FBI agents report use of torture at Guan Bay

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http://theage.com.au/news/War-on-Terror/Pentagon-to-look-at-FBI-claims-of-abuse/2004/12/21/1103391767774.html

FBI agents disapproved of torture methods used at Guantanamo Bay. How far does the rabbit hole go? Memos signed off by Rumsfeld authorising the use of various torture techniques, torture at Abu Grahib, rendition to third world countries to torture suspects etc...

Then you have Iraq, estimated 100,000 civilians dead with limited hope of a stable democracy.

And then you have the real war on terror, 0 progress, no Bin Laden, CIA is a mess, Bush's cabinet free of moderates and full of hawks.

What the hell is going on.
 

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whats going on is a complete and utter phuck up perpertrated by the 'good samaritans' the coalition psycho-christians
psycho ultra right christian freaks like bush and his cronies = OBL with nukes = the ultra orthadox jews = catholic IRA = Protestant loyalists = sikh extremists etc.

the extremes of any religion or ideology is a danger to all.

christians/muslims/jews/hindus etc going around believing their own mythology is fine, when they start bombing each other to make their point its ggone too far, or bombing each other take control of the oil resources under the guise of whatever BS they spin.
 

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dan warna said:
psycho ultra right christian freaks like bush and his cronies = OBL with nukes = the ultra orthadox jews = catholic IRA = Protestant loyalists = sikh extremists etc.

the extremes of any religion or ideology is a danger to all.

christians/muslims/jews/hindus etc going around believing their own mythology is fine, when they start bombing each other to make their point its ggone too far, or bombing each other take control of the oil resources under the guise of whatever BS they spin.

I sure can't argue with that.You wonder where it is all going to end.
 

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dan warna said:
psycho ultra right christian freaks like bush and his cronies = OBL with nukes = the ultra orthadox jews = catholic IRA = Protestant loyalists = sikh extremists etc.

the extremes of any religion or ideology is a danger to all.

christians/muslims/jews/hindus etc going around believing their own mythology is fine, when they start bombing each other to make their point its ggone too far, .
Cant argue with that at all dan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/war/index.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/war/religion.shtml

The paradox
Every one of the major religions stresses its love of peace, yet almost every religion has been involved in war. Throughout history religion has appeared to be the cause of savage wars and great cruelty, usually in the name of God.

In fact Jainism is the only religion that has always been completely peaceful (although there have been many pacifist groups within other religions).

Religion continues to play a big part in shaping political groups and is sometimes used as a source (or focus) of hostility between nation-states. Religion, particularly in the form of radical Islam, has become one of the focal points for hostility against western powers.

Many religious people are concerned at the way that some of the most unpleasant modern conflicts, such as Northern Ireland, the Middle East, Bosnia and Sri Lanka involve religious disputes and are fueled by appeals to religious difference or identity.

But few wars are entirely religious in their causes.

Many wars that appear to be religious are in fact about other things altogether. Religion is used sometimes to provide a respectable disguise for other motives, and often to provide a source of inspiration and motivation for the war.
Religion is for many people and groups the key component of their personal and group identity - when such a group is involved in a war its members may identify and inspire themselves by their faith. When this happens religion is a significant component in the war, but that doesn't necessarily make it a religious war.

Then we have this


For many centuries Christians believed that it was right and proper to use violence (and thus war) to spread the faith and deal with its opponents. They did not regard violence as an inherently bad thing: whether it was bad or not depended on what it was being used for.

The idea that violence is not inherently bad can also be seen in some versions of the Just War doctrine - violence (war) can be a vital tool in restoring justice and peace


Interesting and one which I shudder at the ''righteousness'' of our leaders
I truly fear that unless there is accountability, then we will continue to follow our leaders down a path which I fear will plunge us into further and prolonged ''religous wars''
 
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