Fevola?

[santa claws]

Our major problems do not lie up forward. It would be more beneficial to trade for a ruckman or a good midfielder. Giving up high picks or handy players to fix an area where we don't have problems does not make sense. Let him go elsewhere.

i agrree but the thread ia s about wheather we go after fevola or not. take richo out of the equation and you dont have one kpf in the 22 to 28 bracket who is good enough. our kpf stocks are a real problem.just like our kpd stocks and our inside onball stocks.

 

[RichosGuns]

Our major problems do not lie up forward. It would be more beneficial to trade for a ruckman or a good midfielder. Giving up high picks or handy players to fix an area where we don't have problems does not make sense. Let him go elsewhere.

This isn't entirley true. We have one quality tall foward in Richo who is getting on in years, then we have Schultz, Huges, and Riewoldt. Schultz simply doesn't look like anything other then a goal square full foward while the other two are still very raw and can become anything.

Our backline at this stage seems our strongest assest, esspeacially when Polak can learn to take a key foward and Thursty can improve on his overall game esspeacially his possesion (or lack of). We have Bowden who despite being 188cm can match it with the best full fowards in the league and we have 1 quality small backman in Newman. Add the development of Raines, King, McGuane, Collins, Casserly etc. to that group and it looks like a good backline.

Our Mids are developing but will need the most time. Foley is our only A Class midfielder while Tuck has also stuck his finger our the last couple of months. If Cogs gets back to good form next year thats our starting centre-square 3. Through exprienced guys like Tiva and Johnson, who will be in and out of the team next year, and youngsters like Polo, Deledio, Conners, Tambling and it looks like a good unit.

Rucks are a problem. We have Simmonds and Patto. Hall and Knobel should be delisted (although i have the feeling 1 will stay) and Graham has 10 weeks to play for a senior list spot. We will go after Kruezer who is a rare ready made ruckman, meaning we will need at least 1 other

 

[French Tiger]

Last time Fevola was coming out of contract.
Carlton has 2 choices here:
With Fevola being contracted he has the final say where he wants to go.A great situation for Fev,s club of choice.
or
Carlton keeps him.

Yep im glad we kept pick 8 and cogs

He actually signed with the Blues during that year,it fell over for us when they wouldn't pay a percentage of his salary to us

 

[Goldust]

Schulz and a second rounder....yeah, I'd go for that!

Schulz will never amount to anything!

 

[RICHO: A GOD AMONGST MEN]

I can't believe people people wouldn't jump at the chance to grab this guy. We're not talking Kingsley here, folks. Fev is the premier full-forward in the comp, probably the only one still capable of kicking a ton in the modern era of footy.

People go on about his attitude, but cast your mind back to early in the season and his on-field performance was exemplary - not just kicking goals, but the defensive aspects of chasing and tackling were spot on too.

Sure his attitude has gone south since, but who knows the reason for that? Perhaps he has issues with the current administration. Maybe there's a rift with other players. My guess is he just needs a change of environment to recharge.

You could draft half a dozen kpp in the hope that just one turns out to have Fev's talent in 5 years' time. Or you could draft a ready-made star now.

If we were in the Hawks' shoes, with the likes of Buddy, Boyle and Roughead in the side, you wouldn't bother, but there's huge question marks over our young tall forward talent. I think Schulz is gonna struggle, and I'm not entirely sold on Hughes yet either. Reiwoldt's gonna be a great player but is neither a CHF or FF, and is in fact being played down back at the moment. Who else is there? Those who think that our fwd line is the least of our problems at the moment are kidding themselves.

But all is not lost. Personally I think Polak will eventually be moved to CHF. If that works, and we had Fev at FF, that would allow Richo to play in his TRUE position - don't laugh - half-forward flank. Throw Brown and Petts into the mix, along with Tambling who I think will find his niche in a pocket, and you've suddenly got one of the most potent forward lines in the league.

Grabbing Kruezer (fingers crossed) solves the ruck situation, leaving us needing a true CHB and 1 or 2 more quality mids from being a genuine contender.

Back to Fev. Now obviously you're not gonna trade a number one pick for a 26 year-old, but - assuming we win less than 5 games this year - we'll have both picks 17 and 18 in the draft. I would be more than happy to give up one of these and another player outside our core group of young stars to get him.

A fit and recharged Fev is gonna win you 4 or 5 games off his own boot easy. That means finals in 2008.

And if we were prepared to take on the discarded Kingsley, I'd be very surprised if Miller didn't make a huge play for the best FF in the comp.

I say GO FOR IT!

 

[Weaver]

I think Richo and Fev in the same forward line may be unworkable - a bit like our Taylor/Roach predicament.

That is the key part in this Fev discussion. Richo has never managed to combine with other tall forward successfully. Richo demands the ball and goes for everything - he doesn't have the footy smarts for zones, blocking, false leads etc. Neither does Fev.

The only model we have had that works is Richo dominating the forward-50, with Brown and Pettifer pushing out to HFF offering sharp-quick leads. We effectively have a 3-forward set-up it is just that Pettifer is CHF and Brown the third forward. It is about the only way we have found to provide options other than Richo.

