Fights

[BigBadCam]

You are an absolute ****ing imbecile and you epitomise everything that is wrong with our society.

It is way too easy to die in a fight. As I stated earlier in this thread I saw a guy 2 metres away from me cop 1 punch to the head and bang, he isn't alive anymore.

I honestly cannot believe the way you think.

Do you live in Geelong? Do us all a favour and stay there.

If someone hits me, I will hit them back and I have every right to do so. I'm not a representation of everything that is wrong with our society - I am a large male who is not going to let people walk all over me. As I said, I don't initiate violence, but I'm not afraid to respond to violence with violence, as I have every legal right to do.

 

[J_Moore]

That legal right would really be put to the test if you were to injure or kill a bloke, dude.

Plenty of people go up on assault/manslaughter charges for 'finishing' fights they didn't start.

 

[BigBadCam]

That legal right would really be put to the test if you were to injure or kill a bloke, dude.

Plenty of people go up on assault/manslaughter charges for 'finishing' fights they didn't start.

I'd stand by my legal right to hit a guy. If he punches me, I'll respond with reasonable force. They could put it to the test, but I've always got the right to reasonable self defence. The day a man doesn't even have the right to defend himself will be the day I umm... wont be very happy.

 

[J_Moore]

Hey, I'm not saying I necessarily think someone doesn't have the moral right to defend themselves, but legally it can be a different question.

 

[BigBadCam]

Hey, I'm not saying I necessarily think someone doesn't have the moral right to defend themselves, but legally it can be a different question.

Reasonable self defence means that I can punch someone back. If they hit me with a bat, I'll take the bat off them and hit them back. If I get stabbed, I'll pull the blade out and stab them back. If someone punches me though I'm not allowed to shoot them. That would be responding with unreasonable force.

 

[Tex_21]

I would think BBC that regardless of the course of action you take, if someone falls down, hits their head, and dies. Your self defense would not save you from conviction.

 

[Virgil]

Put it this way. It takes two to fight

Unfortunately, this really isn't the case.

Reasonable self defence means that I can punch someone back. If they hit me with a bat, I'll take the bat off them and hit them back. If I get stabbed, I'll pull the blade out and stab them back. If someone punches me though I'm not allowed to shoot them. That would be responding with unreasonable force.

I understand what you're saying about reasonable force, but I think if you were to disarm someone then using a weapon against them is no longer legally considered 'reasonable'.

 

[BigBadCam]

I would think BBC that regardless of the course of action you take, if someone falls down, hits their head, and dies. Your self defense would not save you from conviction.

I'm pretty sure the one punch law only exists in Western Australia, and I'm not even sure if that would apply to a situation where somebody is defending themselves. I don't think they'd completely take away somebody's right to self defence.

Unfortunately, this really isn't the case.
I understand what you're saying about reasonable force, but I think if you were to disarm someone then using a weapon against them is no longer legally considered 'reasonable'.

Obviously if I've disarmed someone before they've actually stabbed me I don't have the right to attack them, but if they stab me and in an ensuing altercation I stab them back, that'd be stiff shit to them. I have the right to respond to violence with reasonable force.

 

[Power King]

I mean if some guy has physically started to attack you then you have every right to defend yourself.

But if some bloke is cursing at you, or does something in the example at flemington at the bottom of the last page, then starting a fight is just merely idiotic.

My view is, avoid a fight at absolutely all costs, unless you've already been physically started on and you need to defend yourself.

 

[redragger]

From my experience f-wit bouncers contribute to a lot of fights. How many times do you see these roidfreaks prance around acting tough just because they've got a number on their shirts? Me and a mate walked past The Lounge (Swanston St) one time at roughly 2am to find 3 bouncers kicking the living christ out of a bloke up against a wall. All the while 2 more bouncers were 'on guard' ready to stop anyone who tried to intervene. Me and mate walked up and said something like "c'mon man what the f... do you think you're doing?" Only to be told "if you don't f... off you'll be down there with him." We waited around 'til said roidfreaks stopped to see the most bloodied man I have ever seen. He got up and walked away only to collapse 100m down the street. Of course the bouncers proclaim innocence as they're 'only doing their job'. These oxygen thiefs shit me to absolute tears...

 

[J-Train]

Put it this way. It takes two to fight, but I'm not about to let some ******** push me around or treat me like shit, and although I will wait until I have the right to self defence before I react (to cover my arse) I'm not going to try and avoid a fight at all costs. I'm not going to be a little bitch and let people walk all over me just because I'm scared of a small risk that comes with a hit to the head.

I play football every weekend during Winter and hits to the head are part and parcel of being a good in and under player - boxing is a big part of my preseason training regime. Therefore, if someone really, really wants to go, I'll give it to them. I know some people who are that frightened of getting hit in the face or head they almost wet themselves if there's a slight risk of violence when they're out. I say, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen... If you can't handle the possibility of a bit of violence, stay at home and lock the door.

