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Interesting. I remember back in around 2011 and 2012 when we had all of Garlett, Betts, Armfield and Yarran on the team I knew we had fastest team in league for a couple of years and our best weapon then.
Betts has always been quickest of mind in what he was doing, to get around other players but for leg speed on it's own when watching Carlton back then felt Army had them all and Garlett second. Not much between them all though. Now Betts and Garlett are at other clubs interesting to see neither Betts or Garlett were measured quicker then Amrfield. Also remember a game Dangerfield running at top speed and we all know he is quick but Armfield ran him down and dumped him easily in the end. Armfield is older now so probably dropped off a little and now retiring. I not sure figures are conclusive though but I have little doubt Armfield is no longer quickest at Carlton. Pickett looks quicker and when Tipps was on fire for Dons against us he ran down Tippa from behind easily so tipping he not played enough games when they measuring it to actually record it.

For mine just watching the play in general I would guess Pickett would be quickest in league followed by Jay Hunt and Gary Rohan. Charlie Cameron right up there too. Some players know how to use their pace best though and for that Hunt and Cameron most effective. Pickett still learning what he is doing out there. It was funny watching him against Hawks look so quick but still not know what to do with his own electric pace. When he learns how to use that weapon, watch out.
Fair observations but also worth remembering that having the ball is scientifically guaranteed to slow you down.
 

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It was in another thread and I asked about the accuracy and the response from a few was that the numbers are not that accurate, but that Etihad has a different measure which records speed more accurately.
I doubt Etihad has a different measure unless they are using lazer or radar (lol).

This would be based on GPS which is why i'd take these measurements with a grain of salt.

Stuff that makes me suspicious
- very small deviation between the top players at all clubs (34.6kmh as the top speed at 5 different clubs? righto... )
- GPS in general isn't great for sub a couple of meters, which is fine for your car etc but a meter difference over 15m is huge.
 

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Just shows again how crap it is in how little stats information is given out. There is so much that could be looked at here, instead they just give us the peak speed with no detail and try to show it against Bolt
 

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Why is it that hard to believe? It's a different 'talent' but Blicavs can run national level times for the 3000 steeple etc. many players are drawn to the sport because of their own athletic skills so it shouldn't be that amazing.
Firstly Blicavs couldn't still run those times now that he has put on the additional weight to become a footballer. Secondly, Blicavs is so far and away superior to the other AFL players in regards to endurance that it's not funny, so saying because he has transitioned to AFL that a bunch of AFL players could run that fast for 100m is kind of backwards logic. It's like saying some AFL players would be great at rugby because Karmichael Hunt played some AFL and he was a great rugby player.
 
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Firstly Blicavs couldn't still run those times now that he has put on the additional weight to become a footballer. Secondly, Blicavs is so far and away superior to the other AFL players in regards to endurance that it's not funny, so saying because he has transitioned to AFL that a bunch of AFL players could run that fast for 100m is kind of backwards logic. It's like saying some AFL players would be great at rugby because Karmichael Hunt played some AFL and he was a great rugby player.
Actually Karmichael Hunt isn't a great Rugby player. Israel Folau has more credibility to make that claim. Would be interesting to see Blicavs and Scully over 3k. Scully consistently wins our timetrials by half a lap, and owns the top distance offensive running stat. The fact he can, and does when our bench is in trouble, run out a game shows aerobic fitness at an incredible level.
 

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Firstly Blicavs couldn't still run those times now that he has put on the additional weight to become a footballer. Secondly, Blicavs is so far and away superior to the other AFL players in regards to endurance that it's not funny, so saying because he has transitioned to AFL that a bunch of AFL players could run that fast for 100m is kind of backwards logic. It's like saying some AFL players would be great at rugby because Karmichael Hunt played some AFL and he was a great rugby player.
I still don't see why the fastest wouldn't be able to run lowish 10 seconds. It's not as fast as it sounds in terms of relativity - they'd still be getting flogged by good sprinters
 

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Actually Karmichael Hunt isn't a great Rugby player. Israel Folau has more credibility to make that claim. Would be intetesting to see Blicavs and Scully over 3k. Scully consistently wins our timetrials by half a lap, and owns the top distance offensive running stat. The fact he can, and does when our bench is in trouble, run out a game shows aerobic fitness at an incredible level.
Folau is a great outside back. It's neither here nor there as a rugby union player. His role is almost identical from code to code. Most league wingers or fullbacks could easily play elite union.
As a specialised rugby player Hunt, pound for pound, is probably better. He just happens to play a role that is more specific to the code than Folau does.
It's like comparing Nathan Cleary to Semi Radradra. Cleary is about the 6th best half in the NRL but he's throwing long passes, setting up set plays, kicking etc. radradra is among the best wingers but just gets the all and runs. He's probably the inferior player.
 