Probably the only other way we could squeeze in another marking option down there is a long-bomb dinosaur like Stafford used to be (and Pattison does from time to time).

 

[Ando_4]

Fevola is a petulant, drunken juvenile who is a disruptive force.
Tarrant mk 2.

Steer clear and continue the rebuild through primo draft picks..

 

[gotigs]

He would be good. Still has 5 years in him. Not too prone to injury. Get him if you can without giving too much away.

 

[Colonel Matrix]

Frustration of seeing Richo and Fev frustrated =

 

[ata40]

The only model we have had that works is Richo dominating the forward-50, with Brown and Pettifer pushing out to HFF offering sharp-quick leads. We effectively have a 3-forward set-up it is just that Pettifer is CHF and Brown the third forward. It is about the only way we have found to provide options other than Richo.

I think Richo's days on the half fwd line are numbered, he will have to be sent back to the goalsquare as our anchor for the team good and his future preservation. He is starting to get back into futile leads to the wing - whereby he either marks the ball and takes too long to find options allowing the opposition to man up, or he delivers the ball into the fwd line so badly that it is turned over. When the ball does hit the ground yes he does compete but too often is either cought or pressured into a turnover.

The free spirit days of boundary hugging leads, silly counter backs, and complete ownership of the 50 arc must give way for some structure that will enables the development of the fwd set-up we want in 2010+.

 

[Russ74]

Fevola will no doubt be a sensational player again either at Carlton or wherever he goes and for 4-6 years. In our state he just isnt want we want or need as a developing club. The facts are he is a brainless disruptive moron and we dont need his influence around Riewoldt, Hughes, Tambling, Deledio, Pattison and our other good kids. Not worth the risk in my opinion. If we were in the top 3-6 maybe but realistically we wont trouble the top 4 for a couple of years yet and we're better off keeping our early picks.

 

[True Thylacine]

Regardless of his attitude and list of problems, if we arent due to be peaking until 2011, Fev will be 31 so he becomes just another Richo really. Our dynasty will be about to start and he will be about to head out to pasture. Steamer and Jack will only be 23-25 and a far better investment as all Fev can do is grab us a few extra wins between now and then maybe. Short term success doesnt appear to be one of Plough's KPI's and neither it should.

 

[CoggaRules]

Regardless of his attitude and list of problems, if we arent due to be peaking until 2011, Fev will be 31 so he becomes just another Richo really. Our dynasty will be about to start and he will be about to head out to pasture. Steamer and Jack will only be 23-25 and a far better investment as all Fev can do is grab us a few extra wins between now and then maybe. Short term success doesnt appear to be one of Plough's KPI's and neither it should.

steamer and jack will be 23- 25 and Fev will be just another Richo at 31 when there isnt a Richo there, i.e. we will then have no Richo...do you know what no Richo means? maybe someone that kicks the fuker straight.
Someone that kicks bags of goals and turns games. Not someone that takes bags of marks and has us saying if he kicked straight, if he didnt play on, if he just went back and didnt run to close to the man on the mark, if this if that....like no ifs with Fev...he gets it and its 90% a sausage roll.

 

[Kyusss]

fev would be great to have as a third forward but he isnt capable of playing that role imo
carlton last year had 80% of inside 50s kicked to fev
i dont think his ego would allow him to go to a side where brown and richo would take some of that 80%
this year carlton are trying to kick goals from different avenues and it dosent look like its sat well with fev.
he is more important than his footy club in his head
im not sure if that can be changed

 

[polakthetiger]

Apart from the obvious being he has just spat it cause they are losing and wants to win some games.... so he feels the only way out is to get kicked out....he knows from a 'selling himself point, the time clock is ticking and now is his best chance to get to a top 4 club, good cashola and the elusive prize.

Of course he is still young enough to be still playing for quite a few years and plenty of time, if he had patience and any concept of 'club', to get success where he is now.

Send him to the 2's for the rest of the season!

Hopefully he does go to WC, only to see them lose Judd and Cousins and their midfield brigade and sees himself back down at the bottom fighting for contested ball every game in the hot WC sun!!

 

[CoggaRules]

Apart from the obvious being he has just spat it cause they are losing and wants to win some games.... so he feels the only way out is to get kicked out....he knows from a 'selling himself point, the time clock is ticking and now is his best chance to get to a top 4 club, good cashola and the elusive prize.

Of course he is still young enough to be still playing for quite a few years and plenty of time, if he had patience and any concept of 'club', to get success where he is now.

Send him to the 2's for the rest of the season!

Hopefully he does go to WC, only to see them lose Judd and Cousins and their midfield brigade and sees himself back down at the bottom fighting for contested ball every game in the hot WC sun!!

they are going nowhere fast dude. They are hanging their hopes on the Waites, O'helpless, Acklands and shit-nalls, Thorntons of thiw world and now have bryce gibbs and mark murphy to feed those guns the ball.. etc....get the drift? Kouta goes....and they are shitfull in the big man dept.
Pagan has ****ed them up the ass...and the funniest thing is that he is still there on how much? LMAO.
Just get fev to tigerland, he needs a TW to coach him so he can hit the heights we all know he can. Not a malaka like Pagan, who basically has NFI if he hasnt got a superstar at CHF. FFS.....heath bloody scotland is considered a gun in the side....doesnt that seal the deal?

