Fight for Positions 2008

[The_Young_Gun]

Why is Dyson not in any of these lists I dont care if he is just in "THE REST" he is still an Essendon Listed player FFS!

And FWIW, I think Dempsey will get a spot ahead of Jetta.

You know, its not the end of the world if someone forgets 1 of our players from our 44 person list.

 

[Merv]

You know, its not the end of the world if someone forgets 1 of our players from our 44 person list.

It is if you are donsman4eva and it's Dyson that was forgotten

 

[Amazing Bombers]

Couldn't disagree more.

He is a walk up start and would be one of the first picked every week.

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Not one of those players is anywhere near good enough, yet, to put any pressure on Winderlichs spot if that's what you were suggesting and apart from Dempsey would always play a different role anyway.

Totally agree with everything your saying. Based on his recent form, Winderlich is the way to go.

 

[Burzum]

I don't get how Slattery is a certain starter but Winders isn't.

 

[monty1104]

You know, its not the end of the world if someone forgets 1 of our players from our 44 person list.

Actually, it is a shorter list ATM, given the delistings havent been replaced. Also it was more than 1 person, Dyson wasnt on the original list either. And given that he was one of the most talked about players of the season, you'd think people would remember him.

 

[bomba4eva]

one of the things i'm most looking forward to next year is the fight for positions. With many of the younger players expected to come through next year, the pressure is on many of the established players.

I've listed players on our senior list into 'one' of the catagories in no particular order. Obviously they will play in various positions over the course of the year but it's bloody hard to say what our best team will be

This obviously doesn't include our picks from the national and pre-season drafts.

Fwds:

Lloyd
Lucas
Gumby
Johns
Jetta
Davey
Reimers
Longergan
Neagle


Mids:

Watson
Lovett
Stanton
McVeigh
Houli
Hill
Laycock
Winderlich
Hocking
Rama
Monfries
Dempsey
Johnson
Pev

Backs:

Michael
Fletcher
McPhee
Lee
Hislop
NLM
Welsh
Nash
Ryder
Slattery


Obviously many of the mid's could fall into other catagories however mid is there primary position atm.

With the exceptions of probably Lee and Lonergan, I would think that every player on the list is a realistic chance to be part of our best side next year.

IMO the only walk up starts are Lucas, Fletcher, Lloyd, McVeigh, Ryder, Stanton and maybe Michael. I think both rucks will need to show they are fit and ready and neither are a certaintly to play though both probably will and one definately will.

Thoughts?

I think Gumbleton and Jetta will become walk up starts as we need them to develop and we spent quality picks on them and would be hoping that they come through. I also highly rate Winderlich and expect him to consolidate with another strong year in 08 and cementing him in our side. Either way, exciting unknown times approaching Bomberland

 

[Slattery_20]

Wow, you've just completely gone off on the most bizar tangent.

Just trying to make a point here as to how competitive it will be for a game next year and that there's very few players guaranteed of a spot - Which hasn't been the case for many years.


You've shown your ignorance and stupidity by putting up arguements such as Johns, Lee and Lonergan should get a game before Neagle Reimers etc simply because they're a year or two older.... Glad you're not picking the side.

So you'd pick an 18 yo with 1 game's experience ahead of Johns? Despite Johns already being singled out to play games next year, by Knights? Despite Lee having shown more AFL form than Neagle? (might be a bit hard to remember 2 years ago...). I just cannot understand your logic on either point, unless I assume that you've got the memory of a goldfish

Potential's all fine, well and good, but mature bodies are what's needed

My only point is that Dempsey, Jetta, Houli, Hislop, Reimers, Neagle baring injuries are well positioned to take huge steps next year which is going to put pressure on some of the half established players. Given that we've had a poor midfield for many years, It's difficult to know why this is so hard to understand.

No, I tend to disagree. You said that Winderlich wasn't a standout. He is. Easily in our 3 most important midfielders. Stanton, Watson, Winderlich. UNNERSTAN? & Please don't throw names around, I know longer words than you and will not hesitate to use them

I replied to 2 different posts, with 2 different posts. It's not that bizarre. If you look at it closely, I've replied about Winderlich; and replied about your other post, SEPARATELY. Not very confusing
I still maintain that the only guys who are worthwhile as selection pressure, are those ready for AFL football. It's only rare that young guys can play AFL without a few pre-seasons to bulk up & get their fitness up to scratch. This year we saw very promising form from Houli, Jetta, Hislop, Gumbie - but guess what? They couldn't maintain it. Which proves my point - you shouldn't really be relying on 18/19 yos for senior game time

& the other point was that we've got a few guys on our list at 21/22 - who's careers look like stagnating. Rather give them a run early, find out if they have any part in the new coach's plans & can find some form. Should be physically up to scratch to play seniors, now it's time to find out the ability side of things.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

IMO Winderlich is more important than Stanton to our side at the moment. He is one of the few who runs hard the whole game. He gives the side a lot mrroe pace than Lovett, Davey etc as he can put in the repeat efforts. Plus, he is one of our better kicks. He would definitely be an automatic starter for our team.

We quite clearly have 3 best midfielders, they are Stanton, Watson and Winderlich. I'd struggle to name 3 other players who even play consistently in our midfield, and certainly noone who is of the importance of these three. McVeigh is not a midfielder, Nash plays off the backline, who else would compete with these three? Pevrill? Johnson? Dyson?