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Folau is a great outside back. It's neither here nor there as a rugby union player. His role is almost identical from code to code. Most league wingers or fullbacks could easily play elite union.
As a specialised rugby player Hunt, pound for pound, is probably better. He just happens to play a role that is more specific to the code than Folau does.
It's like comparing Nathan Cleary to Semi Radradra. Cleary is about the 6th best half in the NRL but he's throwing long passes, setting up set plays, kicking etc. radradra is among the best wingers but just gets the all and runs. He's probably the inferior player.
I studiously ignore League but do have some interest in Rugby. I think you are primarily rating them as League players so I'll defer to you. I do know I like Folau in the back three for the Wallabies, and am told kicking is more important for Rugby backs.
 

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I call BS on these speed stats, am I seriously meant to believe that Toby Greene is only 2km slower than Tyreek Hill??????
 
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Actually Karmichael Hunt isn't a great Rugby player. Israel Folau has more credibility to make that claim. Would be interesting to see Blicavs and Scully over 3k. Scully consistently wins our timetrials by half a lap, and owns the top distance offensive running stat. The fact he can, and does when our bench is in trouble, run out a game shows aerobic fitness at an incredible level.
Comes down to your definition of great but Hunt started and scored a try in a Heineken Cup Final, fair to say he could play.
 

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I studiously ignore League but do have some interest in Rugby. I think you are primarily rating them as League players so I'll defer to you. I do know I like Folau in the back three for the Wallabies, and am told kicking is more important for Rugby backs.
Kicking definitely is, not so much in terms of precision but in terms of distance.

I should quantify the statement earlier - Hunt plays wing and fullback in union too, as has Izzy obviously, but he's probably best suited to playing at inside centre (not sure where he's spent the last season) because of his passing game and his more precise kicking.
 
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I still don't see why the fastest wouldn't be able to run lowish 10 seconds. It's not as fast as it sounds in terms of relativity - they'd still be getting flogged by good sprinters
Alrighty I feel like im the most qualified to respond to this as I myself am a sprinter, and I have done a gated timing split test in the past and my own top speed was recorded ~37km/h, for reference my PB over 100m is 11.11s. I also dont think you understand how quick a time under 10.5s for 100m is like there would be deadset less that 15 blokes in the country that could run that sort of time its rediculously fast.
 
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I doubt Etihad has a different measure unless they are using lazer or radar (lol).

This would be based on GPS which is why i'd take these measurements with a grain of salt.

Stuff that makes me suspicious
- very small deviation between the top players at all clubs (34.6kmh as the top speed at 5 different clubs? righto... )
- GPS in general isn't great for sub a couple of meters, which is fine for your car etc but a meter difference over 15m is huge.
GPS doesn't work through the roof at etihad, im unsure what system they do use but im 100% sure they dont use the GPS satellites (Unless the roof is open)
 

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Alrighty I feel like im the most qualified to respond to this as I myself am a sprinter, and I have done a gated timing split test in the past and my own top speed was recorded ~37km/h, for reference my PB over 100m is 11.11s. I also dont think you understand how quick a time under 10.5s for 100m is like there would be deadset less that 15 blokes in the country that could run that sort of time its rediculously fast.
I understand it's quick but I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least a couple in the AFL who could bust 10.5. League players would have no chance, but if there's one code that would provide a few it would be Afl surely.
 

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I understand it's quick but I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least a couple in the AFL who could bust 10.5. League players would have no chance, but if there's one code that would provide a few it would be Afl surely.
For League wingers pace is a big thing. Yes there is also strength and power but I wouldnt be surprised if they trained for it who could push that (maybe not break it)
 

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I understand it's quick but I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least a couple in the AFL who could bust 10.5. League players would have no chance, but if there's one code that would provide a few it would be Afl surely.
Your dreaming. Maybe if they trained full time for it instead of AFL. In their current state none of them would get anywhere near 10.5

10.5 is the top 50 for Australia in history. The fastest player over 100m to play AFL was James Walker who had a 10.7 PB - he used to win the GF sprint in a canter.
 

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Menadue is lightening. its fun to watch a guy thats significantly faster than others

what a bad joke playing Grigg the oxygen thief ahead of him

hopefully plays well again in the vfl gf & forces his way in next yr
 
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I understand it's quick but I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least a couple in the AFL who could bust 10.5. League players would have no chance, but if there's one code that would provide a few it would be Afl surely.
Theres far to much emphasis on endurance in AFL, you simply cannot be that quick and have the same amount of stamina the AFL demands, a race for the listed AFL players would be 800-1500m distances as these distances still require alot of speed while also being incredibly fit. If one of those fast players actually trained exclusively for 100m im sure there would be one that could do it but I seriously doubt any current afl player would run any faster than 10.7ish.
 

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3km time trials you have players hitting about 9:15 which is about a minute off an even remotely competitive time at nationals
Furthermore, I know multiple 15 year old boys who can run that time. Heck, the best Aussie runners could hold that pace for at least 30km straight. AFL players have no place to brag about their fitness. People should admire the skill with the ball. This is something to be proud of.

My jaw hit the floor when I read the herald sun article. The author is so wrong that I couldn't believe what I was reading. It's almost bordering on hysterical.
 
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