Fevola for Bradshaw & Rischitelli?

[TheNumber4]

I'd rather pick 10 and Rischitelli. I'd rather pick 10 and Henderson. I'd rather pick 10 and any emerging prospect that's capable of playing 100 games rather than a washed up Bradshaw.

With Bradshaw we're desperately trying to plug a hole that he simply won't fill. So why bother? Take the short term hit (because we will anyway) and do what we have to to be where we want in two-three years time.

And that's quite apart from what we could get elsewhere.

Washed up having played 21 games in 2009, with 58 goals 21 behinds at 73.4% accuracy. Doesn't sound washed up to me.

With Fev and probably Nick Stevens gone we are going to be losing a fair bit of experience so putting someone like Bradshaw in the team will not hold back the development of players like Kruezer in the forward line. I'd rather have someone in the team that can at least cover at least half of the goals that Fev would normally kick for us, than have a draft pick that may not even be a forward option.

 

[The Exorcist]

We're talking about a match winning, goal kicking freak who has won two colemans, and i would've liked more as well

However, his value significantly diminished in trade week, because


1. Brownlow Medal antics
2. long time off-field issues
3. a HUGE contract, which it's reported Brissy will be paying
4. Carlton publicly stating they wanted him gone
5. Fev getting a few teammates off side
6. he's 29 next year
7. No one was actually banging on our door for him


A player's worth isn't necessarily how the supporters value him, but how the other 15 clubs value him

In the circumstances, we've done well (although wish he was still here)

Part of the problem is we've never known life without Fev, and it's all speculation of whether we do better, we do worse, or we do the same

We just don't know

 

[AlecDuncan]

That all seems pretty simple doesn't it. If you had gun players not wanting to play with Fev, being told to forget about what Fev did to them and 'suck it up', you won't have any problem with losing one or more of those players over the next year or two as they now have zero respect for the club or how the club looks after them?

Well, players leave for lack of success too. Now they've got their way, let's hope they stick out the lean times ahead, because I don't see us back until 2012.

 

[TheNumber4]

This is an absolute disgrace. A hobbling 31 year old forward with 2 good years left at best and a depth player. That bs ODN we would of got a better deal than that, it seems Swany bends over and takes it just as easy as you do.

ODN is entitled to an opinion just like you are, but thankfully ODN has a considered opinion and more respect for people than you do.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This is an absolute disgrace. A hobbling 31 year old forward with 2 good years left at best and a depth player. That bs ODN we would of got a better deal than that, it seems Swany bends over and takes it just as easy as you do.

It's simple. If you know of better trades, come forward and tell us what they were and who was offering them.

To date this was the ONLY offer we have received, aside from Collingwood offering #30. The ONLY one. That is fact.

We would have offloaded Fev for nothing if he was uncontracted. He would have been delisted if we had no offers and found his way to another club through the PSD. The contract got us a little something, not much, but a little. It also gave us zero wriggle room with the end of trade week looming.

Maybe those in denial will now realise that we could not keep Fev, that under no circumstances was he to be at the club next year. Everyone is still remembering their hero spearhead, who could be a dick but a harmless dick where the good outweighed the bad. That situation has changed. It has infected others.

Anybody who chooses to take out their frustration on the club, on Bradshaw, Rischitelli, Judd, Murphy, Gibbs or any other player next season, is not a supporter's arseh*le in my opinion.

We were screwed to the wall on this deal and it hurts, but let's not pretend we know there were other offers much better.

Pick 14 is a speculator in this draft, zero guarantees, and if were had have got it, it was more likely to come from Collingwood than Sydney. How would you feel about Fev kicking goals for Collingwood for the next few years while Pick 14 labours and is eventually delisted? I bet you would be proud watching Fev do a lap of honour holding a Collingwood premiership cup, would you?

There was no way to come out of this with our dignity intact ... NONE. At least we have made moves to restore our credibility and create a culture capable of winning a flag. Our brand has taken a major hammering over the last decade.

 

[Juddanaught]

We now have Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Mclean, Simpson, Riska, Walker, Hadley, Carrazzo, Scotland, Grigg, Robinson. 12 good mids maybe we should try and trade another one of our KPP for luke ball we obviously don't have enough mids.

Surely we have to trade one or two of these guys to try and pick up another forward. Can we have pick 11 back? Swany and Icke are really starting to look stupid.

 

[Faz 2000]

Remember, we are not making this trade for on-field reasons. This is not a trade Carlton believes will enable it to field a better side in Rnd 1 2010. This is a trade for the long-term good of the club, to address a major cultural issue and to instill in the rest of the playing group a level of respect, accountability and pride in the club.

