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This post is staggering - we will look back on adverts that concern discrimination towards females and view that crime against males to be like "segregated water fountains" - its beyond irony!! Took me a while but you mean sexism toward males

I feel bad for the crackers who lost their access to slaves

You see let me explain it to you. Women have utereses. They give birth. Based on that biological fact there is a false assumption that women should be the primary care givers once they finish breast feeding (which is a total myth). As a result of this myth few men do the hard yards and put their career in a holding pattern while they pick the kiddies up from school etc. This creates structural problems in the workforce that inhibit the career aspirations of woman than would otherwise exist if men and woman shared the post breast feeding responsibilities of child rearing equally. The whole thing is based on a demonstrably false and sexist assumption - see its not that hard.

You and the rest of the white males can write a book "Cry Freedom" about the horrible crimes against your gender created by an advertisement that quotes verifiable facts
Verifiable facts...

You've just dribbled for three paragraphs about absolutely ******* nothing. No point in even replying to such contentless incorrect rubbish.
 

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It's not just Panahi. There are many women from the Islamic world who have called out modern Western feminists for their pettiness, selfishness and lack of perspective. If there are feminists expressing concerns about Islam, they're not doing it near as effectively as the feminists complaining about air-conditioning in their office or what some celebrity has been tweeting.
haha. Western women need to take on Islam now?
What about you guys who can't even muster up a handful of posts on a football forum, on your issues.... what exactly happened to your thread ?(yet can dedicate thousands to how shit women are).
 

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Panahi is an empty vessel. Like Bolt she picks the most remunerative opinion based on what will advance her career in the Murdoch press. This straw women complaining about the air-con is amusing.
I don't know much about Panahi, but I have enormous respect for Ayaan Hirsi Ali who has been branded as an Islamophobe by many of the same feminists that obsess over a scientist's shirt.

I think most of the complaints about feminism are about what we see in the mainstream media outlets and social media. Of course there are feminist academics with well-reasoned arguments who spend their energies on real injustices, but that's not what the average person is exposed to. For every legitimate case of sexist discrimination, we get multiple instances of misused statistics and flavour of the month non-issues. Often, these issues seem ludicrous even to sensible feminists, but then it's simply written off as being not representative of feminism as a whole. If that's the case, then why are these opinions being published? They should be confined to the blogs of nutters like the extreme men's rights stuff, only brought into the spotlight to be mocked and condemned.
 

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haha. Western women need to take on Islam now?
What about you guys who can't even muster up a handful of posts on a football forum, on your issues.... what exactly happened to your thread ?(yet can dedicate thousands to how shit women are).
Not sure what thread you mean.

And I don't think women are shit.

And I didn't say Western women needed to take on Islam. Some just need to tone down the victimhood routine and take a look at the billions of men and women who have much more to worry about than needing to take a cardigan to work.
 

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Not sure what thread you mean.
Oh, if you're talking about the thread I started about masculinity, it was deemed not worthy of its own thread and merged into here where it went on to get 0 responses (there was a response to the TL;DR version which basically just restated something I'd already said in the longer version).
 

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You're jumping up and down on the spot because some bird complained abour air conditioning, but it's the women who play the victim. Turn it up mate.
I'm not jumping up and down, I'm making some posts on a football forum in a thread designated for the topic. The air-con story is just one example of the type of thing I'm talking about and it wasn't just some bird, it was the New York Times and the BBC.
 

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why are these opinions being published? They should be confined to the blogs of nutters like the extreme men's rights stuff, only brought into the spotlight to be mocked and condemned.
For money. They know they will get the shares and clicks and arguments in comments sections.

The air-con thing was blown out of all proportion by... people with a bone to pick against women and who were outraged at any suggestion that men should ever consider a woman's point of view.
 

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For money. They know they will get the shares and clicks and arguments in comments sections.

The air-con thing was blown out of all proportion by... people with a bone to pick against women and who were outraged at any suggestion that men should ever consider a woman's point of view.
So the issue was blown out of proportion by a few dudes on a footy forum commenting on some international headlines, not by the writers and news outlets that made the issue international headlines. Makes sense.
 

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Oh, if you're talking about the thread I started about masculinity, it was deemed not worthy of its own thread and merged into here where it went on to get 0 responses (there was a response to the TL;DR version which basically just restated something I'd already said in the longer version).
Why is that?
 

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So the issue was blown out of proportion by a few dudes on a footy forum commenting on some international headlines, not by the writers and news outlets that made the issue international headlines. Makes sense.
No.

The air-con thing was pretty much accurate: women's skin temp is a good 3 degrees lower and the standards were put in place at a time when most office workers were men. No judgement, just a simple set of facts.