 

[polakthetiger]

they are going nowhere fast dude. They are hanging their hopes on the Waites, O'helpless, Acklands and shit-nalls, Thorntons of thiw world and now have bryce gibbs and mark murphy to feed those guns the ball.. etc....get the drift? Kouta goes....and they are shitfull in the big man dept.

Totally agree, but Fev is still young enough to be still there in 5 years time and a couple....surely with another 3-4 years bottom 4, should their list be that bad, they will have had that many high draft picks, and then add in a good coach, they will see some kind of success..damn dude, if they lost the rest from here, they would get 3 seriously decent players in one year!

I hear ya though...would love to see a big forward in black and yellow kick straight time after time! He will come good at another club (not sure we can give him a flag as soon he obviously wants one though). And we won't be giving up picks for him.

 

[CoggaRules]

Totally agree, but Fev is still young enough to be still there in 5 years time and a couple....surely with another 3-4 years bottom 4, should their list be that bad, they will have had that many high draft picks, and then add in a good coach, they will see some kind of success..damn dude, if they lost the rest from here, they would get 3 seriously decent players in one year!

I hear ya though...would love to see a big forward in black and yellow kick straight time after time! He will come good at another club (not sure we can give him a flag as soon he obviously wants one though). And we won't be giving up picks for him.

Browny keeps fit and he sees a flag within 2 maybe 3 with us.
We then only need one of the kids to step up at CHF, and we have the spine, add the brownys, lids, Blings, Polo, foleys, Newmans, fit Cogga, an emeging Edwards, and an awake J Bowden to compliment it. Add to that any out of left field youngsters to a Kruezer, Simmo ruck combo and we are in the mix barring injuiries within 2 years.
Would rather be hinging our hopes on one of the youngsters making it at CHF, than 2 of them making it at CHF and FF dude.

 

[polakthetiger]

Browny keeps fit and he sees a flag within 2 maybe 3 with us.
We then only need one of the kids to step up at CHF, and we have the spine, add the brownys, lids, Blings, Polo, foleys, Newmans, fit Cogga, an emeging Edwards, and an awake J Bowden to compliment it. Add to that any out of left field youngsters to a Kruezer, Simmo ruck combo and we are in the mix barring injuiries within 2 years.
Would rather be hinging our hopes on one of the youngsters making it at CHF, than 2 of them making it at CHF and FF dude.

Hey..I hear ya...if he wasn't going to cost what I think they will be chasing, and more importantly expecting, I am all for him coming over! I am sure they are working on a plan as we speak to get him cheaply!

 

[Silvagnis]

they are going nowhere fast dude. They are hanging their hopes on the Waites, O'helpless, Acklands and shit-nalls, Thorntons of thiw world and now have bryce gibbs and mark murphy to feed those guns the ball.. etc....get the drift? Kouta goes....and they are shitfull in the big man dept.)

And where are Richmond headed with their young list and mature players such as Bowden, Richo, Simmonds and Brown?

We managed to pants Port without Fevola dominating and we're still better placed for youth than the Tigers. It was after all our young players who got us back into the game against Richmond and over-ran you.

 

[CoggaRules]

And where are Richmond headed with their young list and mature players such as Bowden, Richo, Simmonds and Brown?

We managed to pants Porat without Fevola dominating and we're still better placed for youth than the Tigers. It was after all our young plyers who got us back into the game against Richmond and over-ran you.

dude...who is your FB, CHB, Ruckman and CHF? when you figure that one out, you might understand where you are placed for youngsters.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

dude...who is your FB, CHB, Ruckman and CHF? when you figure that one out, you might understand where you are placed for youngsters.

Brett Thornton - FB
Adam Hartlett/Mark Austin - CHB
Sean Hampson - Ruck
Josh Kennedy - CHF.

Thats probably our future set-up.

 

[polakthetiger]

Brett Thornton - FB
Adam Hartlett/Mark Austin - CHB
Sean Hampson - Ruck
Josh Kennedy - CHF.

Thats probably our future set-up.

Took your time getting over here C4...you must have been trembling typing that last name in there!!

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Took your time getting over here C4...you must have been trembling typing that last name in there!!

Im not going to get into any "Josh Kennedy is a dud" arguments.

Its stupid to write off a 19 year old 196 cm KP Forward, so early into his career.

Just leave it at that.

 

[deliberate!!]

And where are Richmond headed with their young list and mature players such as Bowden, Richo, Simmonds and Brown?

We managed to pants Port without Fevola dominating and we're still better placed for youth than the Tigers. It was after all our young players who got us back into the game against Richmond and over-ran you.

Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Foley dumps on Murphy, Foley dumps on Gibbs....
Do dah, do dah,....