So, whilst we can (just about) all agree Fev <-> Bradshaw and Rischitelli does not make us a better side on paper... the club is making this trade because we believe it makes us a better side in the long run.

No, it's not adequate "on field" compensation for Fev - but we were never getting that this week.

Still, I can dream there might be a late sting in the tail and we somehow get a first-rounder.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Yeah the answer is don't trade him, suck it up and give him six weeks off, and an absolute ban of alcohol and all media. simple as that, tell the players to suck it up, any rift between players is the stop(if they exist and get back to training and train hard, forget about the last four weeks and get on with business, we don't have another full forward and i don't want geriactric bradshaw. Tell fev to shut his mouth and play football.

You mean like the other 45 times we've told him to do that?

That theory worked well...

 

[Faz 2000]

We now have Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Mclean, Simpson, Riska, Walker, Hadley, Carrazzo, Scotland, Grigg, Robinson. 12 good mids maybe we should try and trade another one of our KPP for luke ball we obviously don't have enough mids.

Surely we have to trade one or two of these guys to try and pick up another forward. Can we have pick 11 back? Swany and Icke are really starting to look stupid.

Our midfield had clear deficiencies last year that now appear to have been addressed. From your list:
- Scotland is on his last legs, plays half-back anyway.
- Robinson has been used as a forward
- I'd like to see Walker used as a forward

And that still leaves a midfield strong enough to go head-to-head with literally ANY other side in the AFL.

Yes, our forward line is a problem. But nobody was waving ready-made CHFs at us.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Well, players leave for lack of success too. Now they've got their way, let's hope they stick out the lean times ahead, because I don't see us back until 2012.

Our real window was never going to be next year AD. Fev doesn't have enough years left to see out our full window, when Murph and Gibbs and Kreuzer and Hampson are about 25 or so, lead by the veteran Judd still at his peak. We always had a 10% window with Fev now or a 50% window without Fev later. We were always going to have to mix things up in our forward line and develop someone new. Now we have to try things. Now we have to get Austin into the side week in, week out. Now we have to give Setanta games, now we have to give Waitey more time up forward. We would do these things for a week or two and then fall back on to the old reliable 'kick it to Fev' routine. We might now have to think for ourselves.

Agree on one point though. If we slide back down, Gibbsy, Juddy and Murph especially better stand up as leaders and realise that the club has put them first, assuming we have done this for them, that is. We may not ever know that for sure either.

I expect the team to be playing out of their skins next year, at least in terms of endeavour.

 

[mediumsizered]

This is an absolute disgrace. A hobbling 31 year old forward with 2 good years left at best and a depth player. That bs ODN we would of got a better deal than that, it seems Swany bends over and takes it just as easy as you do.

That is a ridiculous thing to say, not just because of the attack on ODN, but to suggest Swann "bends over".

Didn't we get Judd & still keep our #1 draft pick, despite the Eagles' Trevor Nisbett stating the deal would not be done without the #1 pick? Didn't Freo demand a first round pick for Warnock, but our club stuck by their guns & held onto our first round pick & still got Warnock?

Swann knows what offers are out there for Fev, you don't. Anyone that is suggesting we could have got a first round draft pick & an up & coming youngster, or any of the other trades being suggested on here, are basing this on rumours & uninformed media reports. Fev's market value is significantly reduced by the rubbish he carried on with on Brownlow Medal night, much of which is still to be revealed.

 

[blueblood25]

ah.. awkward?

Welcome aboard Michael..

 

[Kramer1]

So, whilst we can (just about) all agree Fev <-> Bradshaw and Rischitelli does not make us a better side on paper... the club is making this trade because we believe it makes us a better side in the long run.

No, it's not adequate "on field" compensation for Fev - but we were never getting that this week.

Pretty rational as per normal Faz...though I can't see that it diminishes us on paper either, at least not for 2010. We land a guy who averages 3.5 goals a game in place of a guy who averaged 4. We strengthen our midfield, and for those saying we have too many midfielders...we basically need four midfielders on the bench to manage rotations, at very least three. Resting guys like Judd, Murph and Gibbs and not losing out too much in the process is a hell of a luxury.

 

[Big Red is back]

My concern is I would only play one of Mclean, Rist and Hadley in the side, otherwise our mids will be to slow and lack skill.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Our real window was never going to be next year AD.

