Fear of Losing

[CFC2010]

Does anyone else fear losing more than having a chance at winning? Maybe I've been broken too many times.

I lived through the Tony Shaw era and I went every week but felt numb.......a loss was expected.

Malthouse era I understood another feeling.......pride & hope.....less fear.

2011..........always expected a win.......bizzare feeling but amazing all the same (I hope I feel that again).......no fear at all.

The Bucks era has been very weird but I am with you domus.........the fear is building.......not one game I have been super confident in 2018.

It's a healthy fear IMO because we still have such a long way to go to make finals this year.

It's a good feeling to have.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

The shit I don't understand is this.. we make the 8.. we're a chance.. nothing to fear.. go out and play our game.

And another thing that shits me is this.. how relevant is round 1 and 2.. 10 rounds later? How the hell is that relevant to that 'oh but we haven't beaten teams in the 8' argument.

If you're gonna use this whole 'well they have beaten sides in the top 8' argument.. well let's rate the top 8 sides and how they've performed against sides outside the 8.

Current form suggests we're as good as any other side in the comp. F what happened 12 weeks ago. 6 weeks ago.

We look at our deficiencies and yes we do have a couple. But bloody sure as hell.. other top sides have em as well.

I see a side that can win a premiership.. why bloody not. I look at Richmond Sydney and WC.. and I want em.

In conclusion.. in the here and now.. we can take any one on.

 

[Black_White]

I fear our next game.
So much heat being put on the Bloose this week.
Every footy show, every paper, every online forum.
We have to come out firing, because their first 15 minutes will be ferocious.
I fear the worst, I blame the history of the Buckley era,

 

[BringouttheGimp]

I fear our next game.
So much heat being put on the Bloose this week.
Every footy show, every paper, every online forum.
We have to come out firing, because their first 15 minutes will be ferocious.
I fear the worst, I blame the history of the Buckley era,

I'd probably fear football if it was a flip of the coin.. in a game played over 2 hrs.. and we lose? Well we deserve it.. so fear doesnt come into it.. were just not good enough. We win.. well rejoice.

 

[sideswipe]

FEAR about the outcome of a football match where you're NOT PLAYING and hence have no control over?

What are you really frightened of?

It's a game? When your team wins, be a gracious winner. When they lose, show respect and sportsmanship towards the winning team.
What was Kipling's quote again?

I'm not fearing the outcome of a game!

Whilst fear is the word being used I would think nearly all are enjoying the opportunity to feel the “fear” but it might be better termed as “care”.

It is a very poor analogy and probably inappropriate but one of the factors that brings on problem gambling is increasing the stakes to find a point where emotions are aroused.

The Tiger Woods/Michael Jordan approach to gambling on a golf game. “How much are we playing for?”
“Whatever makes you uncomfortable.”

Maybe as the stakes are getting up that is close to what domus is talking about? So the fear is what we want rather than sitting outside of contention living a silent life of quiet desperation?


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[bunter]

In recent days I have felt some old familiar stirrings in my heart and guts. It's the feeling which is so familiar to true footy fans-the one you get when you suddenly realize your boys are actually a sneaky chance to make the finals and perhaps even do some damage.

Right alongside the excitement and dreaming is the deeper dread of failure. The pain of losing a final is intense. Losing a grand final is agony. The two emotions run side by side as they do for all fans but no supporters have had their hearts torn asunder like Collingwood supporters have.

I've realized there is a seductive comfort in being average. You are thereabouts but not a genuine threat. Losses hurt but even opposition fans aren't as feral when they don't see you as a threat. That all changes when they sense you may be a challenger, so along with your own expectations and fears, the level of in your face vitriol and salt in wounds behaviour rises.

So, I occasionally find myself daydreaming about Treloar running inside fifty and drilling a goal to put us in front of the Tigers with only seconds remaining. It's exhilarating even as a daydream....but then I contemplate the horror of the alternative ending.

If not this year, the signs are clear-we are on the rise and finals beckon again in the years ahead. I should be ecstatic but the fear is ever present. Does anyone else fear losing more than having a chance at winning? Maybe I've been broken too many times.

I have felt the pain of grand final losses, the fear of failure on the big stage. After 50 plus years it boils down to this weekend. Now let’s fukcing pump those dirty rotten cheating blue bag scum by 100+, the perfect storm awaits my fellow woodsmen.

 

[Vicky Park]

Its not just a game; its never been just a game. Its about history, tradition, ancestors, Abbotsford DNA, struggles...and beating Carlton. How could all that be captured in a game of several hours where blokes run around in silly jumpers kicking a leather ball?

The fear is there when (like me) you place so much importance on the outcome.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Its not just a game; its never been just a game. Its about history, tradition, ancestors, Abbotsford DNA, struggles...and beating Carlton. How could all that be captured in a game of several hours where blokes run around in silly jumpers kicking a leather ball?

The fear is there when (like me) you place so much importance on the outcome.

Well said re.. exactly what it's all about..

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Its not just a game; its never been just a game. Its about history, tradition, ancestors, Abbotsford DNA, struggles...and beating Carlton. How could all that be captured in a game of several hours where blokes run around in silly jumpers kicking a leather ball?

The fear is there when (like me) you place so much importance on the outcome.

This is a good lil read to understand it a lot more..

 

[BringouttheGimp]

One thing that I love about Treloar is his belief.

Watched him in several chats to the media.. he always mentions that 'we can match it with anyone'.

I love that shit re.. f why not!

If you believe in yourself.. you cancel out those who don't. And you're left with a select few who do. That belief will eventually yield a premiership.

You make the final table of the WSOP and fear creeps into your game.. you don't stand a chance.. you make the final table.. f go for it re.. play your opponents.. prey on their fears and insecurities. And you'll come close to either winning it.. or taking it out re.

