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Wisdom wasn't a quote. It was in inverted commas to indicate sarcasm. Ie. You aren't very wise but seem very sure of yourself. I could trawl through this thread picking out examples of where you advocate for women to be submissive, subservient etc. but I'm not the type to trawl through information that is frustrating and nigh on self-evidently false. I'm no masochist.

You keep making the same mistake. You selectively cherry pick outcomes informed from a very narrow experience. Feminism isn't aimed at making women's lives better, that's just a happy by-product. It's largely about empowering women. For example, a common line in these discussions is to point out that poor men faced conscription and died in droves during wars compared to far fewer female casualties. A win for females right? An indication of a 'gynocentric' culture right? Wrong. It's a nice outcome. Not dying and such. But it stems from a direct lack of respect for women's agency.

Maybe some fringe African-American communities riddled with gang violence would have lead happier lives under a slave master. Shelter, food etc. But give people the options and the overwhelming majority will value their agency over outcome. You paint history like women have been staying home, out of danger, not having to work, sponging off of men as a whole as if the female populous subconsciously colluded to get an easy ride. If I even have to begin explaining how wrong that is to you then I simply won't bother.

As for the quip about male feminists being a product of an inability to get laid or whatever, you're just deluded.
Tessie thinks it's reasonable for a man to shoot his partner if cheating is suspected, refers to vaginas as "tampon tunnels", believes a woman isn't really raped if she doesn't scream & that a woman invites rape through her behaviour or attire . in short, don't expect a reasonable conversation. :)
 

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Tessie thinks it's reasonable for a man to shoot his partner if cheating is suspected, refers to vaginas as "tampon tunnels", believes a woman isn't really raped if she doesn't scream & that a woman invites rape through her behaviour or attire . in short, don't expect a reasonable conversation. :)
Absolutely. There is certainly merit in discussing and debating different principles and ideas of feminism. I'm certainly not supportive of every view point to come under the banner of feminism. But the outright misogyny is something I've never encountered in real life. I don't like labeling people like that but it's pretty black and white in this case.
 
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Then if their views are so varied, feminism cannot be taken seriously as nothing can be done to address such a myriad of opinions such as those which the all those who consider themselves feminists holds.
What a ridiculous statement, by that standard no movement/view point can be taken seriously if it contains a myriad of opinions eg conservatives, unions, environmental groups, any religion you can name the list is endless.
 
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Sounds like you're describing young women riding the cock carousel, whereby they jump from one guy to the next in short order, or they have a boyfriend but also have numerous guys on the side. These actions may seem fun and ego-boosting for her while she's in her late teens and 20's, but the negative mental and emotional effects from being the town bike is quite real. These actions lead to cynicism toward men. And when she gets to her late 20's-early 30's and wants to settle down and start a family but can't find one of the bad boys types to settle down with that she's been plowing through for the last decade, she'll start howling "where have all the good men gone?", without recognizing that no man with a shred of self-respect is going to settle down with a thrashed out sloot who brings with her the massive amount psychological damage/baggage that riding the carousel brings.
Do you still keep a lock of her hair under your pillow? Does it still hurt that she noticed everyone but you? Do you still remember the sound of her breathing when you called her and were unable to talk? Can you still vividly recall watching her through her bedroom window when she was with them?
 

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Watched 4 Corners last night. Kurdish women fight ISIS, gutsy women. Would some here call them Feminists?
I am sure that they could handle it.:p
In fact it is one of those: 'I'd like to see that' moments.
No they aren't feminists. Feminists believe in superiority, not equality.

If war broke out you wouldnt see any of those privileged middle class white whining women rocking up to the war zone.

The enemy would give them rape eyes and they'd have to go back to social media and complain about it to everyone, maybe make a youtube about it.

No, those Kurdish women are about equality, not superiority. They'd be conservative women at heart because they are patriots.
 

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No they aren't feminists. Feminists believe in superiority, not equality.

If war broke out you wouldnt see any of those privileged middle class white whining women rocking up to the war zone.

The enemy would give them rape eyes and they'd have to go back to social media and complain about it to everyone, maybe make a youtube about it.

No, those Kurdish women are about equality, not superiority. They'd be conservative women at heart because they are patriots.
Well they certainly felt superior to the ISIS men and enjoyed the fact if they killed one, no virgins in heaven for them.
Not so sure about your reference to privileged women either, I would certainly follow them if I was younger. Bit of poetic licence and stereotyping on your behalf, I think.

Wonder whether you saw it to make such judgements?
 

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Well they certainly felt superior to the ISIS men and enjoyed the fact if they killed one, no virgins in heaven for them.
That's because they are Partiots. The fact you try to link it to the fact they are women misses the point completely. They enjoyed killing ISIS because ISIS is screwing with their country, not because it's screwing with women.

Not so sure about your reference to privileged women either, I would certainly follow them if I was younger. Bit of poetic licence and stereotyping on your behalf, I think.

Wonder whether you saw it to make such judgements?
Bit of a reality check on who these hard done by feminist big mouths are.

Notice how you never hear of feminists from the west in overseas nations in any shape or form? They all love to do it from the comfort of their bedrooms and laptops.
 

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That's because they are Partiots. The fact you try to link it to the fact they are women misses the point completely. They enjoyed killing ISIS because ISIS is screwing with their country, not because it's screwing with women.



Bit of a reality check on who these hard done by feminist big mouths are.

Notice how you never hear of feminists from the west in overseas nations in any shape or form? They all love to do it from the comfort of their bedrooms and laptops.
So you didn't see it.
Direct quote: they stated they were doing it for the women and children being raped and killed.
 

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Face palm for engaging with you.
Why else is it relevant a woman is fighting a war when men have been fighting them for thousands of years?

The funny thing is it simply highlights the female privilege that exists that they're making a big deal out of women fighting in a war in 2015.
 
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