Journos grab it and sex it up and bang, you've got a big discussion from a minor issue that is easily corrected. Or not.

This is the same international media that swallows intentionally bogus medical studies - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ocolate-study/article24729864/?service=mobile

It is testament to the skill of troll journos that MRA types are still banging on about it.
 

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Verifiable facts...

You've just dribbled for three paragraphs about absolutely ******* nothing. No point in even replying to such contentless incorrect rubbish.
Great no response brother - stick to the squats and deadlifts. You would get an olympic medal in victim blaming. An advertisement about discrimination against women demonstrably shows the oppression of men.That oppression [of men] is similar to the oppression of the blacks in the South and Gays in contemporary Australia - its admirable in its audaciousness
 
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No.

The air-con thing was pretty much accurate: women's skin temp is a good 3 degrees lower and the standards were put in place at a time when most office workers were men. No judgement, just a simple set of facts.

Journos grab it and sex it up and bang, you've got a big discussion from a minor issue that is easily corrected. Or not.

This is the same international media that swallows intentionally bogus medical studies - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ocolate-study/article24729864/?service=mobile

It is testament to the skill of troll journos that MRA types are still banging on about it.
BBC and NYT: troll journos

Just for you, I won't mention the air-con issue again. It's just one recent example. There are many others and most likely a new one within the week.
 

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Great no response brother - stick to the squats and deadlifts. You would get an olympic medal in victim blaming. An advertisement about discrimination against women demonstrably shows the oppression of men.That oppression [of men] is similar to the oppression of the blacks in the South and Gays in contemporary Australia - its admirable in its audaciousness
Opression... delusional
 

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I don't know. I thought it was a well thought out post about violence in society.
I thought it could be an interesting discussion. However, obviously talking about men's issues, isn't really want these guys want to discuss. Given an opportunity, they choose to rail against women. Forgive me for not taking most of the posters on here seriously.
 

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You see let me explain it to you. Women have utereses. They give birth. Based on that biological fact there is a false assumption that women should be the primary care givers once they finish breast feeding (which is a total myth). As a result of this myth few men do the hard yards and put their career in a holding pattern while they pick the kiddies up from school etc. This creates structural problems in the workforce that inhibit the career aspirations of woman that would NOT otherwise exist if men and woman shared the post breast feeding responsibilities of child rearing equally. The whole thing is based on a demonstrably false and sexist assumption - see its not that hard.
The fact that she has the uterus and the breasts mean that the wife has to take at least some time out of her career to have a child. For many families, the decision is made for the husband to keep the money coming in (hopefully advancing in his career) while the wife, after taking the year or so out of work that is pretty much unavoidable, takes over the bulk of household management. This arrangement makes sense for the average family that doesn't have the luxury of letting both parents take time off, or of jumping in and out of the workforce at will. It's not necessarily a sexist arrangement and the natural consequences of it (higher average male earnings and greater career progression over a lifetime) aren't necessarily an indication that women are being hard done by.
 

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I thought it could be an interesting discussion. However, obviously talking about men's issues, isn't really want these guys want to discuss. Given an opportunity, they choose to rail against women. Forgive me for not taking most of the posters on here seriously.
That statement would be fine if you expanded it to include the other side who would also rather not discuss it. Given opportunity, they choose to make ad hominem attacks and put words in people's mouths.
 

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I have a feeling that there is going to be social change unseen since the 1960s over the next few years. That the old guard are so vociferous in defence of the status quo strangely reassures me.
 

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I have a feeling that there is going to be social change unseen since the 1960s over the next few years. That the old guard are so vociferous in defence of the status quo strangely reassures me.
I'm neither old guard nor in favour of any status quo.

I'm here to talk about some of the myths that come from the fringes of radical feminism but end up as world news or trending topics and are sometimes accepted as fact by the average feminist. Nothing to do with keeping women down.
 

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The fact that she has the uterus and the breasts mean that the wife has to take at least some time out of her career to have a child. For many families, the decision is made for the husband to keep the money coming in (hopefully advancing in his career) while the wife, after taking the year or so out of work that is pretty much unavoidable, takes over the bulk of household management. This arrangement makes sense for the average family that doesn't have the luxury of letting both parents take time off, or of jumping in and out of the workforce at will. It's not necessarily a sexist arrangement and the natural consequences of it (higher average male earnings and greater career progression over a lifetime) aren't necessarily an indication that women are being hard done by.
How many years have you spent as a primary care giver for a child?
 

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Do you actually contribute anything Maggie? Dont think i've read a single thing from you that isnt moralistic high ground grandstanding.

The view that you are irrefutably correct in every single opinion that exists as a glimmer in your mind, and that you are fighting the good fight, the moral fight the just fight means you never actually say anything of importance
 
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