If you lose you lose re.. but you're playing to win.. and you did it without fear.. so there's no reason to be upset about it.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Watching the replay.

Stephenson tries the outrun Hibbert with the pill.. Hibbert runs him down.

What did Stephenson do?

Gets back on the mark with a smile on his face.. 'do it again reee'.

That's the shit I love.. no fear re. Confidence and belief. Didn't care that he got tackled.. to me.. his reaction was worth a goal.

Sidebottom Treloar De Goey Stephenson.. these types along with others in our side.. no fear re.. it's gonna get us results.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

The shit I don't like is Dale Thomas playing for Carlspanked sticking his fingers up at us after snagging one.

Perhaps he needs to get on a cruise ship and travel around the Mediterranean.. frog pond mentality.. grow up re.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

De Goey running through the packs and grabbing the pill re.. whilst Petraca is sitting on the periphery with skiddies on his best jocks re..

That's what it's all about re.

Belief not fear.

That's why it's imperative we sign this bloke for a long time.

 

[Brad Goodman]

That only works in theory. Do you think the Doggie fans would have been comforted after a one point loss in the GF by someone reminding them they weren't expected to be there?

It wasn't a grand final but after Geelong narrowly beat us in 2007 I was more proud than I was upset.

 

[Bard]

Still worried we’ll manage to lose this weekend let alone reach and lose a GF... I have faith but not /that/ much yet.

 

[DuckToaster]

I fear losing to Carlton, because if we do I'll need a new t.v

 

[Leviathan Pie]

In recent days I have felt some old familiar stirrings in my heart and guts. It's the feeling which is so familiar to true footy fans-the one you get when you suddenly realize your boys are actually a sneaky chance to make the finals and perhaps even do some damage.

Right alongside the excitement and dreaming is the deeper dread of failure. The pain of losing a final is intense. Losing a grand final is agony. The two emotions run side by side as they do for all fans but no supporters have had their hearts torn asunder like Collingwood supporters have.

I've realized there is a seductive comfort in being average. You are thereabouts but not a genuine threat. Losses hurt but even opposition fans aren't as feral when they don't see you as a threat. That all changes when they sense you may be a challenger, so along with your own expectations and fears, the level of in your face vitriol and salt in wounds behaviour rises.

So, I occasionally find myself daydreaming about Treloar running inside fifty and drilling a goal to put us in front of the Tigers with only seconds remaining. It's exhilarating even as a daydream....but then I contemplate the horror of the alternative ending.

If not this year, the signs are clear-we are on the rise and finals beckon again in the years ahead. I should be ecstatic but the fear is ever present. Does anyone else fear losing more than having a chance at winning? Maybe I've been broken too many times.

Great post. Insightful, I feel likewise.

Belief in the group is an amazing thing, for the first time in years - I personally believe we can win every game we play in. It would appear the playing list have finally bought into the system, too.

Confidence is an amazing beast. You're essentially never truly beaten.

 

[Piestration]

Only thing I’m scared of is not winning by 100+ points and not sending Carlton further into their abyss.

And nearly as importantly, we jump into the 4 when the Cheese eaters lose to Port.

 

[sr36]

No fear for me, but for me it’s about the journey more than the destination and I don't buy into the Premiership or failure dichotomy. I found 2002 to be as enjoyable as 2010, both trumped by 1990. Loving watching this current team. If this year falls like 2002, it'll be gutting on the day, but will have been a great ride.

 

[jathanas]

I try to enjoy the moment without worrying too much about what's next, especially so w' footy.

Right now we're on the up, it's the best feeling. If we're lucky we'll taste the ultimate victory, the GF. The game is engineered to run in cycles though so I don't expect any team to stay at the top forever; isn't that a good thing?

 

[76woodenspooners]

FEAR about the outcome of a football match where you're NOT PLAYING and hence have no control over?

What are you really frightened of?

It's a game? When your team wins, be a gracious winner. When they lose, show respect and sportsmanship towards the winning team.
What was Kipling's quote again?

I'm not fearing the outcome of a game!

You’re one cool cucumber there Robroy22

You’re watching the Tattslotto draw. You’ve got 5 numbers matched and the sixth is about to drop. Does your pulse go above 60?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Great thread

Anybody follow any other teams?

I follow Collingwood and I follow Socceroos Australia (and others)

The expectations around Australia are quite a bit different to those around Collingwood.

As I wrote in another thread, I was skipping out of the bar after our 2:1 loss to France. We took it up to the French, we played well and earnt respect. I’ve ***never*** been satisfied after any Collingwood loss.

I imagine that following Australia provides an insight into what it would be like to follow a team like St Kilda or Western Bulldogs or Melbourne (who have generally been poor during my lifetime). It’s a very different view on the world.

 

[Pie eyed]

It wasn't a grand final but after Geelong narrowly beat us in 2007 I was more proud than I was upset.

That final series was the first real hint we had a flag in the offing.
Two weeks earlier we beat Sydney in an epic.
Then Wet Toast, then the Geebung country Club just pipped us...





The extra time conclusion here....
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2014-05-22/flashback-extratime-in-the-2007-semifinal

 

[Brad Goodman]

 

[Carringbush2010]

I've realized there is a seductive comfort in being average.

This is a very interesting point! For mine I'd rather that we've played 43 grand finals for only 15 wins and 2 draws rather than float mid table for comfort.

I've seen us in 10 attempts with my own eyes since 77 when I was parochial 7 yo pie for only 2 wins and a 2 draws.

Surely, surely even this pain is better than being Melb, Richmond, Dogs and Saints that have not contended for years and decades on end.

I'd rather us contending than having no hope of winning it. I like that we have hope again instead of being in the dark and not respected by the competition.