I disagree. The competition's too even for us not to have been a contender next year. In 2009 we were within a few goals of being a top four side, pushed the runner-up to 9 points despite wayward kicking and beat the (admittedly weakened) premier. When you're that close, your window is open. Look no further than Hawthorn in 2008 for proof of that.

A little more injury luck and a little straighter kicking could have seen us go all the way. It would have been open as long as Fev was productive or a replacement emerged.

We don't have a ready replacement, I don't believe Bradshaw is that replacement, and we've done nothing to secure a young prospect who might be.

 

[Juddanaught]

Our midfield had clear deficiencies last year that now appear to have been addressed. From your list:
- Scotland is on his last legs, plays half-back anyway.
- Robinson has been used as a forward
- I'd like to see Walker used as a forward

And that still leaves a midfield strong enough to go head-to-head with literally ANY other side in the AFL.

Yes, our forward line is a problem. But nobody was waving ready-made CHFs at us.

I agree that Mclean and Riska are going to improve our midfield both are good in and under players that we desperately need. But basically we have improved our midfield at the detriment of our forward line.

Before the trade period we had an A Grade midfield, B grade forwardline and C grade backline.

After the trade period we have a A+ Grade midfield, C grade Forward line and C grade Backline.

We were much better off before the trade period.

 

[TheNumber4]

That is a ridiculous thing to say, not just because of the attack on ODN, but to suggest Swann "bends over".

Didn't we get Judd & still keep our #1 draft pick, despite the Eagles' Trevor Nisbett stating the deal would not be done without the #1 pick? Didn't Freo demand a first round pick for Warnock, but our club stuck by their guns & held onto our first round pick & still got Warnock?

Swann knows what offers are out there for Fev, you don't. Anyone that is suggesting we could have got a first round draft pick & an up & coming youngster, or any of the other trades being suggested on here, are basing this on rumours & uninformed media reports. Fev's market value is significantly reduced by the rubbish he carried on with on Brownlow Medal night, much of which is still to be revealed.

Don't go making sense now MS amidst this hysteria

 

[TheNumber4]

I agree that Mclean and Riska are going to improve our midfield both are good in and under players that we desperately need. But basically we have improved our midfield at the detriment of our forward line.

Before the trade period we had an A Grade midfield, B grade forwardline and C grade backline.

After the trade period we have a A+ Grade midfield, C grade Forward line and C grade Backline.

We were much better off before the trade period.

Our midfielders are just going to contribute more on the scoreboard themselves. Marc Murphy is a perfect example of a midfielder who took his game to another level in 2009 and kick 30 goals for the year. A few more step up to do that and who knows. It's time to share the goal kicking load across more than just forwards.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

How many people have considered the fact that with a brilliant midfield the ball is more likely to be in OUR hands far more than the other side?

Other teams can't be kicking goals at will if we have our hands on the pill.

The game starts in the middle, not in the forward line.

 

[Faz 2000]

Before the trade period we had an A Grade midfield, B grade forwardline and C grade backline.

Plus we had a giant, limelight-hogging, egotistical, expensive, selfish, off-field disaster, PR nightmare full forward.

After the trade period we have a A+ Grade midfield, C grade Forward line and C grade Backline.

And no giant, limelight-hogging, egotistical, expensive, selfish, off-field disaster, PR nightmare full forward.

We were much better off before the trade period.

Depends how heavily you weight the addition I made above!

Carlton Football Club clearly weight it such that they believe the club is better set up for the long run.

 

[Juddanaught]

Our midfielders are just going to contribute more on the scoreboard themselves. Marc Murphy is a perfect example of a midfielder who took his game to another level in 2009 and kick 30 goals for the year. A few more step up to do that and who knows. It's time to share the goal kicking load across more than just forwards.

So now we are going to be relying on our midfield to kick all our goals

 

[Faz 2000]

I'd expect the following players to kick more goals in 2010 than they did in 2009:

- Setanta
- Waite
- Kreuzer
- Judd
- Yarran
- Walker

It might not FULLY off-set the difference between what Fevola would have kicked and what Bradshaw WILL kick for us - but it might.

 

[Salaryman]

How many people have considered the fact that with a brilliant midfield the ball is more likely to be in OUR hands far more than the other side?

Other teams can't be kicking goals at will if we have our hands on the pill.

The game starts in the middle, not in the forward line.

Precisely

 

[wdgann]

This is the worst piece of business I have ever seen. The best full forward in the competition for a has-been and a hack

On top of this, recruiting a slow fat midfielder at a higher price than Lovett; a proven gun and matchwinner

I feel sick in the stomach

 

[Andyt30]

No Fevola= RIP CARLTON or Rather Rest in Hell