Good on you hero.

Wowee, this thread really sorts out who the loose cannons are around here.

The problem for you is, one day you are going to come up against someone who is a little bit bigger, a little bit faster and a little bit stronger than you.... and you'll cop a flogging. When you wake up and the doc asks you if you can wiggle your toes for him, and you can't, remember this thread and remind yourself what a tool you've been to think violence was the answer.

 

[BigBadCam]

Good on you hero.

Wowee, this thread really sorts out who the loose cannons are around here.

The problem for you is, one day you are going to come up against someone who is a little bit bigger, a little bit faster and a little bit stronger than you.... and you'll cop a flogging. When you wake up and the doc asks you if you can wiggle your toes for him, and you can't, remember this thread and remind yourself what a tool you've been to think violence was the answer.

As I said wimp, I don't start fights, but I always have the right to self defence. I have lost my fair share and lived to tell the tale. If you're happy to have people punch you and do nothing about it because you're scared then so be it. There's a risk of this sort of thing happening when you drink in town, but there's a risk I could become a vegetable as I drive to work also. I'm not about to let people like this, or the fact that cars are so dangerous prevent me from doing what I want or going where I want to go. If you're that scared, as I suggested above, maybe you should just stay home and lock your door.

and remind yourself what a tool you've been to think violence was the answer.

Maybe I'll write them a letter expressing my disgust at their behaviour. lol

 

[lemmon]

Big Bad Cam =

Mystery solved

 

[J-Train]

As I said wimp, I don't start fights, but I always have the right to self defence. I have lost my fair share and lived to tell the tale. If you're happy to have people punch you and do nothing about it because you're scared then so be it. There's a risk of this sort of thing happening when you drink in town, but there's a risk I could become a vegetable as I drive to work also. I'm not about to let people like this, or the fact that cars are so dangerous prevent me from doing what I want or going where I want to go. If you're that scared, as I suggested above, maybe you should just stay home and lock your door.


Maybe I'll write them a letter expressing my disgust at their behaviour. lol

lol. The fact that you need to throw in pathetic taunts about being a wimp or being scared because i don't fight, all the while trying to justify your blockhead behaviour, is just further proof that you haven't evolved from the rock-ape stage yet.

"Duh, I don't start fights, I finish dem. Duh."

Loser of the highest order. People like you get punchy because you don't have the brains to work things out in a civilized manner. It's much easier to throw your fists around than it is to string a sentence together isn't it BBC?

I'll give you a hand with your letter if you need a scribe- should I leave out the grunts and put your hero statements in bold for effect?

 

[BigBadCam]

Big Bad Cam =

Mystery solved

Lol. you think that just because I'm stating that I have the right to self defence? Tell me what laws I am breaking when I defend myself with reasonable force? It's not like I go pushing people around and hitting people for no reason. Why should I run away?

 

[BigBadCam]

lol. The fact that you need to throw in pathetic taunts about being a wimp or being scared because i don't fight, all the while trying to justify your blockhead behaviour, is just further proof that you haven't evolved from the rock-ape stage yet.

"Duh, I don't start fights, I finish dem. Duh."

Loser of the highest order. People like you get punchy because you don't have the brains to work things out in a civilized manner. It's much easier to throw your fists around than it is to string a sentence together isn't it BBC?

I'll give you a hand with your letter if you need a scribe- should I leave out the grunts and put your hero statements in bold for effect?

Ha, you don't know me. You don't know my education level. The fact that I know that in that situation I have the right to reasonable self defence should tell you something. I get 'punchy' because someone has hit me first. At the end of the day, people who punch you in the head are threatening your life, which is arguably your most valuable possession. Why should I sit down and let them do this without responding? As I said to the other guy, you tell me what law I'm breaking.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Good on you hero.

Wowee, this thread really sorts out who the loose cannons are around here.

The problem for you is, one day you are going to come up against someone who is a little bit bigger, a little bit faster and a little bit stronger than you.... and you'll cop a flogging. When you wake up and the doc asks you if you can wiggle your toes for him, and you can't, remember this thread and remind yourself what a tool you've been to think violence was the answer.

wow, he didn't really say that he would defend himself, did he?

I share your outrage...what an animal. I for one feel unsafe that such a man is walking our streets.

 

[Power King]

Personally, I'd rather be respected for preventing a fight than winning one.

 

[BigBadCam]

Personally, I'd rather be respected for preventing a fight than winning one.

Sometimes it hurts the instigators more to take a punch on the chin and laugh at them, but if I'm having a bad day and someone punches me in the face, I'm going to hit them back and enjoy it. As I said before, I'm not breaking any laws in doing so. I always have the right to self defence.

 

[J-Train]

wow, he didn't really say that he would defend himself, did he?

I share your outrage...what an animal. I for one feel unsafe that such a man is walking our streets.

lol. Maybe you and BBC should go at it since you are the punchy brothers.