I can't see anyway Winderlich could miss a game other than injury if he maintains form or gets better as expected. None of the players you mentioned could possibly improve enough to force him out of the team, and even if they demand a midfield spot Winderlich could play running off the half back line.

Mcveigh was not a midfielder, after being played there he showed class and leadership which we are lacking in the midfield after the departure of Sir James, and i would hate to see him going back to be wasted in a pocket.

Couldn't agree more with your statements about Winderlich one of the best improvers in the competition last year and provided some badly needed run when played as a defensive midfielder.

 

[TheDon35]

So you'd pick an 18 yo with 1 game's experience ahead of Johns? Despite Johns already being singled out to play games next year, by Knights? Despite Lee having shown more AFL form than Neagle? (might be a bit hard to remember 2 years ago...). I just cannot understand your logic on either point, unless I assume that you've got the memory of a goldfish

Potential's all fine, well and good, but mature bodies are what's needed

If the 18 yo deserved a game of course i'd select him. No Lee shouldn't get a game simply because he played a handful of games 2 years ago and has shown very little since. Rediculouse arguements.

Johns probably will play before Neagle. All i'm saying is that there's pressure on and John's definately doesn't pick himself yet. Knights has also stated that all players are going to need to earn there position which backs up what i'm saying.


No, I tend to disagree. You said that Winderlich wasn't a standout. He is. Easily in our 3 most important midfielders. Stanton, Watson, Winderlich. UNNERSTAN? & Please don't throw names around, I know longer words than you and will not hesitate to use them

TOSSER!!!!!!!!!!! If you're going to use big words like 'understand' in the same sentance as trying to gloat about your vocabulary, at least learn how to spell them

I replied to 2 different posts, with 2 different posts. It's not that bizarre. If you look at it closely, I've replied about Winderlich; and replied about your other post, SEPARATELY. Not very confusing
I still maintain that the only guys who are worthwhile as selection pressure, are those ready for AFL football. It's only rare that young guys can play AFL without a few pre-seasons to bulk up & get their fitness up to scratch. This year we saw very promising form from Houli, Jetta, Hislop, Gumbie - but guess what? They couldn't maintain it. Which proves my point - you shouldn't really be relying on 18/19 yos for senior game time

No point proven there. Houli should have been playing seniors in the last few weeks of the year. Jetta and Hislop were injuired, Gumbleton was playing. By your logic, no youngsters, regardless of how good they are should get a game until they're 20.... That's insane.

& the other point was that we've got a few guys on our list at 21/22 - who's careers look like stagnating. Rather give them a run early, find out if they have any part in the new coach's plans & can find some form. Should be physically up to scratch to play seniors, now it's time to find out the ability side of things.

Remembering that very few other teams in the competition have a worse, best 3 midfielders. Based on that point, none of these guys should feel safe and there needs to be pressure coming from other players which is my point - and there will be.

Again a player doesn't pick themselves just because there career has stagnated and they are 21 / 22. That is stupidity working in overdrive.

 

[tristo]

I don't get how Slattery is a certain starter but Winders isn't.

2 different types of players. As mentioned in previous post I highly considered Winders, but just didnt quite get across the line.

 

[tristo]

Updated List

Certain Starters
Lloyd
Lucas
Davey
McVeigh
Lovett
Watson
Monfries
Fletcher
McPhee
Ryder
Laycock

More Then Likely
Winderlich
Hille
Lovett-Murray
Welsh
Michael
Stanton
Slattery

Likely Starters
Gumbleton
Jetta
Ramanauskas
Nash
Dempsey
Johnson
Peverill

The Rest
Johns
Reimers
Longergan
Neagle
Houli
Hocking
Lee
Hislop
Dyson

 

[Slattery_20]

Remembering that very few other teams in the competition have a worse, best 3 midfielders. Based on that point, none of these guys should feel safe and there needs to be pressure coming from other players which is my point - and there will be.

Again a player doesn't pick themselves just because there career has stagnated and they are 21 / 22. That is stupidity working in overdrive.

You're looking at it in isolation
& What you're saying makes sense if you're only looking at putting a best 22 on the park
But Knights will come in, and want to try things out, find out the depth of the list, find out if some guys can play or not
At least at the start of the year. I would not be surprised to see some utterly baffling selections up until round 10. You're also making a blind assumption about Knights' rating of players...

& I'll re-iterate: Lee & CJ have both played more and better AFL football than Neagle. Surely you select the older, more mature guys with more form behind them?

 

[SM10]

Updated List

Certain Starters
Monfries

More Then Likely
Stanton

Dont think so champ

 

[SOT4]

Mcveigh was not a midfielder, after being played there he showed class and leadership which we are lacking in the midfield after the departure of Sir James, and i would hate to see him going back to be wasted in a pocket.

I agree. I would love it if McVeigh became a permanent part of our midfield brigade, but this year he played his best footy as a forward. I think he'll play a bit in the middle next year, but my point was that you can't class him as one of our midfielders at the moment.

 

[SM10]

I agree. I would love it if McVeigh became a permanent part of our midfield brigade, but this year he played his best footy as a forward. I think he'll play a bit in the middle next year, but my point was that you can't class him as one of our midfielders at the moment.

Didn't Knights say he will play McVeigh as a permanent midfielder??