Fat Acceptance - Problem or not

[little graham]

Isn't Australia the fattest nation on earth? If not we would be close considering noone in this thread has any real idea of the problem.

 

[Godchin]

So people can't live how they want in your opinion?

Nobody has said that they can't.

 

[little graham]

Don't eat shit food.

Exercise.

It's not hard.

I once (turn of the century) was pushing 110 kilos at five foot 9. The arseh*le doctor told me to eat less. Eating wasn't my problem. The medication he had received illegal kickbacks to experiment with was. I feel the doctor who said that was an arrogant campaigner. My metabolism was irreversibly changed by the medication.

i've since learnt an awful lot about health nutrition pharmacology, food ect.

Its ironic when you buy a can of diet pepsi, you're getting similar acting chemicals to what the medication I was once on, that screw up your metabolism. When you buy your fat reduced cereal, same thing.

Unfortunately the family unit is so screwed and our food culture so crap, noones teaching kids nutrition or the skills to prepare their own food.

 

[WCErevival]

One thing I think about is with pets and children. Its seen as being a bad parent or owner to let them get fat. You have to feed them correct portions and a reasonably healthy diet. So why is it acceptable for adults to eat poorly? Do we need someone to feed us?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I once (turn of the century) was pushing 110 kilos at five foot 9. The arseh*le doctor told me to eat less. Eating wasn't my problem. The medication he had received illegal kickbacks to experiment with was. I feel the doctor who said that was an arrogant campaigner. My metabolism was irreversibly changed by the medication.

i've since learnt an awful lot about health nutrition pharmacology, food ect.

Its ironic when you buy a can of diet pepsi, you're getting similar acting chemicals to what the medication I was once on, that screw up your metabolism. When you buy your fat reduced cereal, same thing.

Unfortunately the family unit is so screwed and our food culture so crap, noones teaching kids nutrition or the skills to prepare their own food.

Drink water.

Eat healthy food.

Exercise.

Three easy things to do which most find almost impossible.

Medication is never the answer and that is despicable on their part.

The drain on the national healthcare system due to those who don't live a relatively healthy lifestyle is enormous.

 

[Shupe]

I dont care what a person looks like. Im classed as "Obese" by the BMI and I have a bit of a gut for my height. Ive tried diets, fads but as soon as I lose weight, I gain it.

I found I would rather enjoy eating food, than be skinny and miserable through calorie counting. Everything in moderation.

Bolded is the problem. People 'try diets' and lose weight. Then they go back to eating the shit they were eating before. It's really not difficult to understand if you do a bit of reading. Education is the problem and there's not enough focus on it. "2 fruit, 5 veg!". Lol. Give me a break.

My mum struggled for years. Always doing diets for however many weeks, counting calories on weight watchers etc. She would always complain. Every time she complained, I told her I can sit down with her and help her to understand what she needs to do. It took years, but eventually she sought my opinion. I have no qualification in health/fitness whatsoever, just some reading that I do every now and then. Long story short, she's a much healthier weight now and still enjoys her food as much as before. And will drink when she wants to drink. Etc.

It's so easy to make excuses. The funniest being 'I enjoy food'. Please, that's just code for 'I'm a lazy campaigner'.

Sorry, small rant. It's not aimed directly at you, just something you said. Society as a whole need to wake up to themselves.

 

[the_interloper]

Nobody has said that they can't.

Live and let live I reckon, no need to worry about how other people choose to spend their time.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

The mechanics of losing weight, is very simple.

Eat less calories than you burn.

But to say it is easy, is the wrong use of the word, where there is a stark difference between simple and easy in this context.

To say that it is code for I'm a lazy campaigner shows the naivety, or the lack of one's ability to empathise, or simply just a lack of knowledge on how ones mind works and how much of ourselves we actually have no control over.

 

[ioppolo]

Gotta love it at the shopping centre when fat people walk through with their trollies full of lollies, ice cream, chips, cool drink etc and then give you a death stare when you look at them in disgust.

I'm talking really big people too, not just a bit of a belly happening people.

 

[Godchin]

Its ironic when you buy a can of diet pepsi, you're getting similar acting chemicals to what the medication I was once on, that screw up your metabolism. When you buy your fat reduced cereal, same thing.

Not true at all.

Live and let live I reckon, no need to worry about how other people choose to spend their time.

The cost of obesity is bigger than the individual - no pun intended.

 

[Scotland]

But to say it is easy, is the wrong use of the word, where there is a stark difference between simple and easy in this context.

Good line.

Eat well. Exercise. One way or another it always boils down to the same principles.

 

[Scotland]

Not true at all.

I'm not going to engage another one of little graham's anti-pharma rants but diet soft drinks do mess with your body.

If you eat sugar your body recognises you're eating sugar and processes it accordingly. If you eat something that the body thinks is sugar but isn't it doesn't really know what to do.

