Society/Culture Feminism - 2017 Thread - Pt II

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Yeah me too. I grew up loving that ad, seemed very inspirational.

I think that is the problem with the new one. The overall message is good but it is not inspirational. It is condescending.

What the people trying to get this message across need to know is that the idea that men or masculinity has a widespread fundamental problem, or is toxic, is wrong.
But that isn’t the message.

Some of the behaviours that aren’t good for anyone are being called out. That’s all.
 

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But that isn’t the message.

Some of the behaviours that aren’t good for anyone are being called out. That’s all.
You should probably watch the ad before commenting. If you had watched it you would know that it's conflating normal male behaviour with 'toxic masculinity'.

And please explain why the **** should we trust and assign moral authority to a company that is trying to sell us stuff?
 

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You should probably watch the ad before commenting. If you had watched it you would know that it's conflating normal male behaviour with 'toxic masculinity'.

And please explain why the **** should we trust and assign moral authority to a company that is trying to sell us stuff?
And it’s a company whose own backyard isn’t exactly ship shape as well.
 
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******* stupid game
Clementine Ford has resigned/been sacked from Fairfax. Taking away the platform for her extremism can only benefit us all.
Pity about that. On a platform like Fairfax where they have editors and so forth to keep a lid on her, she's actually quite readable. I don't often agree with what she says, but she makes me think and see things from another perspective.

Away from any constraints she'll just rant away on twitter and facebook and be totally unreadable. Like Donald Trump. And the irony will be totally lost on her.
 

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Pity about that. On a platform like Fairfax where they have editors and so forth to keep a lid on her, she's actually quite readable. I don't often agree with what she says, but she makes me think and see things from another perspective.
"Clementine Ford has been a contributor for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age for the past seven years and we thank her for her work over that time."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
 

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I'm not actually happy about the Ford sacking. There's an element of 'hoisted by her own petard' that amuses me but there's a sinister air of censorship about it.
There possibly is some element of censorship but we still only have clem Ford's side of things.
By the same standard is there any other columnist or journo at Fairfax who could write one article, let alone dozens, critical of women in the same tone as Ford has done for years?
There is a case that Ford has operated by her own rules and rules that other people cannot operate by for many years
 

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I'm not actually happy about the Ford sacking. There's an element of 'hoisted by her own petard' that amuses me but there's a sinister air of censorship about it.
She seems to be incapable of expressing a strong opinion without descending into abuse. Then when people have said less offensive things about her she's gone to their employers to get them sacked.



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Ingrid sees Toxic Masculinity everywhere.

Even the trees are out to get her.

Those trees **** me about too
Its not the pollen,its the seed pods its like fibreglass when they break up
I was always copping it in Melbourne and then when I went on holiday in Aix-en-Province they had the same trees and it was the right time ,horrible
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...uring-spring-doctors-say-20151030-gkmxzd.html

So definitely the female part of the tree that is the problem not the male
 

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Those trees **** me about too
Its not the pollen,its the seed pods its like fibreglass when they break up
I was always copping it in Melbourne and then when I went on holiday in Aix-en-Province they had the same trees and it was the right time ,horrible
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...uring-spring-doctors-say-20151030-gkmxzd.html

So definitely the female part of the tree that is the problem not the male
Sounds like a ghastly nightmare.

I hope you have fully recovered somewhat.
 

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She seems to be incapable of expressing a strong opinion without descending into abuse. Then when people have said less offensive things about her she's gone to their employers to get them sacked.



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That's the hoisted by her own petard I was talking about. Two wrongs don't make a right though.
 

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You should probably watch the ad before commenting. If you had watched it you would know that it's conflating normal male behaviour with 'toxic masculinity'.

And please explain why the **** should we trust and assign moral authority to a company that is trying to sell us stuff?
a) from the pictures and clips I’ve seen, that doesn’t sound true. I may have to grit my teeth and watch the thing.
b) shoot the messenger? Ad hom? “Gilette is bad therefore the message is bad”
 
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