FEV to CHF????

[Blue Bawls]

Exactly Fev at CHF will not work.

CHF has little space and working through much traffic. Fev is a star FF and from what I've seen a rather average CHF.

He doesn't have the tank to play CHF. He has had a poor couple of weeks, but lets not forget that some of the delivery has been rather poor. If we can get someone like Hartlett, Cloke, Kruezer / Hampson to make a real presence across CHF it would make much more sense than swapping Fev's natural position.

Fev plays his best Football when our forward line is open, think back to when Fev kicks his bags of goals. It's usually himself, Betts and Fisher the other forwards have all spread out and pushed forward. 1 on 1 on the lead Fev will take the mark 7/10 times.

That' why they flooded on Saturday.

 

[judd5]

In all seriousness, how many goals do you all think he needs to kick each week to secure his longevity?

I would be expect an average of around 4 per game.

 

[Artie Bucco]

That' why they flooded on Saturday.

Well I don't know what Ratten has instructed to the forwards, but if the other forwards had more of a presence or worked to create space this wouldn't be able to flood and triple team fev.

Seriously if they have 2-3 spare men that means that somewhere on the ground so do we, our players need to be smarter and realise what's happening around them. This will come with experience.

 

[Artie Bucco]

I would be expect an average of around 4 per game.

That's 88 goals. He'll win the Coleman with that. Anything over 60 is fair, 70 is good and 80+ is probably Coleman winner

 

[judd5]

That's 88 goals. He'll win the Coleman with that. Anything over 60 is fair, 70 is good and 80+ is probably Coleman winner

And that should be what is expected of him because that is what he is capable of.
Our forward line is basically the same and certainly not much better than it was when he won the Coleman medal a few years ago, and he is still the same option, however we are a better team and he should be getting better opportunity and supply.

 

[thegreenmachine]

Here is another theory, even though realistically it may not happen. When the season is over and pre-season training is under way, perhaps Brett Ratten may get tough and say that Brendan can work on dropping a few kilos and therefore gain some endurance. Fev is super quick and as we know, very difficult to beat when on a lead. Generally, players don't worry about double and triple teaming on players when they get the ball in the midfield or the wing, which is what a CHF does as opposed to a FF. The days that players play a full season as a specialist FF leading out of the square are pretty much a dead breed anyway. If Fevola can add endurance to his lightning speed, it will add another dimension to his game and allow him to play up the ground more, and add less predictability to the forward line by rotating players more, because he's obviously getting frustrated down there.

 

[judd5]

Does he have the contested marking skills to play up the ground more?
Will he be less damging playing further up the ground?

 

[Artie Bucco]

And that should be what is expected of him because that is what he is capable of.
Our forward line is basically the same and certainly not much better than it was when he won the Coleman medal a few years ago, and he is still the same option, however we are a better team and he should be getting better opportunity and supply.

Back then I don't think we had anyone kick over 20 goals besides Fev. (might be wrong I can't remember) but now we have Fisher at least 40 and Betts is on track for 25+

We have always kicked decent scores but now we are beginning to share them around a little more. When Fev kicked massive amounts of goals it's because Pagan allowed him the 50 virtually to himself. IMO expecting more 80 goals is unrealistic.

A good side should have 2 players above 40 goals and at least another 2 above 20 goals.

Unless of course you boast a midfield that is as attacking as that of West Coasts 2 years ago.

 

[Pred_ator]

I don't think the forward line or Fev is the problem. The problem is our delivery. In the first quarter when our delivery was good, our forwards performed. The poor quality and slow delivery into the forwardline is the problem at the moment. A forward line contining Fev, Edwards, Kruezer, and Fisher is actually very good.

Its tough on the forwards when Bowers kicking mongrel finger breaking clangers inside 50 on a regular basis.

 

[eppa]

I dont think we would gain much having Fev running down to the wing if he was moved to CHF. He may very well get a lot more footy but wont be able to do much damage to the scoreboard from 90 metres out. I think that patience has to be shown and yes its very frustrating at the moment however you have to expect inconsistency and fade outs when you have so many guys in the club who have played less than 75 senior games.

Hell St Kilda went through the same process and got young guys like Goddard, Del Santo, Reinwielt etc etc and have blooded them through the tough times and are not reaping the rewards, as did Geelong.

Tough times for now but it will improve.

 

[thegreenmachine]

Does he have the contested marking skills to play up the ground more?
Will he be less damging playing further up the ground?

On the latter question, maybe not but Matthew Lloyd isn't a great CHF either, looks lost when he's 100m away from goal. But it will take the focus off him and stop teams thinking that we've just got to stop Fev, that and at times sloppy delivery into the forward line are frustrating him.

I dont think we would gain much having Fev running down to the wing if he was moved to CHF. He may very well get a lot more footy but wont be able to do much damage to the scoreboard from 90 metres out. I think that patience has to be shown and yes its very frustrating at the moment however you have to expect inconsistency and fade outs when you have so many guys in the club who have played less than 75 senior games.

Hell St Kilda went through the same process and got young guys like Goddard, Del Santo, Reinwielt etc etc and have blooded them through the tough times and are not reaping the rewards, as did Geelong.

Tough times for now but it will improve.

Correct on your comment about the similarities with us and St.Kilda. On Fevola again, the real problem is the other 15 teams in the competition seem to have a mindset saying to themselves just to stop Fev, it's almost as though they think that the Carlton players are just going to kick it to Fev all the time. When you're the key forward who plays mainly in the forward 50, you're going to be the focus. If we had 2 big forwards like St.Kilda do (Koschitzke and Riewoldt), then you can probably afford to do what they do and play Gehrig in the goalsquare, same as Hawthorn where they have 3 or 4, even 5 targets and this allows Franklin and Roughead to play in the forward line. There are many potential forwards at Carlton to take some pressure off Fevola but we need them in other areas like the ruck and defence. You can probably still have 1 of the ruckmen resting in the forward 50.

 

[Blue Bawls]

I liked the idea of Fev at CHF until I saw Kreuzer. If ever there was a bloke who could own that spot it's him. Tall, strong (especially when he fills out), amazing skills - think Carey or Gary Lyon.

Fev would be a hugely imposing physical target there and could crash the pack, give the backs a target in the corridor, but Kreuzer would win a lot more ball.