I'll be there to offer support in your recovery and promise I'll cheer for you in the 2018 paraolympics should things go pear shaped as can happen, when you lose control from the situation.

Remember, the more disabled you get, the less competitors you'll be up against for the medals. Go for it fellas, punch some sense into each other.

 

[BigBadCam]

lol. Maybe you and BBC should go at it since you are the punchy brothers.

I'll be there to offer support in your recovery and promise I'll cheer for you in the 2018 paraolympics should things go pear shaped as can happen, when you lose control from the situation.

Remember, the more disabled you get, the less competitors you'll be up against for the medals. Go for it fellas, punch some sense into each other.

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[Wally Carter]

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[J-Train]

haha... don't worry about me BBC, i'm about as sociable as they come - get out and about for beers and generally have a great time... I just don't punch on and I don't want others to punch on either if it can be helped. Not that I expect you to get it, but the reason I don't like to fight is because I got knocked out cold by an Aboriginal bloke in Adelaide when i was 21. As a result I woke up in an ambulance with a broken nose and had to get about 4 thousand dollars worth of dental done in the following month. That was 10 years ago. My only crime was i did not have a cigarette for him.

Yet, i still think i was lucky in a way because others who get hit like that don't wake up at all and their family never recover from it. Do you seriously want to hit someone (and enjoy it as you say) and then realise later on that he is not going to get up and you might have ended him? Other posters have said they have seen guys get knocked out, bang their heads on the ground and die. What do you actually get out of that, apart from a jail sentence. No one is indestructable and if you punch on with everyone who challenges you then eventually you'll come up against someone who is better than you...or someone that is just plain dirty. On the Gold Coast this year there has been so many glassings it is crazy. Dudes and chicks getting schooners pushed into their faces for minor altercations. One day you might punch on with someone...one on one...fairly, and win your stoush. Then 5 minutes later a dirty mate of your opponent comes in from the side and busts a glass in your face. Sometimes the smarter thing to do is to give the punch on a miss because its not always a stand up one on one fight like you seem to be endorsing.

 

[Damon_3388]

I say, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen... If you can't handle the possibility of a bit of violence, stay at home and lock the door.

I'd like to think it's safe enough to go out without thinking there's any possibility of violence, especially if I'm just minding my own business and not causing any problems.

I've never come across any of these 'f-wit' bouncers in my time either. Bouncers in Adelaide are usually pretty friendly, and don't mind a bit of a chat and a laugh a lot of the time (as long as you're not being annoying or getting in the way of them doing their job), and they aren't usually the 'roid freaks' or even the bikie types that you hear so much about in the media either. They only get involved in stuff to break it up as well (and are usually pretty vigilant with that too), and never instigate stuff themselves from my experience. And that's how the security should opperate - they're there to keep things safe and diffuse conflict, not cause it themselves.

It's the idiots that go out with the intent to cause trouble, or are simply too touchy when they get drunk that are the main problem IMO. I had a drunk guy (who is a friend of a friend) say to me on Saturday night "How would you go about starting a fight in this place?". The place where we were is generally a no-trouble venue with a friendly crowd, and there is never any reason to start a fight with anyone in there. I just gave the guy a confused look and said "Why the hell would you want to start a fight in here? Just enjoy your night mate." I'm bigger than most people I see around (195cm, 108kg), but I never try and start anything, and never intend to. I get bumped into all the time (especially if you're in a crowded venue or on a crowded dancefloor), but I don't take offense to it. A lot of the time, I apologise or nod to someone, just to make sure there's no issue, because I see that as a common courtesy. I have no idea why anyone would want to cause fights over minor stuff like getting slightly bumped in a crowd, or someone looking at them, or when there's no real problem at all. Then again, I don't drink, so that could be a factor in why I don't ark up at the slightest thing. But still, IMO it's not manly or macho or tough to start fights, it's just stupid and unneccesary, and the quicker a lot of guys realise that, the better.

 

[J-Train]

I'd like to think it's safe enough to go out without thinking there's any possibility of violence, especially if I'm just minding my own business and not causing any problems.

It's the idiots that go out with the intent to cause trouble, or are simply too touchy when they get drunk that are the problem. I had a drunk guy (who is a friend of a friend) say to me on Saturday night "How would you go about starting a fight in this place?". The place where we were is generally a no-trouble venue with a friendly crowd, and there is never any reason to start a fight with anyone in there. I just gave the guy a confused look and said "Why the hell would you want to start a fight in
here? Just enjoy your night mate." I'm bigger than most people I see around (195cm, 108kg), but I never try and start anything, and never intend to. I even apologise to anyone I even slightly bump into, just because I see that as common courtesy. I have no idea why anyone would want to cause fights over minor stuff like getting slightly bumped in a crowd, or someone looking at them, or when there's no real problem at all. It's not manly or macho or tough, it's just stupid and unneccesary, and the quicker guys realise that, the better.

Finally! Someone who gets it!