many people leaving the bush either voluntarily or involuntarily.

A decent farm is easily in excess of $1m.

A decent sized wheat farmer needs around $1m to plant and fertilise a crop. Without any irrigation. Most farms do a two crop rotation per year so it adds up. One bad season can cripple you, but you have no option but to push on.
A decent sized tractor can cost up to $250,000 or more.
A header can cost the same or more.
If you want to cart your own grain, a semi and tipper is at least $400,000.

If you're in livestock and need to re-stock after a drought it can quite easily cost over $1m.
New fencing is thousands per kilometre.
The cost of feed in dry times is astronomical.
I've recently shut down my small feedlot as a I couldn't afford paying over $400 per tonne for grain.
The cost of hay is astronomical.

It goes on and on.
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So now it is more akin to big business and the smaller farmers are getting forced out?



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Geoffa32 said:
So now it is more akin to big business and the smaller farmers are getting forced out?



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Very much so. There is simply not the margin in it for small farmers anymore unless you are in a niche industry. But even those are very difficult and if someone sees you making money they will jump in on it and eventually the market becomes flooded.
Blueberries are a classic example of that today.
 
Craven Morehead said:
Very much so. There is simply not the margin in it for small farmers anymore unless you are in a niche industry. But even those are very difficult and if someone sees you making money they will jump in on it and eventually the market becomes flooded.
Blueberries are a classic example of that today.
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Is this why there has been a few.Farmers Markets pop up in recent year?

Family owned farms giving it one last roll of the dice?

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Geoffa32 said:
Is this why there has been a few.Farmers Markets pop up in recent year?

Family owned farms giving it one last roll of the dice?

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Yes and no.
A lot of producers for markets like that, (to my understanding), are not really farmers in the true sense of the word.
Able to receive Primary Producer status etc.
They are more your hobby farmer types growing a few veges on a few acres or growing a few animals that they butcher for specialised, high end meat products.
There are a few 'farmers' who sell at these markets, but not many, as the amount you can sell barely covers costs of freight, time and energy.
 
Craven Morehead said:
Yes and no.
A lot of producers for markets like that, (to my understanding), are not really farmers in the true sense of the word.
Able to receive Primary Producer status etc.
They are more your hobby farmer types growing a few veges on a few acres or growing a few animals that they butcher for specialised, high end meat products.
There are a few 'farmers' who sell at these markets, but not many, as the amount you can sell barely covers costs of freight, time and energy.
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do you look down on them the same way harley riders look down on my kawasaki ninja?
 
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