 

[Bluelegs]

One thing I think about is with pets and children. Its seen as being a bad parent or owner to let them get fat. You have to feed them correct portions and a reasonably healthy diet. So why is it acceptable for adults to eat poorly? Do we need someone to feed us?

Because adults making their own decisions that only affects them is no own business. Kids and pets have little to no control over what they eat. So the person feeding them bears the responsibility.

 

[Godchin]

If you eat sugar your body recognises you're eating sugar and processes it accordingly. If you eat something that the body thinks is sugar but isn't it doesn't really know what to do.

Aspartame is one of the most researched substances in human history and one of the most approved. It's perfectly safe in humans in normal amounts.

A can of normal cola is far more harmful than its diet counterpart.

 

[the_interloper]

The cost of obesity is bigger than the individual - no pun intended.

I hope I never sit next to you at a dinner party.

 

[Lebbo73]

Aspartame is one of the most researched substances in human history and one of the most approved. It's perfectly safe in humans in normal amounts.

A can of normal cola is far more harmful than its diet counterpart.

Dream on. It makes you crook. I have worked with blokes who drank diet coke and they looked like death fired up. One of them gave up diet coke and he said and looked never better.

 

[Scotland]

All soft drink is bad for you.

 

[Lebbo73]

Dream on. It makes you crook. I have worked with blokes who drank diet coke and they looked like death fired up. One of them gave up diet coke and he said and looked never better.

I drank a can of coke zero every day, instead of coke, for a month and I felt like shit.
Coke isn't good for you but the diet varieties are shocking!

 

[Godchin]

Dream on. It makes you crook. I have worked with blokes who drank diet coke and they looked like death fired up. One of them gave up diet coke and he said and looked never better.

That's just anecdotal evidence that doesn't stack up to the mountains of research and body of scientific literature that's available.

I'm not saying it's good for you - I'm just saying it's not the toxic poison that people make it out to be.

 

[Catfish Alley]

Isn't Australia the fattest nation on earth? If not we would be close considering noone in this thread has any real idea of the problem.

Tonga I believe. At least, it used to be.

 

[Doggy doo doo]

Aspartame is one of the most researched substances in human history and one of the most approved. It's perfectly safe in humans in normal amounts.

A can of normal cola is far more harmful than its diet counterpart.

Aspartame was approved because Donald Rumsfeld who worked for the company making the poison moved into a position in the FDA(food and drug admin) then magic aspartame was passed off as safe and his previous company made billions. Before this the FDA was rejecting aspartame because of harmfull side effects.

 

[WCErevival]

Because adults making their own decisions that only affects them is no own business. Kids and pets have little to no control over what they eat. So the person feeding them bears the responsibility.

Adults don't seem to have any control either and that's the problem.

 

[Catfish Alley]

What's the big problem that scares people though? Shortened life span of others, unhealthy kids?

 

[Godchin]

Aspartame was approved because Donald Rumsfeld who worked for the company making the poison moved into a position in the FDA(food and drug admin) then magic aspartame was passed off as safe and his previous company made billions. Before this the FDA was rejecting aspartame because of harmfull side effects.

Okay, you can believe that if you like, but what about all the other regulatory bodies that have tested it around the world? What about the sheer weight of independent research?

 

[little graham]

Aspartame was approved because Donald Rumsfeld who worked for the company making the poison moved into a position in the FDA(food and drug admin) then magic aspartame was passed off as safe and his previous company made billions. Before this the FDA was rejecting aspartame because of harmfull side effects.

Why do they claim that shit?

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/19/the-shocking-story-of-how-aspartame-became-legal/

By 1980 the FDA bans aspartame from use after having 3 independent scientists study the sweetener. It was determined that one main health effects was that it had a high chance of inducing brain tumors. At this point it was clear that aspartame was not fit to be used in foods and banned is where it stayed, but not for long.

Early in 1981 Searle Chairman Donald Rumsfeld (who is a former Secretary of Defense.. surprise surprise) vowed to “call in his markers,” to get it approved. January 21, 1981, the day after Ronald Reagan’s inauguration, Searle took the steps to re-apply aspartame’s approval for use by the FDA. Ronald Reagans’ new FDA commissioner Arthur Hayes Hull, Jr., appointed a 5-person Scientific Commission to review the board of inquiry’s decision.

It did not take long for the panel to decide 3-2 in favor of maintaining the ban of aspartame. Hull then decided to appoint a 6th member to the board, which created a tie in the voting, 3-3. Hull then decided to personally break the tie and approve aspartame for use. Hull later left the FDA under allegations of impropriety, served briefly as Provost at New York Medical College, and then took a position with Burston-Marsteller. Burstone-Marstella is the chief public relations firm for both Monsanto and GD Searle. Since that time he has never spoken publicly about aspartame.